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This is an interesting concept. If only they would allow the architectural community to give their design capability to the porject. Perhaps a series of innovative even technologically challenging housing schemes for these sites. I am positive that a more creative solution to the hosuing problem can be developed. If these sites are just going to be more of the same semi-d and maisonette schemes that dominate then there is no leadeship. Just imagine the largest open architectural housing competition with real commissions and a contribution towards the future of Irish design and environment.
The range of entries seemed very unrepresentative of the larger architectural community with many well established firms not even making a submission.
On a related matter, Dave Fanning (DJ) was asked in an interview today what song reminded him of his school days and he replied Spice Girls “Wannabe”. Could say the same about the exhibition.
Anyone seeing this from outside of Ireland will have a very skewed view of what is happening on the ground.
Walking in the district yesterday I couldn’t help but notice that the “stainless steel” is rapidly becoming a dull grey, even more rapidly than I imagined. The colour is darker than a rain sodden cloud. I seem to remember talk about reflecting the sky and envrionmental conditions. The sky was bright blue and the pole is becoming even darker than the lamposts it starting to resemble. I realise that there will be immediatly comments about how wonderful it is from Ringsend, form Ranelagh, from south side. But half of Dublin faces it from the north, and it remains in constant shadow. I suspect that uv radiation hitting the southern aspect will be vastly different from the northern side. This will result in a assymetrical tonal shift from south to north or vice versa.
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It is normal for the AJ to publish rates for the buildings that are published in that journal, including the subcontracts, insurances etc. The final database provides a comparable case by case basis for buildings, executed by all sorts of different architects. A similar exercise would be most useful. I for one would like to know how much each of the buildings in Temple Bar cost, even if on a per sq metre basis.
Why was this pattern not included for the overall spike. This approach of using an “interference” pattern removes the ovious inconsistencies of material and joints over large distances. Also what and earth does it represent?
“the way all of the plant grows is same called golden spiral”
It is this I suggested be proved. Not the whole thing. I have read a number of explanations on the growth of plants and the logic or stuructures that may exist. Not all plant growth is the same and even then growth is just that, growth, continuous development. There appears certainly a family of forms or shapes that have some correspondance but the relationships have not been fully formulated. Recent work on self similarity in systems may provide some suitable ground to begin to talk about mimetic structures.
Perhaps the scales of illusion that obscure the architectural media may fall and the reality of these works can be seen as undisciplined and poorly executed novelties. Like much of the post modern work, the joke, the idea, in particular, non architectural ideas is only good on the first or second reading. After that, so what, it becomes a boring repetition of shallow thoughts. Just because it looks like a duck dosen’t mean it is a duck. There are enough emperors without clothes in Ireland, what do we need another one for, to paraphrase Elvis Costello. The world embraced a shallow interpretation of modernisim in the Internaitonal Style, which gave rise to wholly inapproprate exerises in cultural colonialism. We are repeating these mistakes.
This the same vision that was once proposed for a shopping centre entrance, or so I have heard? Anyway since the height of this structure was going to have aviaiton issues surely this should be part of the design development, or do designers live in a cocoon of suspended responsibility?
Spire…
The noun “spire” has 1 sense in WordNet
steeple, spire — (a tall tower that forms the superstructure of a building (usually a church or temple) and that tapers to a point at the topCambridge on line dictionary
spire
noun [C]
a tall pointed structure on top of a building, esp. a church towerWordsmyth
a tall, narrow, cone-shaped roof or upward projection on a building or outer wall; steeple; pinnacle.bootlegbooks.com
Spire
(Spire), n. [OE. spire, spir, a blade of grass, a young shoot, AS. spir; akin to G. spier a blade of grass, Dan. spire a sprout, sprig, Sw. spira a spar, Icel. spira.]1. A slender stalk or blade in vegetation; as, a spire grass or of wheat.
An oak cometh up a little spire.
Chaucer.2. A tapering body that shoots up or out to a point in a conical or pyramidal form. Specifically (Arch.), the roof of a tower when of a pyramidal form and high in proportion to its width; also, the pyramidal or aspiring termination of a tower which can not be said to have a roof, such as that of Strasburg cathedral; the tapering part of a steeple, or the steeple itself. “With glistering spires and pinnacles adorned.” Milton.
A spire of land that stand apart,
Cleft from the main.
Tennyson.Tall spire from which the sound of cheerful bells
Just undulates upon the listening ear.
Cowper.3. (Mining) A tube or fuse for communicating fire to the chargen in blasting.
4. The top, or uppermost point, of anything; the summit.
The spire and top of praises.
Shak.Spire
(Spire), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Spired ; p. pr. & vb. n. Spiring.] To shoot forth, or up in, or as if in, a spire. Emerson.It is not so apt to spire up as the other sorts, being more inclined to branch into arms.
Mortimer.Spire
(Spire), n. [L. spira coil, twist; akin to Gr. : cf. F. spire.]1. A spiral; a curl; a whorl; a twist. Dryden.
2. (Geom.) The part of a spiral generated in one revolution of the straight line about the pole. See Spiral, n.
Spire bearer. (Paleon.) Same as Spirifer.
Spired
(Spired) a. Having a spire; being in the form of a spire; as, a spired steeple. Mason.Having originated from minerets, via the crusades to identify churches it is wholly inappropriate for this ediface.
Ok, lets see what this means. 500 entries, thats €50,000 in fees, assume another €100 per entry for just mounting, post production etc., thats another €50,000. Assume an average of €50 per entry for carriage (post etc. some arrived by hand), that’s another €25,000. If each entrant spent an average of 100 hours on the project, assume an average, really low (due to the possibility of students, unpaid work, uncharged work by offices etc) of €20 an hour, that’s another €1,000,000. Is a picture emerging yet. The DDDA are offering a single prize, it seems of €12,000 which in light of above a ridiculous reward for the investment above. Assume that 20% of the entries ustilised speicalist 3d cad services and other production systems at a cost of about €1,000 per entry, then we would have another €100,000 making a grand total of €1,225,000 (€1.225 million). At the very least the DDDA should invest in prublising the results in a book and CD format. Even if the cost of this is €10,000, they would still have a profit of €28,000 (not counting expenses), not to mention the sheer level of publicity surrounding the competition. Mind you it shows the level of frustration out there and the demand for more access to the market…. Hope this makes sense. Maybe I should run my own competition, the free design services garnered are remarkable.
Perhaps Paul can persuade the DDDA to publish a website of all the entries. And if the results of the competition indicated a difficulty of meeting the planning requirements maybe they could select 20 to 30 competitors (from the initial selection) to rework schemes based on relaxed conditions and the ideas involved in the first submission. I would be interested in seeing the design published in the times and how it meets or does not meet the requirements of the brief, as per the recent respondant to this forum has indicated.
This news does not fill me with hope for a disciplined and level playing field in respect of comeptitions in ireland. Since the copy for the Times would have to logged before Thursday to allow for printing and distribution could mean that the process had already been skewed before the entries were recived on Friday. Also since the technical requirements of the brief were quite strict, perhaps over restrictive does this mean that they were used to justify restricting the opportunites so that others might transcend these requirements. I can see the jurors report “many of the entries failed to grasp the specific qualities of the locaiton we have decided to award the prize to Mr Starchitect because of his/her audacity to ignore the requirements to present a statement of unsurpassed genius”.
Neither sword nor spire the ongoing problem with nomenclature is worrying. Even now the idea that this is a monument does injsutice to monuments everywhere. I particularly like the german for Monument, “Denkmal”, which contains the roots of Denken and Mal, thinking (or memory) and Times. Monuments are a repository of memory and as such carry with them some echo of that which the memorialise. If this “thing” crries memory, then that memory is a very poor thing, hollow and shallow. To ascribe the word monument to this is a weak attempt to raise its profile within what is rapidly becoming a poor critical environment where you have to either love or loath it.
