ihateawake
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sorry to drag it on but i, or anyone else are not saying that high rise will result in a sudden evacuation of the “GDA” into the city centre but it will stop its growth if there is a continued trend of building high. im not suggesting 30 story towers everywhere in dublin, mabey half that, just to assure reasonable density with the occasional large scale building for “landmark” purposes. anything below 12 stories in the city is a disaster with our current problem. there is definetly a connection between height and sprawl, like devins economist said – “the preceding decade (1990s) was very important to have gotten the development of the city right. But we didn’t – we just kept on doing the same thing; building low-density, car-oriented semi-d housing estates.” had our plan been “higher” and more closley knit than there would not be the low density mess there is now, not 90story high towers, but at least something with double figures. tightly fit 4 or 5 story buildings would have not provided much more releif, certainly not of the scale called for.
if a highrise scheme were to go ahead in the docklands, do you not think that people would find this new modern area an attractive living place(as opposed to living above a shop) thus cancelling out the need for sattelite towns round the city??? high rise can hold alot of people even if the footprint is small, more than a wide 3 story regardless of footprint, that space relative to the hight is far less as you are getting the floorspace of the footprint 20 times over(otherwise there would be no need for them, right?) – if manhatten were to convert fully to low rise there would be alot of people displaced overnight
not being snotty, you can say what u like, i could be wrong 😀
i hate this claim that everyone who wants high rise wants new york, the fact is it WOULD solve alot of problems – economy damaging problems. urban sprwal as linda and other thread say is a very bad thing and is destroying our countryside, congestion is slowing the city considerably and communting times of two hours is something no one should have to live with. i think a jouney to cork is a big deal 🙂 and thats two hours, so what can you do with two hours? u can travel halfway acros the country to another city or you can go to work in dublin. footprints on high rise buidlings are smaler but once a certain height is reached higher density than a low rise building can be acheived to an almost limitless exetent, low rise building can be wide, but their width is limited. dublin will keep growing and once low rise buidlings have spread over every inch of grass in the city we will be left in the same sprawling mess as we are in now. i am not willing to accept high rise at any cost, as the others arguing the same point are not. we want good architecture and nothing less but high does not mean ugly. the best possible step dublin can take now is designate an area for a large high rise cluster and serve it well with public transport… this kind of thing would allow countess more to live in-city and bring an end to problems mentioned
hmm, didnt check this for a while… i never meant to say that dublin is not “21st century” just its planning towards high rise, high rise which is definetly needed. sprawl is very problematic and is eating up country round dublin. i am not adamant about high rise because i say wow when looking at new york or the like but becase this would solve so many problems in dublin, it would be great for public transport and solve congestion, communting times and deal with that nasty endless sprawl of ugly housing estates. i like the low rise skyline of dublin and the ocasional high rise cluster would only complement it if designed well, this dosnt mean i want a “audio metre” skyline, just a more capable inner city. btw, dublin is definetly not the equivalent of a birmingham suburb! birmingham has a population of 991,900 as of last cencus and thats it, dublin with “the greater area” included is over 1.2 million – larger than birmingham
wow, couldnt agree more, there is no good reason for resisting high rise yet there are countless reasons for embracing it. dublin is extremely backward when it comes to building tall, the mentality is crap! ideas like everywhere is the wrong area and one more floor is the destruction of our skyline are really hindering progress, this is a laughable example of a “21st century city”
32 story at heuston isnt called eire tower, its “heuston gate”
eire tower is a fantasy building that never got much attention…. eire tower
how likely is a high rise in this site?yeah, obviously, you seem puzzled? its a really nice building, much nicer than county hall and just 5 metres lower, when i say its the only rival i am speaking in terms of Ireland of course
saw tht picture on a website a while back, although the caption cracked the same joke with dublin in place of limerick. by now the joke has dried up for me, but i dont think its fair seeing as the clarion is most likely the nicest high rise in ireland, rivaled only by georges quay, at least until heuston gate is completed/started. shame about SJR quay 🙁
