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@GrahamH wrote:
OMG that is one conspicuous add. floor. They’ve shoved all the services in that piece above the brise soleil, right?
Searching on it, I see that it got permission in June 2003 – <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=2120/03&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%202120/03. It was about to expire last year so they applied for an extension of time – <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=2120/03&theTabNo=2&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%202120/03/x1 The architects listed in the ext. of time application are Collins Maher Martin Architects, so presumably the original proposal is by them.
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@GrahamH wrote:
Just on the the Dawson Street Starbucks building, there was a recent planning application to replace the upper facade with a bowed glazed facade by Frank Crowley architects. That would be a pity. It’s a decent ’60s type mullion facade and & good piece of streetscape. DCC refused it for breaching the established building line of the upper floors – <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=2508/08&theTabNo=2&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%202508/08 (some images of the proposal in ‘View Documents’) But they haven’t dissaproved the idea of replacing the mullion facade, which is unfortunate.
I think it was the weekend when I passed. Ely and Excise Bar were both closed, and very little was open on Mayor Square. The place was dead. Maybe it’s different during the week. It’s temporary of course, during Luas works..
Speaking of ghost towns, have you seen what a ghost town Mayor Street / IFSC extension has become while Luas is being put in? Most businesses have decided to shut up and it’s gone sooo quiet.
The new building on the famously vacant site on Upper Ormond Quay opposite the Civic Offices is nearing completion. Will be worth a few pictures.
Meanwhile, what about this building on Usher’s Quay below? (Photomontage posted at start of thread – now it’s complete.) Is it a success? Bit of the stacked box thing going on in the central part. The glazing works ok on the north quay. You wouldn’t want it on the south quay. Do the differnt parts of the building sit together ok? It’s Gilroy McMahon architects.
Oral hearing announced for the Carlton. No date set.
There should be one thread for the Carlton really. There’s 10 pages solid of Carlton discussion on the O’Connell Street thread from pages 120 to 129, then a few more bits after that. Should be all cut in here really. Administrator, if you have a chance ……
The similarities with the Four Courts are more thematic than actual. The Gandon building which the HJL architect referred to building near would be the Royal Infirmary behind it.
Am a little uncomfortable with seeing all the glazing, if this building is to be an enduring iconic structure.
The real sucess of the building at the moment is its siting, on the bend from Parkgate Street into Phoenix Park avenue. The large drum articulating a bend in a thoroughfare is an urban design theme going back through time (Four Courts on a bend in the Liffey; Rotunda Round Room on the bend into Parnell Square etc.). Also shows that you can have a very large building if the siting is right.
The six-storey blocks along South Circular Road are quite good – i.e. the 2nd & 3rd pictures above, and maybe some at the end also.
Quite possible in this area. You’d have to go back through the Shaw’s Directories.
@gunter wrote:
It looks like Daly’s Club House have sub-let part of their ground floor to an Indian take-away and they’ve plastered signage all over the stonework of the classical facade!
Where are the Wide Streets Commissioners?
I’m tempted to write a stiffly worded letter to Faulkner’s Gazette 🙂
Extraordinary! If only Linda Cheung had been able to cite this precedent, she might have got permission last year for a Chinese restaurant a few doors away No. 9 College Green – <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3152/08&theTabNo=1&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%203152/08 🙂
Yeah hutton, that just sounds like aimless mouthing off on the internet. What does John Gormley have to do with planning controls for Westmoreland Street? Nothing. Anyway you probably read that these controls controlling shop uses & design for the O’C Street area are to be reviewed because of the persistent problems.
http://www.tribune.ie/property/article/2009/feb/08/oconnell-street-planning-controls-face-review/
Everybody can see that Westmoreland Street is deteriorating out of control. Things that had been ok have to deteriorate just to keep up:
Coleman’s newsagent had been maintaining a respectable Victorian-style frontage ……….. until recently.
The previous signage to the Thai restaurant at the corner with Fleet Street had been working with the historic building.
The new signage is working against it.
One of the last inoffensive uses on the street, a chemist, recently shut up.
And of course thee worst shopfront in Dublin is on Westmoreland Street.
@tommyt wrote:
More photos from c.1980
Great record. An incredible amount was demolished around there at that time. If the guy who took the ‘now’ photos has access to negatives for the 1980 colour photos, it would be worth getting them digitally scanned. I’m presuming the photos on the site are just scans of 4″ x 6″ prints, which were always printed slightly out of focus anyway to conceal dust.
Ok before we start going on expeditions for photos in support of points, this thread needs to stay OT.
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In 2006, Gorta put up what can only be described as an obnoxious shop fascia on their Capel Street building.
It forms the south piece of a rather sophisticated group of unified buildings at Nos. 133-137, all protected structures.
A complaint was duly lodged (yeah yeah, death to the poor). Incredibly, the reply from DCC Planning Enforcement was that “no enforcement action is warranted in relation to this sign as it is similar to others on this street”. I would love to scan and put the reply letter up here to illustrate it in black & white, but planning enforcement documentation is not public unlike planning apps.
And now, in their report to accompany the recent ACA proposal for the street, DCC cite Gorta as a bad example of a Capel Street shopfront! See thumbnail.
Arrgh there really is another thread in this! I would barely consider the Capel Street building to be “redbrick” (now) – that’s why I gave the George’s St. example. The Capel St. one is not strong enough to contrast adversely with the others IMO. And yes you defo do see different colour brick facades in important streetscapes around the city. The north side of Merrion Square is a right mish mash.
@gunter wrote:
he showed two 1850s photographs looking towards O’Connell St. taken from Talbot St.
After the Nelson Pillar time capsule was found during digging for the Spire foundations circa 2001, it was put on display for a period in Collins Barracks. As a backdrop to the display, they had (probably) one of those two 1850s photographs from Talbot/Earl Street blown up really big on a canvas. It looked great. I was surprised at the quality of the photo for how early it was. You could see the brickwork of the building in question clearly, and lack of any window embellishment. Looked very minimal Georgian. Though I can’t remember the roof appearance now.
The owners of the Travel Shop have no shame, leaving it shabby and timewarped in a very prominent location all through the boom & O’C St. public realm improvement.
The Howley Harrington O’C St. Shopfront Design Guidelines also contained some recommendations for the building.
As was mentioned earlier, DCC have finally commissioned a ‘Best Practice’ guide for the listed granite pavements. Tender info here – http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=FEB097108 – and I hear it will shortly be ready. However the Council workers are still doing the cement ridge pointing where they can get away with it. Two examples:
Ormond Market is a laneway off Upper Ormond Quay, so called because it led to an old market (visible on Rocque’s 1756 map, above, with the existing lane marked in red) where Ormond Square now stands. The lane is still paved end-to-end in old granite, presumably left in place because of the historic connection.
Some time ago, a section of paving in the lane was taken up and tarmaced over … for whatever reason … and left like that for about a year. No sign that it would ever be but back. But it was eventually put back recently ….
….. taking care to finish to a high standard and match existing pointing in the laneway.
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There was a nice environmental improvement job done at the bottom of North Great George’s Street last year, possibly under DCC Architect’s Division (?). Tree planting, pavement widening, a shared surface, and integrating the historic granite paving sucessfully, with appropriate pointing in a sand-lime mix (akin to the work done on Capel Street). Not quite David Norris’s gates idea, but some civic improvement anyhow.
DCC’s Roads Maintenance Division decided to do some repair work of their own to North Great George’s Street’s pavements at the same time, consisting of little outbursts of ridge cement pointing in about ten different locations along the street. (Insert sarky comment about DCC inter-department coordination.)
The refusal of the Guineys building has been appealed, lol! – http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/232655.htm
Edit: Actually just noticed on the ABP page that the application was withdrawn .. so the appeal falls too.
