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  • in reply to: Is this the same John Graby? #721248
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    And here he is on youtube from November 05, 2008

    architecturenow.ie speaks with John Graby, Director of the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland. During this interview John Graby discusses the challenges ahead in the Irish economy as well as details on the architect registration programme.

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    in reply to: Is this the same John Graby? #721247
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    So this must also be by the same John Graby?. . Otherwise known as ONQ’s nemesis.;)

    http://www.paddi.net/beta/?func=display_document&document_id=3003

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774259
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    @gunter wrote:

    I was only ever in the freaky vaults of Nicholas of Myra once, and I’ve no particular desire to go again, but I have a dim recollection that Mrs. Leeson and some of the kids are down there, but I don’t recall that Leeson himself was there, I wonder had he fallen out with another PP by the time his time had come, as it were?

    Nicholson Numskull 🙂

    . . . . tell us more

    I’ve done searches for the full article of Nicholson Numskull’s ‘Essay on the Rise and Progress of Architectural Taste in Dublin’ (1832) & apart from the few mentions on the DOIA, & jstor (which I can’t get access to), the other references always lead me back to Brendan’s lectures . .
    So if you do have access to the ‘Nicholson Numskull’ essay Brendan, would you be so good as to post the whole thing in its entirety for us to view.

    Very unusual that someone as successful & accomplished as Patrick Byrne has no visible headstone at his burial site . .He hardly died penniless did he?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774239
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    @gunter wrote:

    I was only ever in the freaky vaults of Nicholas of Myra once, and I’ve no particular desire to go again, but I have a dim recollection that Mrs. Leeson and some of the kids are down there, but I don’t recall that Leeson himself was there, I wonder had he fallen out with another PP by the time his time had come, as it were?

    Nicholson Numskull 🙂

    . . . . tell us more

    I’ve done searches for the full article of Nicholson Numskull’s ‘Essay on the Rise and Progress of Architectural Taste in Dublin’ (1832) & apart from the few mentions on the DOIA, & jstor (which I can’t get access to), the other references always lead me back to Brendan’s lectures . .
    So if you do have access to the ‘Nicholson Numskull’ essay Brendan, would you be so good as to post the whole thing in its entirety for us to view.

    Very unusual that someone as successful & accomplished as Patrick Byrne has no visible headstone at his burial site . .He hardly died penniless did he?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774231
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    @Brendan Grimes wrote:

    All the Gilbert lectures are published by Dublin City Public Libraries. Commodius Temples will be published in January 2011.

    Excellent . .Very much looking forward to reading Commodius Temples Brendan, the best of luck with it & Welcome to the thread.

    @Brendan Grimes wrote:

    I am almost certain that the mortuary chapel you mention was designed by Patrick Byrne, but I have done no work on this. Patrick Byrne was architect to the Dublin Cemeteries Committee so it is likely that some (at least) of the monuments in Goldenbridge & Glasnevin are by him.

    It appears you may be correct with your assertion about Patrick Byrne designing that mortuary chapel in Goldenbridge Cemetery. . Well, again according to the DOIA

    Name: BYRNE, PATRICK
    Building: CO. DUBLIN, DUBLIN, GOLDENBRIDGE, CEMETERY
    Date: 1835p
    Nature: Mortuary chapel (above crypt built in 1835).
    Refs: Information from David Griffin, 2010.

    And that is sort of backed up by this piece on Glasnevin.

    Although the first cemetery was opened on 15 October 1829 in Goldenbridge in Dublin, it was from this movement and in this climate that Prospect Cemetery, Glasnevin was founded in 1832.

    The first architect of the cemetery was Patrick Byrne (1783-1864). Chosen because of his associations with the Catholic Committee and patronised by the Catholic clergy, he later became well known for the design of St. Paul’s Church in Arran Quay, St. Audeon’s in High Street, the Church of the Three Patrons in Rathgar and several other churches in the city environs and surrounding counties. Patrick Byrne designed the layout of the grounds and the enclosing walls with their many watchtowers, a necessary requirement because of the high incidence of body snatching at this period. Cuban bloodhounds patrolled the cemetery as an additional precaution. The original entrance was located in Prospect Square, where Byrne designed the beautiful neoclassical entrance gate, the cemetery office and the Sexton’s residence. He was responsible for the first ecclesiastical building in the grounds, a temple of neoclassical design which he later adapted to become the first mortuary chapel. This building was situated in an area of the cemetery known as the Old Chapel Circle which contains the grave where Patrick Byrne was interred in 1864. James Joseph McCarthy RHA (1817-1882), a follower of Augustus Pugin, designed the present day entrance gates and offices on the Finglas Road and also the Mortuary Chapel.

    Confused :confused: I am. .I wasn’t until that last part where J.J McCarthy is brought into the equation . .However on another page on the same site it explains the confusion.

    The mortuary chapel in Glasnevin Cemetery was designed by James Joseph McCarthy RHA (1817-1882), an admirer and follower of Augustus Pugin. It replaced an earlier chapel built in 1842 which had been designed by the original architect of the cemetery Patrick Byrne (1783-1864).

    The present chapel is Hiberno-Romanesque in style, a symbol of the new Catholic Ireland of the late nineteenth century. The chapel comprises a nave, sanctuary, two transepts and a sacristy. The west porch or main entrance is entered through three arches. The interior walls are of Bath stone, covered by an arched wooden ceiling. The windows are of stained glass executed by Messrs. Clayton and Bell of Regent Street in London. They depict the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension and the Last Judgement. A further three windows depict Jesus raising to life the daughter of Jairus, the widow’s son of Naim and Lazarus. The altar, the work of Mr P. Neal of Great Brunswick Street is made of Caen stone and black marble. The brass communion rails which are supported on elaborate wrought iron panels were made by J. McLoughlin of Cuffe Street. The floor area is covered in Minton’s encaustic tiles. All the fixed carving within the chapel was executed by the well known firm of James Pearse and sons, Great Brunswick Street.

    Both Portland stone and Wicklow granite were used in the exterior walls, which were elaborately carved and moulded with arches, shafts and sculptured heads. A round tower attached to the north side of the nave serves as a belfry. Welsh slates, laid in bands of varied colours cover the roof. The architects J. J. McCarthy and Patrick Byrne are both interred in Glasnevin as is the stonemason James Pearse.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774226
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    @gunter wrote:

    That’s a great story about Leeson, explains why he vanished off the scene. I’ve heard speculation that the little classical mortuary chapel in Goldenbridge Cemetery might have been designed by Leeson, probably just based on the dates, anyone have anything concrete on that?

    John Leeson was indeed a man of ‘poor social skills’ if your to believe his biography on the DOIA
    But no mention of that mortuary chapel in Goldenbridge Cemetery in his few listed works gunter.

    Architect, of Dublin. John Leeson’s origins are unknown; he may possibly have been the son of James Leeson, whose carpenter’s work at Colonel Brown’s cottage, Glenageary, was measured by Bryan Bolger in 1806. As a student at the Dublin Society’s School of Drawing in Architecture, John Leeson won one of the two first-class premiums awarded by the School on 22 July 1813. He was clerk of works at the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin from August 1819 or earlier until 26 June 1822, when building work was halted.He later ‘mapped out the principal lines’ of the church of St Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, begun in 1829. He may be the ‘Mr J. Leeson’ who was GEORGE WILKINSON’s most highly paid assistant in 1843-44 duriing the workhouse building campaign and who left at the end of March 1844, though continuing to to give ‘partial assistance until the completion of the building accounts’.

    Leeson was one of many architects abused by ‘Nicholson Numskull’ in his satirical Essay on the Rise and Progress of Architectural Taste in Dublin (1832):’Without one ray of genius – not a spark, L-s-n comes next – a chapel building clerk; So dull and stupid – could you once suspect This brainless oaf to be an architect. In a footnote ‘Nicholson Numskull’ refers to the rebuilding of the Townsend Street Roman Catholic Chapel. Leeson was the architect originally chosen by the parish priest, Matthias Kelly, to design the new church, but, after building had already begun, Kelly’s successor, Dr Blake, decided to change the site and to give the commission for the church (now known as St Andrew’s, Westland Row) to JAMES BOLGER.

    Leeson probably died in 1855. His name appears in Thom’s directories until 1855 at 25 Clare Street, premises which he shared with a Mrs. Leeson, court milliner and dressmaker. By 1857 only his son, Arthur Edmund Leeson, was living at this address. John Leeson is referred to as ‘the late – Leeson’ in the Dublin entry in the second volume of The Architectural Publication Society’s Dictionary published in 1856.

    A little bit harsh do ya think . . Another ‘misunderstood mad genius’ perhaps?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774222
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    The Architecture of Dublin’s
    Neo-Classical Roman Catholic Temples

    1803-62
    Brendan Grimes 2005.

    Document Type

    Theses, Ph.D

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    Reproduced HERE with the kind permission of the Faculty of History of Art and Design and Complementary Studies, National College of Art and Design, Dublin.
    Abstract

    This thesis examines the architecture of Dublin’s 19th century neo-classical Catholic churches. The period under examination starts in 1803 with the campaign to build a new church in the Archbishop’s parish for the Catholic inhabitants of the city. This church, which later became known as the Pro-Cathedral, was opened for worship in 1825, and completed 1841 with the building of its Greek Doric temple front. During this period work started on several more neo-classical churches.The first, after the Pro-Cathedral, was the Church of the Carmelite friary, Whitefriar Street, started in 1825. The series continued with Saint Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street (1829); Saint Francis Xavier, Gardiner Street (1829); Saint Andrew’s, Westland Row (1832); Adam and Eve’s, Merchants’ Quay (1834); Saint Paul’s, Arran Quay (1835); Saint Audoen’s, High Street (1841); and Our Lady of Refuge, Rathmines (1850). The Three Patrons of Ireland, Rathgar, which was completed in 1862, looks back for some of its inspiration to the Pro-Cathedral. It was also the last completed work of Patrick Byrne and his patron the Very Reverend Dr William Meagher, thus bringing to a close this phase of neo-classical architecture in Dublin. The architectural language used for the churches was determined by the patrons and architects and the thesis examines the influences which determined this language. The influences include international neo-classicism, Roman classicism, the Greek revival, and traditional building methods. Important influences on the Dublin churches from Paris are the late 18th century basilican plan and temple fronted churches. Patrick Byrne was pre-eminent among architects in sustaining the neo-classical tradition in Catholic church architecture in Dublin from the 1830s until his death in 1864, and an important part of the thesis is an assessment of his contribution. Among the clerical patrons Dr Meagher made a significant contribution to the style and form of his two churches. The thesis examines the nature of his considerable influence, and that of other patrons. To match the architectural ambitions of the patrons, sufficient money had to be provided. The thesis explains how the money was collected and the essential part the Catholic laity played in providing voluntary work and the funds to build the churches.

    You can read the full article on PDF here. There’s over 350 pages & Here is his accompanying PDF of PICTURES for the thesis. .It contains some fantastic rare images of churches from all over Ireland before many were reordered.


    Adam and Eve’s Franciscan Library, Killiney, reproduced in Peter Costello, Dublin churches

    Odd thing is how we’ve never discovered Brendan Grimes & his incredible wealth of knowledge on this subject before now. . THIS is his Flickr page

    I’ve e-mailed him a link to this page to see if he’d like to partake in some discussion.

    Fingers crossed.:)

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774219
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    No Praxiteles. .I don’t think so, at least not on that topic as yet. . Though he has written it appears many papers on architecture.
    Brendan Grimes is a lecturer in the School of Architecture, Dublin Institute of Technology, Bolton Street. . .

    I’ve only found one published book by him . .
    And this piece below on Patrick Byrne I’ve acquired from http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume15/issue1/features/?id=170

    Patrick Byrne and St Paul’s, Arran Quay, Dublin

    By the end of the 18th century, almost all the legislation directed principally against Catholics in Ireland had been repealed, thus allowing them to build places of worship as they pleased. From this period, the ambitions of clergy and laity, allied with increasing Catholic prosperity, resulted in a renaissance of church building. Their means and ambitions increased throughout the 19th century and, from the 1830s until his death in 1864, Patrick Byrne made a big and important architectural contribution with buildings of quality. Byrne was a classicist by education and his best buildings are neo-classical, but he was also called upon to design in the neo-gothic style. Dr. William Meagher commissioned him to design the new parish church in the Dublin suburb of Rathmines and afterwards wrote ‘… the accomplished, and good, and generous PATRICK BYRNE how truly may it not be said, that he regarded the beauties of Classical and Mediaeval Art with equal reverence, studied their several excellencies with equal assiduity, and wrought upon the principles of both with equally supereminent success?’

    Following the Relief Act of 1793, the Catholics of Ireland began to erect churches of architectural pretension. In that year in Dublin work started on St Teresa’s, Clarendon Street. Outside Dublin three fine new churches were erected in the 1790s: Waterford Cathedral; St John’s, Cashel; and St Peter’s, Drogheda (since demolished). The first Catholic church in Dublin with serious architectural intentions was started in 1815 in Archbishop Thomas Troy’s parish of St Mary’s; it was opened in 1825 and is now popularly known as the Pro-Cathedral. In the same year Troy’s successor, Dr Daniel Murray, laid the foundation stone of the church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Whitefriar Street. A further series of fine Catholic churches were built in Dublin after Catholic Emancipation in 1829: St Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street (1829); St Francis Xavier, Gardiner Street (1829); St Andrew’s, Westland Row (1832); and Adam and Eve’s, Merchants’ Quay (1834). Several architects were involved in the design of these churches and none of them appears to have been a favourite with more than one of the commissioning patrons.
    After 1835 this was to change with the design of St Paul’s, Arran Quay, by Patrick Byrne. Although Byrne was trained in the classical language of architecture, his versatility allowed him to adapt to the new Gothic style advocated by Pugin and asked for by some of his ecclesiastical patrons from the early 1840s. His other churches in Dublin are St Audoen’s, High Street (1841); St John the Baptist, Blackrock (1842); St James’s, James’s Street (1844); Our Lady of the Visitation, Fairview Strand (1847); St Pappin’s, Ballymun (1848); Our Lady of Refuge, Rathmines (1850); SS Alphonsus and Columba, Ballybrack, Co. Dublin (1854); St Assam’s, Raheny (1859); and the Three Patrons, Rathgar (1860). His reputation also extended outside the capital: he designed Catholic churches at Drangan, Co. Tipperary (1853), Arklow (1859) and Enniskerry, Co. Wicklow (1858). All his churches are still standing and, with the exception of St Pappin’s and St Assam’s, are still being used for their original purpose.


    Patrick Byrne-vice-president of the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland from 1852 until his death in 1864.


    Background

    Little is known for certain of Byrne’s family background. C. P. Curran writes that he was probably a Dublin or a Wicklow man, judging from his name. He further speculates that he may have been the son of John Byrne, who took part in the architectural competition in 1769 for the building of the Royal Exchange. Patrick Raftery notes that Patrick Byrne made a fine watercolour of the interior of the Royal Exchange in 1834, thus strengthening the speculation that he had some connection with the eighteenth-century architect. He also suggests that there may have been some relationship with Edward Byrne, a rich Dublin merchant and chairman of the Catholic Committee. If true, this might help to explain his patronage by the Catholic clergy. His attendance at the Dublin Society School suggests either good connections or a talent that could not be ignored. Whatever his origins, his residence was in Blackrock, and the fact that he provided gratis all or a considerable portion of his architectural services in the design and building of the church of St John the Baptist is an indication of his attachment to the locality.
    Byrne’s formal architectural education started in 1796 when, at the age of 13, he enrolled in the Dublin Society’s School of Architectural Drawing. There he was taught by Henry Aaron Baker (1753–1836), and thus was heir to the neo-classicism developed by James Gandon, who had Baker as a pupil, partner and successor. Work on the King’s Inns had started a year earlier, and his teacher must have been closely involved in the project, for which he took full responsibility after Gandon’s resignation in 1808. Byrne distinguished himself at the school by winning medals in 1797 and 1798.

    Architectural career

    Nothing is known of Byrne’s career from the time he left school until 1820. From 1820 until 1848 he worked for the Wide Street Commissioners, first as a measurer and then as an architect. This could mean that he was, in effect, city architect, but it could also mean that he was acting as a consultant when called upon. From 1848 to 1851 he was architect to the Royal Exchange. Little is known of his architectural work until his first known ecclesiastical commission for the new St Paul’s, when he was 52 years old. It is odd that no important work of architecture by him has been recorded before that date. Yet he can hardly have emerged fully formed as an architect at that stage of his life without having acquired considerable experience and established a reputation that would have enabled his patrons to trust him. If he was not practising architecture on his own account, he was almost certainly working as a partner or chief assistant with another architect; and if this premise can be accepted, the two most likely candidates are his teacher, Henry Aaron Baker, and Francis Johnston. Johnston died in 1829 before Byrne emerged in his own right as an architect, and Baker died in 1836. From 1796, when Byrne first became a student at the Dublin Society School, until 1835, when St Paul’s was started, the city had acquired several new public buildings, mostly by Francis Johnston (1760–1829): St George’s, Hardwicke Place, was begun in 1803 and finished in 1813; the Chapel Royal, Dublin Castle, was started in 1807, and the General Post Office was started in 1814. Also in this period the King’s Inns were finished by Johnston in 1816. From Johnston Byrne could have acquired his understanding of the Greek revival style, which he displayed with such competence in St Paul’s.
    Byrne’s last ecclesiastical work was the church of the Three Patrons, Rathgar, which was started in 1860 when he was 77 years of age. He submitted proposals for a church in Donnybrook in 1860, but died before preparing detailed design drawings. It was not until 1861, with the design of St Saviour’s for the Dominicans by J. J. McCarthy, that Byrne’s reign in Dublin came to an end. In the 25 years since the building of St Paul’s he had made an important contribution to the architectural patrimony of Dublin. His architecture is also an expression of the social standing of a newly emerged Catholic middle class. Byrne enjoyed the esteem of his colleagues, especially in the later years of his life, when they elected him vice-president of the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland from 1854 (along with George Papworth), a post that he held until his death in 1864. This was the highest honour the architects could accord him; the position of president was, at this time, always held by someone from outside the profession. He was also accorded high esteem by his clients, and his talents were publicly acknowledged by the Very Revd William Meagher, who was the patron of two of his churches.


    Our Lady of Refuge, Rathmines (1850)…

    His library

    The contents of Byrne’s library provide some indication of his interests and education. It was auctioned by H. Lewis on 17 February 1864 and the following days (the catalogue is in the Royal Irish Academy). Not surprisingly, most of Byrne’s library consisted of books on architecture, and it indicates a man who was interested in architectural history, theory and criticism, as well as in the practical concerns of any architect. He also had novels, biographies, and books on travel, history, art, philosophy, science, music, mathematics and geography.
    Like any practising architect in the nineteenth century, he had to build his own library of specialist books, not only to satisfy his general interest in architecture but also to inform himself on current developments. For example, most of his books on Gothic architecture were published (and probably bought) in the 1840s, when his patrons were being beguiled by Pugin and his followers. Some of the important architectural books in his library include John Ruskin’s Stones of Venice (London, 1851–3), his Seven lamps of architecture (London, 1849) and James Elmes’s Lectures on architecture (London, 1821), the latter regarded as an essential textbook for architectural students. He also had James Stuart and Nicholas Revett’s The antiquities of Athens (London, 4 vols, 1762–1816); these are folio size and the illustrations are clear and exact, and therefore useful to a practising architect.
    He was well aware of French publications; his library included two copies of Paul Marie Letarouilly’s Édifices de Rome moderne (Paris, 1840) and Charles Nicholas Cochin and Jérôme-Charles Bellicard’s Observations sur les antiquités de la ville d’Herculaneum (Paris, 1757). Jean-Nicholas-Louis Durand is represented by three books: Essai sur l’histoire générale de l’a rchitecture (Liége, 1842), Recueil et parallèle des edifices en tout gênera, anciens et modernes (Brussels, n.d.), and Précis des leçons d’architecture données à l’Ecole royale polytechnique (Paris, 1823). He had Sir William Chambers’s A treatise on civil architecture (London, 1759) and James Gibbs’s A book of architecture (London, 1739).
    Some of his books on Gothic architecture included Thomas Rickman’s An attempt to discriminate the styles of architecture in England (London, 1848), Frederick Paley’s A manual of Gothic architecture (London, 1846), Augustus Charles Pugin’s Examples of Gothic architecture (London, 1838), Augustus Welby Pugin’s The present state of ecclesiastical architecture in England (London, 1843) and Matthew Holbeche Bloxam’s The principles of Gothic ecclesiastical architecture (London, 1846). Most of Byrne’s work was ecclesiastical and his library contained several books that would have been useful for his practice, for example Richard Tress’s folio-size book Modern churches (London, 1841).
    Illustration…


    St Paul’s as illustrated in the Catholic Penny Journal, 10 January 1835. Unlike the church that was actually built, the columns are fluted and the front doors of equal size.

    St Paul’s, Arran Quay

    St Paul’s was Patrick Byrne’s first church, and it was the first Catholic church in Dublin to make a strong visual impact. Situated on the north side of the Liffey quays, it is the first prominent building visible from the western approach to the city. It assumes a place with two important eighteenth-century buildings further east along the quays, also on the north side and both expressing government authority: the Four Courts (1786) and the Custom House (1781), both by James Gandon.
    The foundation stone was laid on St Patrick’s Day 1835 by the archbishop of Dublin, Dr Daniel Murray. The Catholic Penny Magazine published an engraving of the façade and a description of the church in its edition of 10 January 1835. No mention is made of the architect, but the article is signed ‘B’, possibly Patrick Byrne.


    The Church of SS Mary and Peter, Arklow (1858).

    The writer thought that the new church was ‘ likely to become one of the principal architectural ornaments of our city’. The portico of St Paul’s is built of granite, following the example of the Jesuit church of St Francis Xavier, Gardiner Street, which broke with the tradition of using a combination of Portland stone and granite that had been initiated in Dublin in the early eighteenth century with the building of the parliament house. The fine carving on the granite portico and façade is testimony to the skill of the stone-carvers who mastered such an unyielding material. Just over two years later the church was ready for use and was blessed by Dr Murray on 30 June (feast of St Paul) 1837. A sum of £600 was collected on the opening day.
    Although it only took two years to make the church ready for use, it took a further five years to finish the front. The portico (without the statues), bell-tower and cupola were finished and paid for by 1842. A considerable proportion of the building costs was expended on the front, compared with the provision of accommodation. Catholic church-builders were learning that the making of grand architectural statements was expensive. St Paul’s has a clock in the tower, with four faces. It is not clear whether the intention was to assert equality with the Protestant churches, which usually housed clocks, or to imply a public status for the building. Before the Reformation it was usual for churches to use bells to mark time. After the Reformation, a newly invented mechanism, the clock, began to be incorporated into bell-towers alongside the bells. Byrne may have unconsciously included the clock because it was part of this tradition, but it was more likely a deliberate decision to enhance the building’s status by assuming a responsibility to the public, which a clock implies.
    In St Paul’s there are three entrances under the portico; the central door leads to the nave and the two side doors give direct access to two stairs, which lead to a very large balcony. The main entrance passes under the tower, through a draught lobby and into the nave. At the side to Lincoln Lane there were two entrances to the nave. The entrances were designed to direct members of the congregation to the part of the church best fitting their standing in society, and the separation of nave and balcony and a rail dividing the nave ensured that they were kept apart. To make the most of the site area available, the façade and the east side are aligned with the streets, which are not square to each other, resulting in a skewing of the main axis; this is obvious on the plan but hardly noticeable otherwise. Byrne was later to do the same in St James’s . Confidence in this solution is an indication of his knowledge of ancient Roman practice: the Romans would often bend the axis of a city gate, for example, to suit differing street alignments.
    The first impression of the interior, as one’s eye is drawn to the altar, is the large wall painting in the apse; it depicts the conversion of St Paul, by F. S. Barff, behind a screen of giant Ionic columns. This idea was borrowed from St Mary’s, Moorfields (1817–20) in London, which was remarkable for the Baroque drama of its concealed lighting of a painting of the Crucifixion by Agostino Aglio (1777–1857) in the apse. St Mary’s, Moorfields, was illustrated in John Britton and Augustus Pugin’s Illustrations of public buildings in London (London, 1825 and 1828), and Byrne had a copy in his library. St Mary’s, which was an important Catholic church, was well known among clergy and architects interested in ecclesiastical architecture. The Catholic Penny Magazine (10 January 1835) noted that the lumière mystérieuse behind the altar was successfully used to the same effect in Les Invalides, St Roche and St Sulpice in Paris. It had been intended that the painting behind the altar of St Paul’s be a representation of the Crucifixion, just as in St Mary’s.
    The nave is lit by ten round-headed windows (five on either side) between plain pilasters. Over the pilasters is an Ionic frieze and cornice, continuing around all sides of the interior. The Ionic theme is continued in the detailing of the ceiling, sanctuary and balcony. The ceiling is a shallow barrel vault divided into five compartments by transverse bands. (The shallow barrel-vaulted ceiling in the dining hall of the King’s Inns is also divided into five compartments.) Within each compartment are three rosettes framed with squares. In many respects the interior of St Paul’s owes something to Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Whitefriar Street, designed by George Papworth and started in 1825. The two churches have some features in common: the shallow barrel vault, the Greek detailing from the Erectheum, and the articulation of the external walls. Even the site restrictions determined that both churches should have narrow naves.


    Corner of bell-tower with a decorative frieze copied from the Erechtheum, Athens;


    pilaster capital at side of portico


    onsole at the base of the bell-tower.

    St Paul’s was to make more than a visual impression. It was not enough to have one bell; St Paul’s had a peal of six bells that were first rung on the Feast of All Saints in 1843. These joy-bells, as they were called, were popular with the citizens of Dublin, who came in their thousands to hear them rung for the first time. According to the Catholic Directory 1846, the bells were rung every Sunday and on special days ‘by select and judicious persons chosen and adapted for that important purpose’. They were made by James Sheridan, of the Eagle Foundry, Church Street. Sheridan was pleased with his work and placed an advertisement in the Catholic Directory describing the bells and the ‘great delight and satisfaction of the assembled thousands who came to witness the reviving sounds of Irish Christianity’. He praised the parish priest, Dr Yore, ‘whose patrician love for Ireland induced him to get them here, notwithstanding the allurements held out by the London bell-makers’.
    The choice of the Greek Ionic order and the use of Greek ornamentation for St Paul’s are worth remarking on. Compared with England, and particularly Scotland, Ireland has few Greek revival buildings, and even in Ireland the Greek revival was accepted less in Dublin than it was in the provinces. Byrne’s architectural education, having come through the Chambers–Gandon–B aker tradition, was not calculated to incline him towards the Greek. Perhaps the impetus of the Greek revival provided by the Pro-Cathedral, and continued with St Andrew’s, was required to run its course with St Paul’s. The sturdy and masculine Doric seems fitting for the big churches in the archbishop’s parishes, St Mary’s and St Andrew’s. In St Paul’s the delicate Greek Ionic helps to convey a sense of the confidence that the Catholics of Dublin had by then become accustomed to feeling.
    The drawing of the façade of St Paul’s shown in the Catholic Penny Magazine is slightly different to the façade as built. The drawing shows the three entrance doors at the same height, and three round-headed windows above the doors. This calm regularity accords with, for example, the neo-classicism of St-Phillipe-du-Roule, Paris, which has three entrance doors of equal height.


    Interior view of St Paul’s, looking towards the altar.

    (St-Phillipe-du-Roule was well known to contemporary architects and was used as the model for the Pro-Cathedral.) It also accords with the design of the Pro-Cathedral, where three doors of equal height were intended. The arrangement of doors and windows that Byrne intended for the façade of St Paul’s can be judged from the similar arrangements on the façades of Our Lady of Refuge, Rathmines, and SS Mary and Peter, Arklow, Co. Wicklow. Another departure from the design was the omission of the fluting from the columns. The fluting was clearly intended and would have completed the design. The façade of St Paul’s faces south and enjoys an open aspect over the River Liffey, and whenever the sun shines it looks its best. Byrne perfectly understood the subtle effects that his delicate bands of ornamentation, surfaces on different planes and angles, etc., would produce, especially in sunlight. The semi-ovoid dome was built as designed. Could the use of this type of dome be a subtle sign to distinguish the church as a Catholic one? Whether or not this is so, the semi-ovoid dome was later used on several Catholic churches.

    Conclusion

    Following the building of St Paul’s, Byrne enjoyed a successful career as an architect until his death on 10 January 1864, during which time he became almost solely responsible for creating in Dublin (with the help of his patrons, builders and craftsmen) the architecture that became part of the physical expression of the Catholic Church’s new-found strength in Ireland.

    Further reading:
    C.P. Curran, ‘Patrick Byrne: architect’, Studies XXXIII (130) (June 1944).
    E. McParland, ‘The Wide Streets Commissioners: their importance for Dublin architecture in the late 18th–early 19th century’, Irish Georgian Society Bulletin XV (1) (January–March 1972).
    P. Raftery, ‘The last of the traditionalists: Patrick Byrne, 1783–1864’, Irish Georgian Society Bulletin VII (April–December 1964).

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    Commodious temples: Catholic church building in nineteenth-century Dublin

    The following is a transcript of the thirteenth Sir John T. Gilbert Commemorative Lecture by Brendan Grimes, at Dublin City Library and Archive on 21st January 2010.

    Audio . . This is pretty neat you can listen to the talk while following the presentation:

    Thank you Lord Mayor for that generous introduction. I feel honoured to have been asked to give the 13th annual lecture in honour of Sir John Gilbert. I am also pleased, Lord Mayor, ladies and gentlemen to share with you some of the fruits from my study of 19th-century Catholic church building in Dublin. People like me spend a lot of time in libraries and archives and in studies typing away and it’s lovely to emerge and share our information with people and I’m delighted to do that. I am going to show you some of the Catholic churches (or as they were called at the time ‘ornamental edifices’ to use a contemporary description) which were added to the metropolis by the Catholics of Dublin during John Gilbert’s lifetime. (He was born in 1829 – a significant date for Catholics- and he died in 1898.)

    In the early 19th century Catholic churches of architectural pretension, mostly in a classical style began to be built in Dublin. These temples (as they were often called) were paid for and built against the background of legislation which for over 100 years had discriminated against Catholics. One result of this discrimination was to make it difficult for Catholics to build churches of architectural distinction on prominent sites. When the restrictions were lifted they managed to produce some magnificent classical temples (as I hope you will agree when you see the photographs I have for you). However not all these churches were classical and by the middle of the century classicism was on the wane and the gothic style began to be increasingly favoured by Catholic Church builders, who came under the spell of [Augustus Welby Northmore] Pugin (1812-52).

    Before looking at the churches I want (as a way of providing some background) to bring you to the year 1731. In that year a lords committee made a report for the government concerning the state of the Catholic religion in Ireland (or popery as it was called in the report). We learn from the report that there were 16 mass houses in Dublin, four of which had been built since the reign of George I (1714-27), that is since 1727. The report also counts three private chapels, two nunneries, and what it called ‘45 popish schools’.

    A reading of the report gives the impression (to me at least) that Catholic church building in big urban centres was progressing without much interference. The lords committee was not too pleased with this increase in building. Their report states that the increase of public mass-houses and convents..[is]…to the manifest danger of the Protestant religion, of his majesty’s government, and of the peace and welfare of this kingdom.
    It is hardly surprising therefore that the committee recommended that
    …it is absolutely necessary, that the magistrates of this kingdom, particularly those in the city of Dublin, do immediately enter upon a more steady and vigorous execution of the laws against popery, especially those against all regular, and persons exercising ecclesiastical jurisdiction contrary to the laws of this kingdom.
    Whether prompted by this recommendation or not Dublin Corporation set up a committee to consider what further laws were needed to help in the proper running of the city. The committee’s report, dated 4 December 1739 suggested 18 extra laws one of which stated:
    That each alderman should be obliged to make returns every term to the grand jury at every general sessions of the peace, of all popish schoolmasters and nunneries, or friars, that they know, are informed of, or have reason to suspect are within their several wards, in order to have the same prosecuted and suppressed.
    In spite of a hostile attitude from Dublin Corporation to the Catholic clergy, particularly those belonging to religious orders, there was, from this period, a tolerant attitude by the press towards them which began to discard descriptions like ‘popish priest’ in favour of descriptions like ‘Roman Catholick clergyman’, and ‘parish priest’. I think in the change of language you can discern this change in attitude. The newspapers began to publish death notices of Catholic clergymen; for example Faulkner’s Dublin Journal of 13 January 1741 published a notice of the death of the parish priest of Saint Nicholas Without [Saint Nicholas of Myra], Reverend Thomas Austin, with the words that ‘… his death [is] very much lamented by people of all persuasions.’
    A report made in 1749, for the Protestant archbishop of Dublin has notes on 19 Catholic chapels in the city. This report noted that the Catholics ‘enjoy the Exercise of their Religion if not in such splendor, as they desire, yet without the least molestation from the Government.’ By 1825 there were, according to a contemporary writer, 26 Catholic chapels in the city. In another report in 1849 there were, according to another contemporary, a total of 28 places for Catholics to worship.

    What were these chapels like? I think it is safe to say that most of the 18th century Catholic chapels were fitted out at least adequately and sometimes expensively, but none of them made any attempt at anything more than a modest display on the outside. Even in the early years of the 19th century John Milner (he wrote on Catholic affairs) observed that ‘it is the spirit of our religion, to bestow the greatest pains and expense upon the interior decorations of our churches and chapels.’
    Another contemporary, this time a Protestant clergyman, George Newenham Wright described the entrance to the Liffey Street chapel as ‘by a wretched gate-way, beneath a tottering fabric…’, but (he goes on to say) ‘the interior by no means corresponds: it is extremely neat, and has a venerable sombre character.’ There are no examples of these chapels left in Dublin, but Saint Patrick’s church, Waterford, conveys some idea I think of what these chapels were like. Here we have a very modest entrance, you just go down a lane into this door and it looks like a speakeasy really, and you arrive into a nice interior, well fitted-out, sometimes expensively, as I said. There’s a lovely monument there and very commonly they had galleries; three galleries in this case to get as many people in as possible.

    The building of the Carmelite Church of Saint Teresa, Clarendon Street, marked the beginning of a new era for Catholic Church builders in Dublin. The foundation stone was laid by John Sweetman, one of Dublin’s leading Catholic laymen, in 1793 and the church was opened to the public in 1810. According to Reverend Dr William Meagher (whom we shall meet again later) Saint Teresa’s stood out like a jewel against the other Dublin churches which were, he said ‘…crouching timidly in the darkest and most loathsome alleys and lanes of the city. ’ Within about 25 years great progress had been made (and continued to be made) in the provision of fine new churches and this was a source of great pride for Catholics. In a sermon delivered by Very Reverend Dr Miley in Saint Audoen’s church, in August 1841 he gave the following description, and this sermon was published so that he could raise funds for the new church. He said:
    If a stranger were to ask me where the trophies of the glorious sacrifices of the Irish people for their religion are to be found, I would conduct him round the city, and show him the “back yard chapels” – the Catacombs of Dublin. And then I would bring him to St. Andrew’s, to SS. Michael and John’s, to the church of St. Francis of Assisium, to both the Carmelite churches, to St. Nicholas’s, … to that beautiful Ionic temple of St. Paul’s, to St. Michan’s, to the Dominican church, to St. Francis Xavier, and to the Metropolitan, surpassing all the churches, not only in this island, but of the Empire, in Doric majesty. The metropolitan is the Pro-Cathedral and here she stands in Doric majesty.

    Before these churches were built the morals of Dubliners were, according to Dr William Meagher, the parish priest of Rathmines, a match for what he would have us believe, were the grim condition of the chapels in 18th century Dublin. He was a good orator and had a great facility with words – he wrote …the drunkard raved without obstruction, and the blasphemer shouted his impiety, and the gambler squandered in nights of dissipation what his days of toil had accumulated.

    By the middle of the 19th century several fine Catholic churches had been built in the city and Dr Meagher asserted that the depravity of 50 years earlier was little evident among the population in Dublin. What a wonderful thing architecture is! The creation of fine public buildings had become visible evidence of the Catholics’ newly won civil rights, and an expression of their determination to command respect. (Reads the footnote: The parish committee of the Francis Street chapel budgeted an annual sum in 1794 to provide a salary for a policeman to keep the approaches to the chapel clear of the obstructions of beggars, N. Donnelly, A short history of Dublin parishes, part VI, 62.) The Dublin Evening Post, 28 November 1786, advised Catholics to use their best efforts to clear the approaches to the chapels of beggars (Brady, Catholics and Catholicism, 248.) Catholics in other towns and cities across the water in our neighbouring island had similar ambitions.
    The Catholics of London saw their new church of Saint Mary’s, Moorfields, as more appropriate [than their old chapel] for the display of the imposing service of their religion, and better adapted for the respectability and numbers of its adherents in the capital.
    This idea of matching high morals with fine buildings was an aspiration of the clergy and laity in the cities and large towns of Ireland. At a meeting, in Cork, to further the building of Saint Mary’s, Pope’s Quay, the prior, Dr Russell said that Catholics need no longer feel inferior when they had accustomed themselves to their new church. He also thought that a beautiful church would exercise great moral influence on the character and feeling of the Catholic population. There is his church Saint Mary’s on Pope’s Quay and one would really feel like dressing up and behaving yourself entering a building like that.
    One more example: Dr William Higgins in his printed appeal for funds to build his new cathedral in Longford also drew a connection between public morals and architecture.
    … the Bishop conceives he would advance the glory of God, and greatly promote the cause of truth and morality, by erecting a spacious Cathedral in the centre of the Diocese… (We are talking about Saint Mel’s cathedral which was sadly gutted by fire on Christmas morning). I took this photograph in August.
    The opening of a new Catholic church was to become an important social event attended by many from the wealthy and influential sections of society, indicating a general acceptance of the Catholics’ role in contributing to public architecture. For example the consecration of the new church of Saint Nicholas of Myra, in 1832, was attended by ‘a very fashionable congregation’ which included several Protestant families. The music was selected from masses by Haydn and Mozart, and the orchestra was supplemented by members of the band of the 1st Dragoon Guards. You can imagine wonderful music and fashion and religion of course.
    Even on ordinary days the tone of Catholic religious services were transformed to match the new and ostentatious structures the Catholics were building, by the introduction of more elaborate embroidered vestments and altar furnishings, and by the greater use of music and incense.

    The diocese of Dublin provided most of the best examples of these new churches, which were among the most expensive and prestigious buildings of their type in Ireland, England, Scotland, or Wales. The Dublin diocese spent more than any other diocese in Ireland. In 50 Dublin parishes the period 1800-64, that’s over a period of 64 years, 41 convents had been built at a cost of £360,000; 119 churches at a cost of more than £630,000; ten colleges and seminaries at a cost of nearly £80,000, and 15 hospitals at a cost of over £100,000. So you see we have a rich heritage of religious buildings in Dublin. However other dioceses also spent heavily: the Catholics of Ireland spent about £5,000,000 on religious buildings and schools from the beginning of the century until 1868. The important churches were intended to be built on prominent sites, and here I have for you some examples.
    The Pro-Cathedral looks as if it was designed for an open site that might have been the principal street in Dublin, Sackville Street (now O’Connell Street) on the site of what is now the G.P.O. but I’ve never found anything written down to assert that so we can’t say for sure. It was built nearby in a smaller street, Marlborough Street. Saint Paul’s achieves a magnificent prominence on Arran Quay on the Western approach to the city. (The Catholic directory noted that Saint Paul’s was the first Catholic Church in several centuries to have a tower and cupola.) Saint Audoen’s occupies a prominent site on High Street overlooking the heart of the medieval city. There is evidence that Saint Nicholas of Myra was to be opened up to Francis Street as the centrepiece of a façade to include two presbyteries. Saint Francis Xavier and Saint Andrew’s both form part of the street façade. Saint Andrew’s together with its presbyteries, takes up a considerable portion of Westland Row and extends to Cumberland Street South where the back of the church and schools dominate the street with its assured architecture. Saint Andrew’s was to have a tower which was not completed but if it had been would have been visible from Merrion Square.

    Adam and Eve’s was originally hidden between Merchants’ Quay and Cook Street, but eventually expanded (with the friary) to present façades to Merchants’ Quay, Cook Street, Skippers Alley, and Winetavern Street, after having subsumed Rosemary Lane. Here’s the façade to Merchant’s Quay. Our Lady of Refuge in the mainly Protestant suburb of Rathmines makes an imposing presence on the Rathmines Road and its dome is visible over a large part of the city and suburbs. The Three Patrons of Ireland was too much for the Irish Times when it was built which offered the opinion that it would when built ‘… depreciate the value of property in the neighbourhood, and drive the Protestant occupants from the place.’ The Irish Times article (which by the way was the leading article this is really what was playing on their minds) conveys a sense that Protestant sympathy for the Catholics’ cause had largely evaporated by the mid-century when they had obtained their civil rights and were continuing to build on a grand scale, and beginning to build in a triumphal manner. Another view of the matter comes from the parish priest of Rathmines, our friend Dr William Meagher, who thought that the unfinished state of Our Lady of Refuge, in 1878, before the portico had been built, was the subject of grief and shame ‘and a scandal to our non-Catholic townsmen…’
    So now I want to bring you back to the sermon Father John Miley made in Saint Audoen’s in August 1841. You remember that he mentioned several churches which he called ‘trophies of the glorious sacrifices of the Irish people for their religion’. He named eleven churches. All but one of these churches survive and the others survive in various forms, by that I mean that they have been altered to a greater or lesser extent since they were built, but we’ll get a glimpse of that as I continue by bringing you on a tour of these churches, not in the order in which he mentioned them in his sermon but in the order in which they were built; in this way we can observe something of the progress of Catholic church building in Dublin. So if you take my hand I’ll take you on this little tour and we’ll arrive back here for a glass of wine shortly.

    Now the first one is Saint Teresa’s on Clarendon Street, which I have already mentioned and I have a date 1793. It is the oldest church mentioned by Father Miley. The foundation stone was laid in the year that An Act for the Relief of His Majesty’s Popish, or Roman Catholick Subjects of Ireland 1793 (33 Geo. 3. C.21) became law. Now this Relief Act of 1793 really is the important one as far as building is concerned because after the Relief Act Catholics could really build what they liked, where they liked. Now the other Emancipation Act of 1829 added more rights to it but even that provided fro the suppression of religious orders, particularly the Jesuits so it wasn’t complete emancipation. This is an important church, now I won’t really say much about it, we did see it at the first slide and we saw that it is buried in here with canted end at each side. It has been extended, here we have it south extension in 1865 and west transept and a facade to Clarendon street in 1876 and its reached all the way to Johnston’s Court. So the original entrance to it was through a laneway from Wicklow Street. That laneway is gone now. Now incidentally I remember about 20 or 30 years ago seeing a plaque on the wall I think it was from the entrance on Johnston’s court commemorating the laying of the foundation stone by John Sweetman in 1793 and I can’t find it so if anyone knows where it is just tell me afterwards.

    Now we move on to the next church Saint Michael and John in Blind Quay and here we are in 1811. We can be thankful to Dr Michael Blake for this. He was made parish priest of Saint Michael’s in 1810. He soon set about looking for a site for a new church. He found the site where the Theatre Royal, Smock Alley once stood. So I think a lot of the walls of Smock Alley Theatre stood. He choose as his architect John Taylor who built for him a Gothick hall incorporating the remains of the theatre. The church as opened in 1815 and shortly, if we are to believe Nicolas Donnelly the fearless Dr Blake set up a bell which was used to call the faithful to Mass and to ring the Angelus. Alderman Carleton instituted proceedings in the King’s Bench against the offending parish priest. When Carleton heard that Daniel O’Connell was to defend the action, he quietly dropped the matter. One of the interesting things about this is the funding of most of these churches. Most of the building work for this church was provided voluntarily by Dublin tradesmen. Here it is on the ordnance survey map. We can also see the plaster ceiling is drawn in on the map. I also think that it’s an indication that these buildings were recognised as public buildings because the floor plans of these classic chapels (they were caused chapels at the time because they were outside the organised religion, but we call them churches) were drawn in fully so I think it’s an indication of the recognition that Catholics were receiving.

    Now contemporary with this is Saint Michan’s with a façade on North Anne Street. There’s the façade to North Anne Street. This is the oldest Catholic church in Dublin still in use for its original purpose. In 1891-1902 it was enlarged with side chapels, extended sanctuary, tower, and its main entrance was changed to Halston Street. But here we see the main entrance from North Anne Street. There’s the interior about the same size as Saint Michael and John’s (about 14 or 15metres wide by about 35 metres long). It’s got a plastered ceiling vault with plastered ceiling with lovely pedants on it. There are five windows on either side. It still has a large balcony.

    Now we go on to the Pro-Cathedral. The idea of building an important city Catholic church in the archbishop’s parish of Saint Mary’s became realisable after the Relief Act of 1793 and in 1803 a printed appeal was made to the public for funds stating that this church would be ‘adapted to the encreased population of this great city, and not unworthy of the opulence, with which God has blessed its Inhabitants.’ An architectural competition for the new Metropolitan chapel (as it was called then) was announced in 1814 and the committee wanted a classical building. The winning design was clearly derived from French models and was sent from Paris but we do not know who the architect was. Now I could spend a lot of time talking about the Pro-Cathedral but I just want to point out one thing and that is the similarity between it and Saint Philippe-du-Roule in Paris which was designed by Jean-François-Chalgrin in 1764 and built in 1772-84. So what I have here on the slide is the façade of Saint Philippe-du-Roule and the plan of Saint Philippe-du-Roule. It is worth noting that the Archbishop of Dublin, Dr John Troy was chairman of the building committee responsible for the decision that the new church should be a classical design and that he spent a week in Paris in 1777) on a journey from Rome to Ireland. (Saint-Philippe-du-Roule was under construction at the time so he probably saw it.)

    Now if you just bear with me I’ll just show you my great discoveries here. These are three plans, here on the right we have the plan of Saint Philippe-du-Roule as it was originally built and there’s Saint Philippe-du-Roule as it was extended later on and there’s the Pro-Cathedral in grey. What I’ve done there is I have superimposed one plan over the other so we see the dotted red line superimposed over the plan of the Pro-cathedral. What you see there is most remarkable. The width and length of both interiors are almost the same, the ratio of width of nave to width of aisle is the same in both churches, and the spacing of the columns is the same. In the original design for Saint-Philippe-du-Roule the columns continued in front of the apse where the choir stalls were placed. In 1846 the apse was placed further back, to the designs of Hippolyte Godde, to form an ambulatory behind the columns. This means that the apsidal arrangement in the Pro-Cathedral was not copied from Saint-Philippe-du-Roule. Could it be that the re-ordering of Saint-Philippe-du-Roule in 1846 was based on the example of the Pro-Cathedral? If the design for the Pro-Cathedral came from Paris then the design was known in Paris. The result of the alteration is to make the spatial volumes in both churches similar.

    One thing that does make a difference is the columns. These are Doric columns in the Pro-Cathedral and here we have ionic columns in Saint-Philippe-du-Roule. Also the lighting is different. The lighting of Saint-Philippe-du-Roule is from windows and the isle and also from two windows that penetrate the vault. That was intended for the Pro-Cathedral but they altered the design and placed a dome here. So when the Pro-Cathedral was built, the spirit of French architecture was brought to Dublin. To enter the Pro-Cathedral is to enter, in imagination, one of the French basilican planned churches of the late 18th century. Although when we come to the outside, the portico conveys more of the sense of international neo-classicism from the early 19th century. The interior of the Pro-Cathedral is French, but the exterior would not look out of place in any city touched by neo-classicism. In the late 18th and early 19th centuries architectural ideas were transmitted quickly by publications and by the movement of architects, and Dublin by no means lagged behind any part of Europe. The use of Greek detailing in the Pro-Cathedral was perfectly in tune with contemporary architectural developments on the continent and in Britain.

    So now we move on to our next church mentioned by Dr Miley and we are at 1825 now and this is Our Lady of Mount Carmel. He mentions two Carmelite churches and this is one of them. George Papworth was the architect of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which he built for the prior of the Carmelite Order, the Very Reverend John Spratt. The first stone was laid on 25 October 1825 by the Archbishop of Dublin, Dr Daniel Murray and solemnly consecrated by him on 11 November 1827. I like seeing contemporary descriptions so I have one from the Catholic Penny Magazine from 1834. It says: The interior presents a beautiful architectural view. The right side of the church, from which the light is emitted, is pierced by windows; and the left is ornamented by corresponding niches, filled with statues of eminent saints. The ceiling is coved, and divided into rectangular compartments. The interior, just completed will be peculiarly neat. The whole expense is about £4000; and proves how much can be done with small means, when taste and judgment are combined. Notice how the rich people are near the alter, in seats and the poor people are at the back of the church kneeling down on the cold floor. That was common in Catholic churches. The only part that remains now is this part here and the coved ceiling remains. I think it has been altered. In 1844 the church was extended to the North and part of Papworth’s original church was incorporated into the South isle. We can see it there on the plan; they’re the original church. So this is the extent of it in 1864, but since then it has extended further. I think this engraving seems quite accurate if you compare it to what remains.

    Now we move on to Saint Nicholas of Myra on Francis Street and we’re at 1929 now. I know this church is a favourite of many people, and we should thank the parish priest Matthew Flanagan for it. Father Flanagan was appointed parish priest of Saint Nicholas of Myra in 1827. He soon directed his efforts to building an addition to his church at the east end, a modest enough project which ended up with the building of a whole new church, these things happen! Father Flanagan was one of the new generation of priest educated at Maynooth and he served as parish priest of Saint Nicholas until his death in 1856. In one of the parish registers Father Flanagan wrote on 3 December 1834:

    The Building was commenced January 1829 and now to be completed interiorly before January next will cost interiorly complete £8400 of which the poor and labouring classes collected by a Society of the undernamed charitable Individuals, during the space of 5 years with unremitting and indefatigable zeal amounted to £2959 5s 5d the remainder was supplied by the donations of the richer Parishioners of the Parish, of the clergy, and of certain charitable Individuals residing out of the Parish. Now that record is part of a parchment which was enclosed in a bottle and placed under the high altar on 1 December 1834. As well as a short account of the new church the parchment also contained a short history of the parish, information on the clergy and the work of the parish, and an account of the state of ecclesiastical affairs and politics in Ireland.

    According to the author of A short history of some Dublin parishes, Nicholas Donnelly, the principal lines of the design were by the architect, John Leeson, but Father Flanagan was responsible for the refinement of all the details, which he says was evidence of a ‘cultivated taste’. This may well have been the case – in the copy of the parchment placed under the high altar a statement that the parish priest was the ‘Builder of the church’ is corrected to read ‘under whom the church was built’. It is likely that the correction was made on the authority of the parish priest who, from a feeling of modesty, was unwilling to take all the credit for his work.

    The design for the exterior was criticized in the Dublin Penny Journal, for what it described as ‘the incongruous association of a Gothic spire rising out of a Greek portico’, the writer, confident of his own superior judgement in matters of taste, proffered the advice that ‘As it is not yet too late, we indulge a hope that this error may by corrected.’ The spire, which offended the Dublin Penny Journal cannot be called gothic. The whole arrangement of portico, base, tower, and pyramidal spire has a sober classical appearance, and is a satisfactory solution to the problem of uniting spire and portico. You can see there that the drawing suggests a large open space in front of the church and presbytery, which would have involved the demolition of some houses fronting Francis Street. However, no houses were demolished as far as I know and only one presbytery was built. That pediment was there and the spire was never built but the pediment was replaced with a copper dome.

    I was mentioning earlier about the segregation of classes of people in the churches and we have a lovely example in Saint Nicholas of Myra. The opulent members of society approached the church through here and heated themselves near the alter. There’s a little gate there, which still has a lock on it; it’s interesting. It’s great they have not altered it so these rails are still in position.

    The focal point of the church, the high altar, has retained its original fittings.
    The parish priest bought the altar at Rome and the statuary at Florence. Father Flanagan used his contact in Rome, the Rector of the Irish College, Dr Paul Cullen, to help him buy the sculpture he wanted for his church. He travelled to Florence in 1833 and took an apartment for one month to look for sculpture and to study Italian. Shortly after arriving in Florence he wrote a gushing letter to Cullen describing his journey, and praising the beauty of Florence, its clean and well-dressed inhabitants and its delightful cafés and restaurants; this most have been a contrast to what he was used to in Dublin. He was writing about the coach trip and some American passenger too that was causing a nuisance. It was great stuff to read. Here is a little of what he wrote:
    The City is all alive – the streets wide, admirably paved I may say flagged & perfectly clean – the air good, and the view of the vicinity which I only yet had at a distance exceedingly cheering and enlivening.
    Father Flanagan had already commissioned the Roman artist Giuseppe Leonardi to build the altar for Saint Nicholas of Myra but he had failed to find anyone in Rome willing to carve the two statues of angels he wanted, for the price he was willing to offer. But he did eventually find in Florence a sculptor, who turned out to be very good Francesco Pozzi to carve the two angels. There is lots of correspondence about that, about the exact sizes of it and how he’s worried when he leaves Florence he’s worried the sculptor will stop working on his project because he isn’t there to egg him on and so on but they did eventually arrive.

    But there are more delights in this church. There is a plaster relief of the Last supper there, and over this altar the Marriage of the Virgin, by John Smyth. There’s a Pietà, by John Hogan. The Freeman’s Journal described the interior as it was at the consecration of the church on 15 February 1832:
    The pilasters over the altar are of the Ionic order, and have a very fine effect. The stucco, too over the sanctuary – the only part as yet ceiled – is beautiful.

    The building is altogether light, elegant and commodious, and when completed will reflect great credit upon the architect who planned, and the independent and liberal parishioners who erected so noble a temple to the living God. And surely the labours of the rev. gentleman under whose auspices so vast a work was undertaken can never be forgotten. Almost 10 years later on 8 November 1842 the church was solemnly dedicated, although unfinished. The Catholic directory expressed the hope that Father Flanagan could complete ‘this sacred structure which is an honour to his taste and judgment.’

    Some more photographs of the interior. This ceiling is remarkable all these panels have symbols of religion like keys and the cock crowing distributed all over the church. At the crossing here we have the four fathers of the church and we have the twelve apostles all around here. It’s a really lovely piece of work. I love that church. I remember when I was making a plan of it I was left alone inside and the church was locked and there was a thunderstorm outside. It is really something that sticks in your memory the joys of research and working. There’s Francesco Pozzi’s beautiful angels, beautiful marble angels. We are lucky to have these.

    So now we’ll move on to our next church, also 1829, Saint Francis Xavier, Gardiner Street Upper. Building work started on this church in 1829 and it opened for use on 3 May 1832 and was dedicated on 12 February 1835. The new church was described by Reverend Patrick Mehar SJ as a ‘…beautiful, uniform, and commodious temple.’ The Catholic Penny Magazine described it as
    …one of the most perfect, convenient, and classical edifices of our City, combining, at once, elegance of design, with utility of arrangement; and affording the ONLY specimen in Dublin where NATIVE GRANITE has been exclusively applied, in the construction of an extensive portico.
    It is remarkable how quickly the church was built in one campaign and made ready for use compared with other contemporary churches, where the building went on for years and years and the portico was built twenty years, maybe even later. I’m thinking now of St. Audeon’s, 1840s and it wasn’t until 1890s that the portico was built. I wondered about this and thought well maybe the Jesuits just like to make a big display as quickly as possible and this might be true. But there seems to have been pressure on the Jesuits to finish the portico to avoid paying additional rent. Let’s have a look inside. So here we have a photograph taken in the early 1900s and here is an engraving published in 1832 in the Catholic Penny Magazine. We can see originally the sanctuary ended in a rectangle space. It was a very shallow sanctuary.

    Less than five years after the church was finished plans for extending the apse were being discussed. It is possible that the extended apse was part of the original architectural concept but was set aside for lack of funds. On the other hand it is possible that during Father Esmonde’s stay at the Gesù, which is the mother church of the Jesuit order, he stayed there from 1839 to 1844 and it’s possible that the idea of extending the church fixed itself in his mind while he was there. Whatever the reason, in early 1842, we find Father Esmonde, writing from the Gesù discussing designs for extending the apse and other work, with Father Robert Haly SJ, who was resident in Gardiner Street. Father Esmonde’s idea was to extend the apse and to finish it with a semi-circle like in the Gesù. Without the enlarged sanctuary the plan of Saint Francis Xavier was, according to Father Esmonde, ‘meagre and stunted’ to ‘Roman eyes’. Everyone he consulted in Rome thought that the general effect and proportions of the church would be improved by the proposed enlargement of the sanctuary.

    The building of the apse in 1851 and the placing of the high altar within it brought the spirit of the Gesù to Dublin. So there are some the features from the Gesù which are employed in Saint Francis Xavier are, the side chapels (I have a plan in which we will see the side chapels later), and the short transepts. Incidentally the rich people entered through the side chapels and found themselves up near the alter – that’s how they entered the building. There are differences too, the Gesù has a barrelvaulted ceiling in the nave and a dome at the crossing, but here it’s a flat ceiling. It’s a beautiful church Saint Francis Xavier and a beautiful alter. We’re a long way from the 18th century chapels with the great big galleries and people squashed in tightly. Here we have just a small gallery for the choir and organ and what a beautiful organ. It extends from one side to another.

    There is a close resemblance in the proportions on plan of Saint Francis Xavier to the Gesù and to some extent this explains why the architectural experience conveyed by the interiors are comparable. Here I have a slide to show you the similarities. On this plan here we have a plan of the Gesù. The details of the plan of Saint Francis Xavier don’t really matter too much but they are the black line running around there. What I’ve done here is I’ve shrunk the plan of the Gesù down to about the same size as Saint Francis Xavier. In the shrunken version we have a broken red line and you see how closely it corresponds with the proportions of Saint Francis Xavier. These are the side chapels I was talking about and there’s the side chapel in Saint Francis Xavier. There are hundreds of Jesuit churches all over the world and many of them are linked, to a greater or lesser degree, to the mother church, the Gesù. Although the plan of Saint Francis Xavier is based on that of the Gesù its façade is derived from the French temple fronted models of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. It bears a particular resemblance to the façade of Notre Dame de Lorette (1823-6) by Louis-Hippolyte Le Bas (1782-1867), which had been erected a few years before. [Shown in slide 22] So here we have Italian and French influences coming to bear on this church.

    Saint Andrew’s, Westland Row (1832)
    I want to bring you now to a church, which is just about, five minutes walk from here, Saint Andrew’s, Westland Row. This was started in 1832. The first church Father Miley mentioned in his sermon is Saint Andrew’s. It is also the first church that probably sprung to his mind because only a few months before his sermon this church was solemnly consecrated on 29 January 1841. This must have been a really wonderful affair. The ceremony started at 8am after the vigil of the preceding evening, and continued until 3pm; That’s seven hours plus as you had to be in early to get a good place. The sermon was preached by Dr Wiseman. The Freeman’s [Journal] sent reporters in to report on it and the Freeman’s Journal had this to say (now I don’t know if the reporter spent all seven hour:
    In Rome itself the august rite could not have been performed in a more complete form, and in the brilliancy and becoming splendour with which it was attended there are many of the great continental churches that could not have eclipsed yesterday’s ceremony.

    But let us go back to 30 April 1832 when the administrator (parish priest) Dr Blake (whom we have already met at Saints Michael & John’s) laid the first stone (he had his initials put on the stone by the way). This ceremony was attended with a great deal of pomp. A large platform was provided for those attending, which the Freeman’s Journal observed was ‘crowded with elegantly dressed females.’ He goes on to saw a Russian Horn Band was in attendance on the occasion, and added considerably to the effect of the ceremony by their wild and characteristic music. You can just imagine the noise and the music God save the King was performed at the commencement and conclusion of the ceremony. The work proceeded quickly and by the time the walls were up to roof level over £6,000 had been collected for the building fund. On 2 January 1834, just about two years later the church was blessed and opened for worship, and the old chapel on Townsend Street was finally abandoned. They did actually start building a chapel on Townsend Street but then they changed their mind. They’d actually got it up to wall plate level but they decided on the more prominent site here.

    In 1836 the large baroque statue of Saint Andrew with his cross, was erected. This was made by John Smyth whom we’ve already met in Saint Nicholas of Myra. It impressed the editor of the Catholic directory who wrote that it was the first piece of colossal statuary erected on any Catholic church in Ireland since the Reformation. Now it just might be worth noting that this was designed by James Bolger, who was appointed architect after the decision to abandon the partly built church in Townsend Street was taken. The architect of the Townsend Street church was John Leeson (who designed Saint Nicholas of Myra). I would have loved to see more by John Leeson. He didn’t like the idea of his church being abandoned and he embroiled himself in a public row with Dr Blake and half the parish; they were firing letters at each other through the Freeman’s Journal. Dr Blake mentioned something about dry rot or woodworm and then John Leeson got up on his high horse and said what do you know about dry rot, you’re only a priest, you’re only a parish priest; you know nothing of dry rot. He didn’t like that and John Leeson never designed a Catholic church again as far as I know which is a pity really. So having good social skills is as important as having good architectural skills.

    So I’ll just show you a few pictures of the church. Another splendid church! I think characteristic of Bolger is these little lunette windows at high level and the way he articulates the wall. We’ll see that in Adam and Eve’s presently. Now we haven’t got apostles there but we have got the four evangelists in the corner and maybe they’re doctors of the church. You can see some similarity between that and Saint Nicholas of Myra so you wonder really what is going on. You can just imagine James Bolger being handed John Leeson’s design and asked can you adapt that. Now this is the church in the 1930s and we can see here the rails for segregating the congregation. The poor people here had some seating but not all that much there was plenty of room for standing as you can see there as well. But the opulent members of society had these good seats here.

    Now we are going to stay with James Bolger and go on to Adam and Eve’s on Merchants’ Quay and we’re in 1834 now. When Father Miley preached his sermon in Saint Audoen’s in 1841 Adam and Eve’s was almost finished, and on 15 November 1842 was dedicated. Its building was the responsibility of the Franciscans and its realisation represents their successful establishment after a difficult history in Ireland after the dissolution of the monasteries in the late 1530s when most of the monks left the country or were driven underground. Sometime after 1615 the Franciscans returned to Dublin and opened a chapel in a lane off Cook Street near a public house called Adam and Eve. The name endured as the popular name for the present church of Saint Francis of Assisium, Merchants’ Quay. In 1757 the friars purchased a house in Merchants’ Quay which was fitted up as a friary. Later they acquired the site of the old Rosemary Lane chapel of Saint Michael, which lay up against their own. It seems that the high altar of Saint Michael’s was exactly where the altar of the new church was to be. The foundation stone was laid for the new church on 16 April 1834 by Reverend Henry Hughes, the guardian of the Franciscan Priory. It was considered important that the location of the new church was on the same ‘venerable spot’ as the old church. Not much of James Bolger’s original design remains. Here’s the original church here, parts of the transept remained and you can see the same detailing there as we saw in Saint Andrews with the lunette windows and the articulation on the wall. I’ll just show you here they followed the old idea of big balconies. Originally it was a T-plan and there were three balconies, one in each transept and one in the nave. This photograph was taken from the balcony in the nave. You can see the way the congregation was segregated there as well. Eventually they got their façade on Merchant’s Quay. This was designed by Patrick Byrne and built in the 1860s.

    Now there’s not much to say about this because there is nothing to see, it’s gone. This is the Dominican church on Denmark Street which is really somewhere in the middle of the Ilac Shopping Centre. But a little lane you could approach it by is still there, it’s called chapel lane although the name is not on the wall but it’s between Penny’s and the Ilac Centre. It was converted for a school when the Dominicans built their new church in the 1860s in Dominic Street.

    Now this is Saint Paul’s on Arran Quay, 1835. It is mentioned by Miley as well. It makes a strong visual impression on the Liffey Quays. It is the first prominent building that you can see from the western approaches to the city. The Catholic Penny Magazine published an engraving of the façade and a description of the church in its edition of 10th January 1835. The writer thought that the new church was ‘likely to become one of the principal architectural ornaments of our city.’ The portico of Saint Paul’s is built of granite, following the example of Saint Francis Xavier’s, which broke the tradition of using a combination of Portland stone and granite, which was initiated in Dublin in the early 18th century with the Parliament building. This use of granite in the portico was a source of satisfaction for the editor of the Catholic directory, William J. Battersby, who noted that until recently it was ‘considered indispensable to send to the sister country for large blocks of stone required for the columns and architrave of a large portico.’. Well it took a while to build the portico but it was eventually finished and paid for in 1842. A considerable portion of money went into creating a big façade because the accommodation is quite modest really.

    I’m really impressed with the stone carving of this church and these ionic columns here, which are copied from those on the Erechtheum on the Acropolis in Athens. It is carved with very great detail but they are very hard on stone so that must have taken ages to do. It was built pretty much as designed. The one thing that was omitted though was the fluting in the columns and Patrick Byrne was well aware that although this was the correct way to make the columns the sunlight of this South-facing building would be caught in the fine detail of stone there and would show it to great effect. There were to be three windows here but now they are lit from above, the doors were to be of equal height but that was changed.

    In many respects the interior of Saint Paul’s owes something to Our Lady of Mount Carmel, the Carmelite church that we have already looked at. There is a lot in common in the two churches, the shallow barrel vault, the Greek detailing from the Erectheum, and the articulation of the external walls. Even the site restrictions are similar and both churches have to have very narrow naves. In fact the site restrictions are so much in this church that the front façade is aligned with Arran Quay and the side of the building is aligned with Lincoln Lane and it is not quite rectangular. There is a slight twisting of the axis there but you don’t notice that. I really think that Patrick Byrne was well versed in classical architecture and knew that the ancient Romans would do this with city gates where they just changed the alignment.

    One of the things about this church was it had wonderful bells in it called joy bells and they were popular with the people of Dublin and according to Nicholas Donnelly they came in their thousands to hear the bells rung for the first time. The bells were rung every Sunday and on special days (according to the Catholic Directory) ‘… by select and judicious persons chosen and adapted for that important purpose.’ They were made by James Sheridan, of the Eagle Foundry, Church Street. Sheridan was pleased with his work and placed an advertisement in the Catholic Directory describing the bells and the ‘great delight and satisfaction of the assembled thousands who came to witness the reviving sounds of Irish Christianity.’ He praised the parish priest Dr Yore whom he said, ‘whose patrician love for Ireland induced him to get them here, notwithstanding the allurements held out by the London bell-makers.’ (I often thought it would have been a great Millennium project to restore these bells and ring them and I would love to have the sounds of them for you.)

    I will finish with one church not mentioned by Father Miley, that is Saint Audoen’s. Of course he couldn’t have mentioned it because it had not been built. His sermon was preached on 24 August 1841 in the old Saint Audoen’s and was intended to help raise funds for the new Saint Audoen’s whose foundation stone had been laid on 2 July that year. Two years later the Catholic Directory announced that the church
    ‘already raises its lofty head over the city’.
    It does look impressive because the ground slopes back there and in fact there is a double basement underneath it so it is really lofty.

    Saint Audoen’s was designed by Patrick Byrne using a cruciform plan. There is one entrance under the portico through a round-headed doorway. Then we have a little blind doorway on either side and niches above and this is repeated in the interior. It was intended to have statues of the apostles in these.

    Here we have the interior and much of this original neo-classical chasteness remains. It really is a beautiful church. One thing I would like to point out to you is that here he has the lighting in the vaults itself. This was a device intended for the Pro-Cathedral. So here we have a little bit of the ideas of the Pro-Cathedral coming here to Saint Audoen’s. The whole interior is articulated with these Corinthian pilasters. No great big balcony like the balcony he had to put in Saint Paul’s but now the balcony is almost like a piece of furniture detached from the walls.

    I would like to say here that Saint Audoen’s owes something also to Saint Francis Xavier and Patrick Byrne and John B Keane (the architect of Saint Francis Xavier) knew each other. They sat together on the council of the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland. In my imagination I just imagine the parish priest saying to Patrick Byrne I want something like Saint Francis Xavier except a little bit bigger. This is really a possibility because I have noticed that the proportions are quite similar. There is Saint Audoen’s on the left and Saint Francis Xavier on the right and I see similarities in the proportions there – shallow transept, shallow sanctuary as it was when it was built first but just enlarged a little bigger. So I think it owes something to Rome, it owes something to Paris, to the Pro-Cathedral with the lighting. If we sit it amongst some churches from the same era or before from Paris it doesn’t look out of place. I think if you came across a church like this in Paris you wouldn’t feel that there was anything wrong. So there it is sitting among the churches in Paris.

    Lord Mayor, ladies and gentlemen we have reached the end of our tour of the churches mentioned with such pride by Dr John Miley 169 years ago and which deserve our love and attention as a valuable part of our architectural and cultural heritage.

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    apelles
    Participant

    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Is this the same church on which ABP refused a smilar plan in 2007? If I am not mistaken, Waterford City Council even obliged by removing the church from the list of protected structures.

    The case history is here:
    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/221022.htm

    A few insights of interest from that report Praxiteles . .

    Five existing stained glass windows are to be removed and relocated elsewhere on the
    site. The new location is not known or identified on the plans1.

    But . .

    1 Documentation submitted to the planning authority in support of the removal of the church from the RPS, indicated that they (The stained glass windows) would be used in the glazed sacristy wall. Drawings submitted with the application indicated that this wall will be provided as double glazing, however.

    Then..

    The removal of the church from the record of protected structures was done against
    technical advice and was done after lodgement of the application.

    And . .

    There are suggestions in internal planning authority reports to the possibility that the architect, A.W.N. Pugin,designed the entrance porch.
    Similarly, there is reference to the construction of the main
    body of the church in the early 19th century rather than the 1870’s as identified in the
    NIAH, which date refers to the construction of the entrance porch.
    The church was a protected structure until its deletion from the RPS in June 2006,
    contrary to technical advice in this regard. Documentation available in relation to the
    decision to remove its protected status suggests that the decision was taken to allow the
    extension / demolition of the structure to provide additional capacity. It does not appear
    that consideration was given as to whether the protection of the structure was warranted
    any longer. Notwithstanding comments by the third parties, this report is not the
    appropriate forum to examine the process undertaken in removing the structure from the
    RPS.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774213
    apelles
    Participant

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Heritage Council got each county to follow this Monaghan example, then combine all the collected information on Ireland’s Churches together to form one unique database. . .Then again, maybe that’s already the long term goal.

    County Monaghan Church Inventory and Guide

    Terms of reference
    Invitation to tender
    All tenders must be submitted in writing and marked
    County Monaghan Church Survey and addressed to
    Senior Executive Officer, Corporate Affairs, Monaghan County Council,
    The Glen, Monaghan by 19th March 2010, at 4.30pm.
    This project will implement part of the County Monaghan Heritage Plan 2006 –
    2010, and jointly funded by Monaghan County Council, the Heritage Council and
    supported by the County Monaghan Heritage Forum.
    Introduction
    The majority of people in Ireland have a religious affiliation, and church buildings
    matter to those of all faiths and none. Churches are often the only architect designed
    building in small rural communities. Church building has been a major
    stimulus to the development of architecture and architectural decoration in
    Ireland. The various building techniques and crafts using stone, wood, metal,
    paint and glass add to their influence. The portfolio of heritage assets,
    represented by churches, has been the focal point for the community for
    generations, and more recently has a key role to play in tourism. Churches are
    buildings of cultural merit; they are historic places and landmarks as well as
    places of public worship. There is value in recording their architecture and
    explaining its significance for dissemination among the congregation and more
    widely within in the county.
    There are 23 civil parishes in Co. Monaghan, which is entirely in the Roman
    Catholic Diocese of Clogher. Church of Ireland parishes generally follow the same
    pattern. Many smaller religious affiliations also built or maintain places of
    worship. Chapels and mausolea have also been built in graveyards. Some have
    fallen out of use, or have non-religious current uses. Different figures exist as to
    the number of churches in the county. The Heritage Council Ecclesiastical Survey
    (incomplete) indicates a figure of about 75 churches in the county. However,
    there are 90 churches on the Record of Protected Structures in Co. Monaghan and
    in 2006 Monaghan County Council identified a further four churches of
    architectural merit. The County Monaghan Graveyards Survey (1998, McMahon
    and O’Neil) indicates that there may be as many as 130 churches.
    Objective
    To create an up-to-date inventory of churches in Monaghan and to raise
    awareness of importance of church buildings in the county.
    Aims
    The aims of the project are:
     To identify, map, photograph and record all past or present post-1700
    buildings that were originally churches, chapels and mausolea in Co.
    Monaghan to NIAH standard.
     To determine the current use of the church.
     To identify the condition of the buildings utilizing the National Inventory of
    Architectural Heritage ‘condition’ criteria.’
     To identify and photograph any associated buildings on site.
     To identify if a burial ground is attached, and the extent of their historic
    area.
     To compile text and images for a guide to churches in the county that will
    include easily accessible location information.
    Outputs of the project are:
     Written report and inventory on the Churches of Co. Monaghan
     Access database of churches of County Monaghan.
     Photographic archive.
     Guide to churches in County Monaghan. Monaghan County Council will
    arrange design and printing of the guide. The text and photographs will
    be provided by the successful contractor for this project. It is intended that
    the guide will be ready for distribution by December 2010.
    Additional project details
    Monaghan County Council has up to date information on about 10 churches,
    through applications to the conservation grant scheme or declarations. There will
    be no need to repeat surveys in these instances, although the details must be
    included in the inventory.
    The successful contractor will liaise with representatives from the church and
    religious bodies prior to the commencement of the project.
    Required outputs
    1. Detailed written report including an executive summary and an inventory
    of the churches in County Monaghan.
    2. Electronic database inventory.
    3. Photographic archive: Digital photographs showing elevations of each
    church, architectural detail and detail to interior.
    4. Text and images for a publication on County Monaghan Churches.
    5. Lecture or tour, devised in agreement with the Heritage Officer, to
    illustrate the highlights of the survey findings, to take place during Heritage Week
    (21st – 29th August)
    6. Presentation to a meeting of Monaghan County Council (or the Heritage
    Forum), if requested, after the completion of the project.
    On completion of the project the following should be provided:
     5 hard copies of the project report, including one unbound.
     5 electronic copies of the report
     Electronic copies of all maps etc. Base maps on Map Info can be provided
    by Monaghan County Council to the consultant.
     5 CD-ROM containing all digital photographs from the project.
     Text and images for the publication.

    The full PDF

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    apelles
    Participant

    Another one here.With links to plans & elevations to view at the foot of the post.
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    Project Title:
    Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saggart, Rathcoole, Co. Dublin

    Proposed renovation and improvement works to include: demolition of the existing Sacristy, and its replacement with a new single storey extension (45.9m2) to the south east elevation. Proposed new vehicular entrance, surface car-park with hard and soft landscaping, external works to include 1 no. access ramp, re-pointing and re-roofing and ancillary repair and site works; internal works to include repair and modification works, new glazed side entrance lobby, new gallery over retained timber lobby, stairs to new gallery, ramping for disabled person access, new finishings and floors.

    Site address: Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saggart, Rathcoole, Co. Dublin.
    RPS: Protected Structure (325 & 328 RPS)
    325 – Limestone Church, Tower and drinking Trough
    328 – Church, stone head crosses, grave slab etc.

    O.S Map reference: 3388-25

    Approx. size of site: 1.4 Acres

    Existing Gross Floor Area: Church: 709.05m2, Parochial House: 116m2

    Area of demolition works: Sacristy: 23.48m2

    Proposed gross floor area of new works: 91.4m2 (new sacristy, new gallery)

    Description of Development

    1.0 Site Location and Description

    The subject site is located to the east of Saggart village centre accessed from Garters Lane, Saggart, Rathcoole, Co. Dublin. Saggart. The village of Saggart, which lies between the villages of Tallaght and Rathcoole is on the road from Tallaght to Blessington or vice versa. Neighbouring to the west are private residential dwellings and to the south and east undeveloped green fields. East of the back-lands is the City West Development and south of the green fields are GAA playing pitches. Opposite the church is the entrance leading to the cemetery in the north of the village as well as individual dwellings and a service station. The Church currently exists on an “L-shaped” site covering approximately 1.4 acres which includes the parochial house in its boundaries with the Greenfield site to the south and east.

    The site is accessible via pedestrian gates and a vehicular entrance located north of the site off Garters Lane. Currently no vehicular access or parking is provided on the site. The parochial house has its own vehicular entrance off Garters Lane. The site is covered with tended grass lawns bisected by tarmac footpaths. There are a number of coniferous and deciduous trees on the site. There are further lands surrounding the church and parochial house to the east and south which are believed to be in church ownership.

    Work on the construction of the Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary commenced in 1844 but consisted mainly of the foundations. Work on the structure began in 1847 and the dedication took place on the 19th of August 1849 by the Archbishop of Dublin. It has a strong presence in the village with a large forecourt and grounds which enhance its setting. The parochial house adjacent was constructed during the same period. It is a cruciform Gothic Revival Church designed by an unknown architect.

    Internally the church has many features of interest including a distinctive sex-partite vaulted ceiling with plaster moulded ribs and decorative floral bosses to the nave, transepts and chancel area. Much of this is currently in poor condition. The white marble relief located to the right of the aisle was transferred from the original church on the site.

    The building has seen many changes and additions since its inception, most notably in the layout of its footprint. The church appears to have originally been cruciform in plan with a vestry room and a pair of projecting rooms to the south. There is a square plan tower over the entrance. In the late nineteenth century a meeting hall was added and the two small projecting rooms were removed. In the mid-twentieth century the layout of the vestry room was changed.

    The changes and additions which have taken place since the churches inception were completed in sympathy to the building in response to its evolving needs. It is hoped that the current proposals will similarly become an integral part of the church’s history.

    1.1 Description of Structure
    General
    The overall composition of the church is freestanding, pointed-gothic, cruciform-plan Roman Catholic Church, c. 1848, set on a South-North axis having a square-plan three stage tower to the north and a chancel to the south with a vestry room to the east of the chancel and a community hall that was added c.1890 to the west of the chancel. To the northern wall of the western transept is a double-pitched projecting chapel. The church nave is composed of four bays with pointed arch window openings, to the gable ends of the transepts, pointed arch window with intersecting tracery. To the chancel is a pointed arch triple lancet window with stained glass. The church is set back from the road within its own grounds bounded by rubble plinth wall to front with wrought-iron railings. To the east of the church is a detached three-bay two-storey presbytery.

    2.0 Development Plan
    Record of Protected Structures: Ref. 325 & 328
    Under the current South Dublin County Council Development Plan 2004-2010, the subject area has a zoning:

    Objective LC:‘To protect, provide for and/or improve Local Centre Facilities’.

    Lands east and west of the subject site:
    Objective A:‘To protect and/or improve Residential Amenity.’

    Lands to the south of the subject site
    Objective GB: ‘To preserve a “Green Belt” between development areas’.

    The subject site is located in an Area or Archaeological Potential Ref. 021-034 – Record of Monuments & Places due to a cluster of Recorded Monuments and Protected Structures.

    3.0 Proposed Development

    SCHEDULE OF WORKS

    DEMOLITION
    External
    D1 Removal of existing single storey Sacristy on south east side of Church.
    D2 Removal of existing oil storage at rear of church.

    Internal
    D3 Removal of existing gallery over timber entrance lobby and access stairs.
    D4 Removal of existing plywood draft lobby at side entrance.

    NEW WORKS
    External
    01 Proposed replacement single storey extension to the south east of the existing structure to contain store room, sacristy and disabled W.C..

    Landscape
    02 Proposed external lighting with hard and soft landscaping.
    03 Remove and replace the existing concrete footpath and surface finish around the existing church structure with porous gravel.

    An Archaeological Report. Preliminary Report is to be prepared as part of the Planning Submission.

    Access
    04 External dished disabled access located at the north east entrance to the church.
    05 External ramp access to Day Chapel located on the south west elevation
    06 Proposed access ramp to new single storey sacristy located on the south east side of the church.

    Roofs
    07 Re-slate existing roof using salvaged slates where possible to match existing.
    08 Replace lead roof to tower
    09 Re-roof external boiler house to match existing slate roof.

    Rainwater goods
    10 Replacement of all rainwater goods with cast iron to match existing.

    Services
    11 Proposed upgrading of existing surface and foul drainage.

    External Render
    12 Remove existing sand and cement pointing and all render to exterior.
    13 Re-point external elevations using a hydraulic lime pointing and render to conservation architects recommendations.

    Internal

    Access
    14 New glazed internal draught lobby located in transept in lieu of existing plywood enclosure.
    15 Alterations to existing entrance lobby where applicable to enable extension of gallery above.
    16 Removable ramps to access sacristy and day chapel.

    Gallery
    17 Proposed extension to existing gallery at first floor level over main entrance with new supporting structure and access stairway.

    Storage
    18 Storage area to be provided within new stairway to gallery and on opposite side under gallery.

    New Shrine
    19 Proposed side alter shrine with new floor finish and lighting.

    Floors
    20 Remove existing vinyl floor tiles and replace with new tiled floor covering subject to Asbestos Report.
    21 Repair timber floors in tower structure where decayed.
    2 Repair alter floor – letter motif and gold mosaics.

    Windows
    23 Retain and repair where applicable stained glass windows throughout the church.

    Walls
    24 Repair works to be carried out on plaster where damaged internally.
    25 Internal re-decorating on completion of repair works.

    Roof
    26 Inspections to be carried out on roof timbers and repair works where trusses decayed.
    27 Replace existing splices and repair purlins at gables.

    Services
    28 Upgrade existing mechanical & electrical services – main distribution board, power outlets, lighting, fire and intruder alarm, CCTV, sound system, heating, ventilation.

    Furniture
    29 Original Church pews 24No. located in the transcept are to be retained and non-original Church pews located in the Nave are to be replaced. The design of the benches to be replaced will be of similar design to those to be retained.
    30 Re-locate altar 300mm back than as existing.
    31 Provide new frames to the Stations of the Cross where previously affected by woodworm.
    32 Existing Prayer Room to be refurbished and redecorated.

    4.0 Plans
    Plan 1 – Site plan
    Plan 2 – Ground floor, gallery
    Plan 3– Upper Gallery and room plan
    Plan 4– Front and rear elevation
    Plan 5 – Elevation and Section A-A
    Plan 6 – Elevation and Section B-B

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    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774198
    apelles
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    From Here.

    Tom O’Brien Construction Ltd has commenced work on St Mary’s Church in Ballygunner. The work will consist of alterations and restorations to the existing church including extensions to the South and East wings that will increase the seating capacity from 213 to 419. Currently the existing church is too small for many functions due to the fast growing population of the parish.

    The church was originally constructed in the 1820’s on the site of the older thatched chapel. An extract from the Parochial History of Waterford and Lismore dated December 1912 stated that “The Church of Ballygunner is cruciform in plan, small in size and plain in style and has always been regarded as a model country church”. Although works have taken place over the years, the facilities needed to be modernised. The Architect, Tritschler Tritschler & Associates will however maintain the integrity of the existing building by minimising demolition works and restoring many of the existing historical features.

    Martin Tritschler believes that the proposed works “will provide a modern, comfortable place of worship for the people of the parish of St. Joesph’s, St Benildus and St Mary’s Ballygunner, while at the same time retaining some historical features of the original church.”

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774191
    apelles
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    If that Ballyroan church revamp gets the go ahead I suppose it will end up something like this one in Banagher in County Offaly

    “Let bishops carefully remove from the house of God and from other sacred places those works of artists which are repugnant to faith, morals, and Christian piety, and which offend true religious sense either by depraved forms or by lack of artistic worth, mediocrity and pretense.”

    The Madonna and Child carved (1974) in wood and polychromed and artistically called a Mandorla (Italian for almond shaped) is by Imogen Stuart, Berlin born daughter in law of novelist Francis Stuart. The artist said that she wanted this Madonna to be simple, joyful and tender with an atmosphere of intimacy, devotion and quietness something where people can turn to perhaps after coming out of confession …….

    Her work in Ireland includes the nine bronze panels on the great west door way of Galway Cathedral, the bronze figure of St. Michael and the dragon over the main door of St. Michael’s Church, Dun Laoghaire, the Stations of the Cross at the magnificently restored Ballintubber Abbey, Co. Mayo, the altar and most of the sanctuary in nearby Lorrha Church and “The Three Children” on the Green, Tyrrelspass, Co. Westmeath.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #774186
    apelles
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    Yep Lads. . They quite literally ripped the feckin guts out of it. . I wonder what became of all the original fixtures & fittings? And I also wonder was there much of a furore about it at the time . . Or was it all the usual ‘cloak & dagger stuff’ with few really knowing what was happening until it was to late . . I’d really like to imagine them not getting away with that type of vandalism today, especially on that scale & on such an historically important building. . Is there enough public awareness of this cause to prevent the likes of this disaster from reoccurring by today’s standards? If not. . What can be done to increase it?

    And sometimes . .I wonder . . if I ‘wonder’ to much! 😉

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    apelles
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    More on St.Saviors plagiarized by me from here
    Reading through the whole article you cant help but notice a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the wreckage done at St.Saviors by Hurley & Co. .by whoever wrote it. . Be it a very subtle tinge of resentfulness or disapproval in tone.

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    The church in recent years Much has changed in the interior of the church in recent decades. In response to the liturgical reforms called for after the Second Vatican Council of the Catholic Church, the sanctuary area of the building was drastically re-modelled under distinguished architect Richard Hurley. Practically everything of the old altars and the associated decoration was removed and the sanctuary extended.
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    The tabernacle and the crucifix suspended over the main altar are the work of the late Br. Benedict Tutty OSB (a monk of Glenstal, Limerick, Ireland) who died in 1996. Ray Carroll (died 1995) carved the tabernacle pillar.
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    Above the stalls in the apse (below the windows) is a piece by Irish artist, Patrick Pye. It is entitled “The Path of the Lamb” and depicts various scenes around the central mystery of the Christian faith: the Paschal Mystery of the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus. It is appropriate that an artistic representation of the events of this mystery be present in a central position in the church. The sacramental celebration of the Paschal Mystery, the Eucharist (Mass), is celebrated here on every day of the year with two exceptions: Good Friday and Holy Saturday.
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    In the apse of the church, the original choir stalls (seating 28) remain. These had been hidden behind the church’s original high altar and the area formed a mini-chapel for the singing of the Liturgy of the Hours (Morning Prayer, Evening Prayer, etc.) by the Dominican friars. The choir had not been a part of the main body of the church until the 1970s. The long sanctuary is now used by the friars for these liturgies.

    An almighty & holy unnecessary act of wanton destruction on one of J.J. McCarthy’s finest ever churches. . I wonder how those responsible who are still with us, cannot look back at what they achieved here & not hang their heads in shame.

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    ARCHITECT DUNCAN STROIK ASKS ‘IS THERE A SACRED ARCHITECTURE?’ AT HESBURGH LECTURE

    Duncan G. Stroik, M. Arch. Duncan Stroik, University of Notre Dame professor and renowned practitioner of Catholic architecture, captivated an audience Thursday evening, March 4, at Sacred Heart University’s Schine Auditorium with a lecture that addressed the question, “Is There a Sacred Architecture?”

    The event was part of Notre Dame’s annual Hesburgh Alumni Lecture, and was sponsored by the University of Notre Dame’s Alumni Association and in conjunction with Sacred Heart University’s University College. The Hesburgh Lecture is named for the legendary Father Theodore M. Hesburgh, who served for 35 years as the president of the University of Notre Dame.

    It was also presented as part of the Human Journey Colloquia Series and is an element of the Year of the Chapel, a year-long series of events at Sacred Heart to celebrate the opening of its new Chapel of the Holy Spirit.

    Dr. David Coppola talked about the symbolism of the mosaics in SHU’s new Chapel of the Holy Spirit The event was followed by a tour of the Chapel of the Holy Spirit by Vice President of Strategic Planning and Administration David Coppola, Ph.D. Dr. Coppola gave attendees an in-depth look at the chapel, explaining the symbolism of the original mosaics by renowned Jesuit artist Father Marko Ivan Rupnik. Since its creation, Sacred Heart’s chapel has garnered widespread attention and praise.

    In 1998, Mr. Stroik founded the journal titled “Sacred Architecture,” which is
    devoted exclusively to issues of church architecture. “Twelve years ago when we founded the journal and titled it ‘Sacred Architecture,’ liturgists and architects thought I was crazy and that the sacred was irrelevant today. Yet, now it is a buzzword for many in the field,” he said.

    Mr. Stroik received his architectural education from the University of Virginia and Yale University. Following graduation, he served as a project designer for the architect Allan Greenberg, with whom he designed a number of prestigious civic, institutional, collegiate and residential projects. In 1990, Mr. Stroik was invited to help form and implement a new curriculum in classical architecture at the University of Notre Dame. He is also the principal of Duncan G. Stroik Architect, LLC also located in South Bend, Ind.

    During his lecture, Mr. Stroik reflected on the importance of chapels and church architecture in colleges, and showed photographs of some of his projects that include the design of the chapel of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity at St. Thomas Aquinas College in Santa Paula, Calif. Mr. Stroik said the central location of the chapel on the St. Thomas Aquinas campus “reflects the central role of faith in the pursuit of wisdom.”

    Like St. Thomas Aquinas’ chapel location, Sacred Heart University’s chapel is prominently located in the heart of its campus, underscoring the University’s dedication to the pursuit and expression of faith and its foundation in the Catholic intellectual tradition.

    “Many Catholics believe the adage that the study of liturgy should inform the design of churches, as well as the reverse, that the architecture of our churches informs the liturgy,” said Mr. Stroik. “The idea that the understanding of liturgy or theology is necessary to design a Catholic church has been foundational for church architecture since Vatican II and has even spawned a new type of expert, the Liturgical Design Consultant.”

    Mr. Stroik said that according to the ancient architect Vitruvius, there are three major principles of architecture: Firmitas, Utilitas and Venustas. “These principles of Durability, Convenience and Beauty make clear the importance of durable construction, the ennoblement of function, and visual beauty to the definition of architecture,” he said. “These principles apply to all architecture including the architecture of the church.”

    Mr. Stroik said that as an architect and a teacher, he is engaged daily with the exigencies of budgets, building codes, and worrying how to keep water out of a building.

    “To conceive of the church first of all in theological terms before getting into the requirements for the liturgy, the limitations of the budget, space requirements, or the specific language or character of the building, allows us to see the big picture,” said Mr. Stroik. “These requirements are certainly important issues in the design of a church, but if we get sidetracked by them, we are often left with a compromised building.”

    “However, I believe that the crucial issue in church architecture today is the development of the theological understanding of the ‘church as a sacred place,'” said Mr. Stroik.

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    Heavens above… Cathedral roofers stop mugger
    Four men working on the roof of St Mel’s Cathedral
    apprehended a mugger last week.

    “I wasn’t worried – when I saw the poor old lady on the footpath I had to try and stop him”
    Niall Headen
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    Published Date:
    30 July 2010

    By Ailbhe Gillespie
    It may have been the hand of God, or it might have been just good luck, either way, the heavenly view afforded to workers on the roof of St Mel’s Cathedral led to the arrest of a mugger this week.
    Four men working on the roof of the Cathedral became have-a-go heroes when they apprehended a mugger and kept him secure until the Gardai arrived on the scene last week.

    The drama began with an elderly local woman walking along St Mel’s Road when a man came from behind her and pushed her to the ground.

    He then snatched her handbag and attempted to make his escape. However Niall Headen from Abbeyleix, who was working on the temporary roof of St Mel’s Cathedral had a bird’s eye view of what was happening, and was determined not to let the man get away.

    “I was working on the gable end of the roof away from the bell tower when I saw a man running up the footpath and knock the woman to the ground. I saw him snatch her handbag – I was on the ridge of the roof and could see where he was going. I shouted to a man on the street to stop him but he didn’t so I lowered myself down to the ground and ran after him. I caught him just outside of the priest’s house.”

    At this stage three other men working on the site, including two local men, who wish to remain anonymous, tied up the mugger with a rope and immediately called the Gardai.

    They held him down and then waited for members of the Longford Gardai to arrive before handing them back the lady’s handbag and its contents.

    When asked if he was nervous attempting to apprehend the mugger Niall said he didn’t give a second thought to his own safety: “I wasn’t worried – when I saw the poor old lady on the footpath I had to try and stop him. We were all delighted she got her handbag back – it was our good deed for the week.”

    A spokesperson from the Longford Gardai said that the workers’ actions were very helpful to the Gardai investigating the matter.

    The woman who was attacked, was said to be very shocked by the incident, and received medical treatment for minor injuries afterwards.

    The perpetrator was arrested and appeared at Longford District Court where he was charged with robbery and remanded in custody for one week. He is due to appear in court again this week.

    apelles
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    The Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, Borrisoleigh, Co. Tipperary by Walter Doolin (1892)

    Perhaps James1852 might know something about the decoration of the apse and the other stencil work.

    Found It!

    apelles
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    Which Church is this? I’m fairly sure I took it off this thread but am having no luck finding it again.

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