O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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Couldn’t believe the Γ’βΒ¬700,000 price achieved – especially with one of the Proclamations not even reaching its reserve a few weeks ago.
As Greg F mentioned earlier, the O’ Rahilly plaque erected off Moore St recently looks very well; the fluted scroll-and-ribbon detail very much so of its time.
It is a pity that it made such a high price from a State point of view but i’m sure that the vendors are delighted nearly nine times the guideprice. I can understand it to a certain extent in that it was a one off unlike the proclamation of which there are a number of copies and thousands of photocopies on many Irish pub walls both home and away.
Does anyone have any images of the O’ Rahilly plaque recently erected, I haven’t been ‘off Moore St’ in a while π
A pretty interesting piece of paper that obviously has been in a private collection for a long time, I for one would love to know what it said, I can only hope that a University has bought it.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
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Was aware of the general content of the 2000 Act pertaining to protected strructures, and the establishment of the ACA concept, but that is all.
What is an ACA?
ACA
Architectural Conservation Area
Dublin City Development Plan 2005-11 wrote:10.2.3 Architectural Conservation Areas
The Local Government (Planning and Development) Act, 1999, introduced for
the first time in Irish planning legislation the concept of an architectural
conservation area. The Dublin City Development Plan, 1999, was amended
to designate O’]Part 2 to follow
Thomond Park wrote:10.2.4 Approach to designation of Architectural Conservation AreasThe designation of areas as architectural conservation areas has to be considered in the context of zoning and other policies pertaining to the protection of the built heritage. The Dublin City Development Plan, 1999,
contains three zoning objectives for protecting the built heritage i.e. the Z2 zone (residential conservation areas), the Z8 zone (which represents primarily the Georgian areas) and the red-hatched areas (conservation areas). As it is proposed to retain these zoning measures in this plan, the designation of architectural conservation areas is considered to be a separate measure for protecting the built heritage. Architectural conservation areas will be designated where the Planning Authority is of the opinion that its inclusion is
necessary for the preservation of the character of an area.The following criteria will be applied when selecting areas for designation as architectural conservation areas:
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Areas of Special Planning Control in Architectural Conservation Areas to follow
The importance of O’Connell St being designated an ACA, just like so many other areas that have been designated as such, is that the character of the whole area is protected, regardless of whether certain buildings are protected structures or not.
As the ACA points out: “Owners and occupiers of non-protected structures located within the OΓ’β¬β’Connell Street
Architectural Conservation Area should note that the normal exemptions from seeking planning permission pertaining to certain type of developments under the Local Government (Planning and Development) Regulations 1994-1999 will no longer apply.”No doubt Thomond Park will bombard us with relevant Special Planning Control Scheme material :), so I won’t go into much other that it is defined as: Γ’β¬Λall or part of an Architectural Conservation Area that is of special importance to the civic life or the architectural, historical, cultural or social character of a city or town in which it is situatedΓ’β¬β’.
In the case of O’Connell St, it elaborates in great detail on the content of the ACA. In physical terms it also covers the same area as the ACA. As you’d expect it lists and defines many types of uses that are deemed inappropriate and will not be permitted on the street in the future, and many types of future development stipulations such as signage, entrances, uses above ground floors etc.
But despite the pages and pages and pages of these very detailed (and of course important) stipulations, there is a single paragraph above all that really stands out as important given the current condition of O’Cll St, esp Upper O’Cll St. All of the planning content of the ACA and the SPCS refers to future development.
But in terms of the existing inappropriate uses, architecture and features, this tiny little paragraph is crucial:“Where non-desirable uses continue to operate in a manner and form that detract
from the quality and character of the street, the planning authority may seek to enter
into negotiations with the relevant owner/occupier. In this regard and depending on
the specific circumstances of each case, the planning authority may require the
owners/occupiers to either implement a programme of works to eliminate the
problems associated with such a use – or to cease operating the use.”Continues:
The programme of works required by the City Council may include the following:
. The remodelling and upgrading of shopfronts and associated signage
. The provision of imaginative shopfront displays for all premises with a ground
floor frontage onto the street. These displays should not be static or bland but
should be designed to create a lively presence on the street, while still reflecting
the character of the street. They should be subject to regular review.
. The installation and upgrading of air-handling systems
. The introduction of more effective and efficient litter and waste management
systems
. Strict compliance with Dublin City CouncilΓ’β¬β’s requirements for deliveries and
collections within the prescribed hours and outside the core trading period 10.00
a.m. to 4.00 p.m. within the OΓ’β¬β’Connell Street area.@Graham Hickey wrote:
No doubt Thomond Park will bombard us with relevant Special Planning Control Scheme material
Well seeing as you asked π
@Dublin City Development Plan 2005-11 wrote:
10.2.5 Areas of Special Planning Control in Architectural Conservation Areas
Areas of special planning control are designed to complement architectural conservation areas. An area of special planning control may be designated where a Planning Authority considers that all or part of an architectural conservation area is of special importance to the civic life or the architectural, historical, cultural or social character of the city.
Policy H18
It is the policy of Dublin City Council to prepare schemes for Areas of Special Planning Control, in instances where the schemes are important in the context of the city and not merely at local level.
Well I for one would consider that O’Connell St is the most important streetscape in the City on the basis of the scheme’s recent and ongoing expenditure.
It is very surprising that no moves have been made in relation to some of the worst shopfronts and signage on the Street given the powers they have. I must check out the Act to see what the exact position is in relation to this.
P & D Act 2000 wrote:PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACT, 2000 SECTION 81Architectural conservation areas. 81.—]
Section 82 to follow
P & D Act 2000 wrote:PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACT, 2000 SECTION 82Development in architectural conservation areas. 82.—]
Section 83 to follow
P & D Act 2000 wrote:PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACT, 2000 SECTION 83Power to acquire structure or other land in architectural conservation area. 83.—]
Section 84 to follow
@P & D Act 2000 wrote:
PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACT, 2000 SECTION 84
Area of special planning control. 84.—] (b) the preservation and protection of the environment, including the architectural, archaeological and natural heritage; [/B]
(c) the renewal, preservation, conservation, restoration, development or redevelopment of the streetscape, layout and building pattern, including the co-ordination and upgrading of shop frontages;
(d) the control of the layout of areas, density, building lines and height of structures and the treatment of spaces around and between structures;
(e) the control of the design, colour and materials of structures, in particular the type or quality of building materials used in structures;
(f) the promotion of the maintenance, repair or cleaning of structures;
(g) the promotion of an appropriate mix of uses of structures or other land;
(h) the control of any new or existing uses of structures or other land;
(i) the promotion of the development or redevelopment of derelict sites or vacant sites; or
(j) the regulation, restriction or control of the erection of advertisement structures and the exhibition of advertisements.
(3) A scheme prepared under subsection (1) shall be in writing and shall be consistent with the objectives of the relevant development plan and any local area plan or integrated area plan (within the meaning of the Urban Renewal Act, 1998) in force relating to the area to which the scheme relates.
(4) (a) A scheme prepared under subsection (1) shall indicate the period for which the scheme is to remain in force.
(b) A scheme may indicate the order in which it is proposed that the objectives of the scheme or provisions for their furtherance or attainment will be implemented.
(5) A scheme shall contain information, including information of such class or classes as may be prescribed by the Minister, on the likely significant effects on the environment of implementing the scheme.
(6) In this section, and sections 85 and 86—
“city” means a county borough;
“town” means a borough (other than a county borough), an urban district or a town having town commissioners that has a population in excess of 2,000.
Section 85 to follow
Does anyone have any information on what is going on on O’Connell Street? Have they finished it yet?
I wouldn’t know, but I think there are a few people here that are interested so they may be able to help…
Thanks for all that listing Thomond Park – the last posting of Section 84 in particular. It says it all.
Obviously one cannot just say right City Council, off you go now with files in hand to every property on the street.But at this stage I do not think it is too much to ask that certain key properties are taken in hand by the CC considering how much time has passed with nothing happening. An obvious target is the Joe Walsh Tours and ‘Come in And Visit’ block of three forming the corner with Henry St.
It has all five key elements in need of attention – appalling shopfronts, dilapidated upper floors – esp Joe Walsh, inappropriate signage, undesirable building uses, and protected structure status covering all buildings surprisingly with the exception of Joe Walsh Tours considering it is probably the oldest building surviving on the street.
Delightful sign upstairs too :rolleyes:
…in breach of the ACA and SPCS.
It’s stuff like this that is so irritating – letting market forces improve things is one way of doing things, but seven years passing and no attempt made at all to improve basic problems with the very worst and most prominent properties is just not acceptable.
To improve this block alone would make the world of difference to Upper O’Connell St. The view above is also that of the first view of the Street from North Earl St, especially for many people visiting from the North via Connolly.Saying this, I wouldn’t want a paintbrish to go near those facades unless a proper restoration was going to be carried out. An owner or occupier will quite likely hire out a firm to smother the facades, crumbling render and window reveals and all in sunset yellow, and leave it at that for another ten years to appease the CC. That is not not acceptable either. A full programme of works needs to be carried out, even the possibility of revealing Gardiner’s Georgian brick ought to be investigated with the help of the CC.
Also Joe Walsh Tours needs to emphasise its corner positioning a lot more, with the possibility of creating a corner entrance like was there originally (pic soon), and decent frontage onto Henry St as well as O’Cll St.
Sorry for being smart Boyler, but come on – there’s 24 million pages of info here, even the odd one will give you what you need π
Lower O’Connell St is largely finished in terms of public domain paving works etc, while Upper O’Cll St is just being started – in every sense…
It is getting to the stage where it will be necessary to compile a thread called ‘O’Connell Street the index’ π
@Graham Hickey wrote:
But at this stage I do not think it is too much to ask that certain key properties are taken in hand by the CC considering how much time has passed with nothing happening. An obvious target is the Joe Walsh Tours and ‘Come in And Visit’ block of three forming the corner with Henry St.
A block of three would have a dramatic positive impact.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
It has all five key elements in need of attention – appalling shopfronts, dilapidated upper floors – esp Joe Walsh, inappropriate signage, undesirable building uses, and protected structure status covering all buildings surprisingly with the exception of Joe Walsh Tours considering it is probably the oldest building surviving on the street.
Delightful sign upstairs too :rolleyes:All that signage is new, I would expect DCC enforcement to seek lease documentation to verify the length of tenancy and resulting illegal signage.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
…in breach of the ACA and SPCS.
It’s stuff like this that is so irritating – letting market forces improve things is one way of doing things, but seven years passing and no attempt made at all to improve basic problems with the very worst and most prominent properties is just not acceptable.
To improve this block alone would make the world of difference to Upper O’Connell St. The view above is also that of the first view of the Street from North Earl St, especially for many people visiting from the North via Connolly.This block is very visable from a long way out.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Saying this, I wouldn’t want a paintbrish to go near those facades unless a proper restoration was going to be carried out. An owner or occupier will quite likely hire out a firm to smother the facades, crumbling render and window reveals and all in sunset yellow, and leave it at that for another ten years to appease the CC. That is not not acceptable either. A full programme of works needs to be carried out, even the possibility of revealing Gardiner’s Georgian brick ought to be investigated with the help of the CC..
Definitely that facade will need extensive restorative treatment to eliminate the underlying neglect.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Also Joe Walsh Tours needs to emphasise its corner positioning a lot more, with the possibility of creating a corner entrance like was there originally (pic soon), and decent frontage onto Henry St as well as O’Cll St.
Given retail rents on Henry St vis-a-vis Upper O’Connell Street I’m sure JWT will make sure this never happens. π
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