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Hi Monty,
I have decided to fly with timber sashes, but thanks for information all the same! 😉 SineadGraham.
I certainly will post photos of he finished windows… Thanks again for all your useful advice and for getting me addicted to windows!!!!Graham,
Thanks for informative response once again. I met with the Owner and he had a look at the original pantry window, which has those old timber shutters also, he said this window is exactly the same as all the others were 😀
He also sorted out the door query, he said the ope size was never altered and that a large heavy timber door was in place.
Also the window catches are similar to the Edwardian type that you displayed on last post, as these are still on the pantry window, though they are not as fancy, I guess more of a traditional farmhouse style, but exact same in their design/shape. The Owner confirmed these existed on all other windows and that there were pulleys and wheels with weights previously, so its all looking good! Sale to close on house tomorrow, fingers crossed eight months later!!
Thanks for the cost implications also, good to know. I will also do a google search for more pictures, though we will probably get the joiner, to come to see the original windows, along with giving him specific sizes of the original. So my initial question has now been answered
I was in the car driving from Dublin to Limerick with my boyfriend yesterday, and I decided to read your reply to him, it was quiet funny when I got to the end, your warning about becoming a window fanatic, I had just pointed at probably every tenth house’s windows from Dublin to Limerick – So that made us laugh out loud:)Thanks again for all your information. I am delighted with it 😀
Graham,
Thanks for information on where to look for manufacturers, I found a list on foot of another post above on this site, on Georgian Society website, showing list of joiners, so I contacted a few of them in the Cork area and also have found a few on Goggle, in Co. Cork, who specialise in the making of timber sashes. To add to all of the confusion of the traditional windows, I am being told that I can get timber fittings or PVC by manufacturers; I would have assumed traditional timber sashes would have timber fittings or brass or something metal or whatever is appropriate of that time. This might explain why people end up with clunky windows and inappropriate styled windows, for some part.
So I will have to research traditional windows to a much greater detail, which I wouldn’t mind so much, if the information was readily available, but it does not appear to be, the most helpful information I have received so far, is from yourself, which is great, but it is a pity, that the manufacturers I have contacted seem to be depending on myself, to guide them, I don’t mind guiding them to year of house, style of house and even the number of panes/crossbars but fittings of trad timber windows, I would have imagined they should be the experts in, anyway I am going to have a good search this weekend and meet the owner again, I will bring the pictures you posted of the windows showing panes layout, one over one etc,.. He thinks this might help him remember. He didn’t mind the questions at all; he was delighted to hear we wanted to restore it to its original style. Nobody in his family was interested in the property, so they are happy someone else is. He is a very helpful man, so I hope the pictures help him remember the original windows and door.
There is one area in the house, the pantry that has an original window in it, the shutters were closed, and I did not notice it until my last visit. though this window is the smallest of the lot, it is similar to the frame shown in the picture you have posted directly above this post, and it is a one over one, I will ask Owner if the others were same, well, after showing him the pictures, this window was hidden away behind timber shutters, which were nailed closed, so I opened them the other day and found that little window, a wall has been erected, extension at outer side of this window, so we could not see it from outer side, this might explain a lot, I hope.
Also, I think you are correct in saying the cheapest is not necessarily the best, but the problem is, the horrible word “budget” young first time buyers! but we will certainly do our best to install most appropriate windows for age of house. :rolleyes:Devin, Thanks for that and joiner, though we will probably stay in Cork area, to make it easier, but will look into them, if they are good. Thanks
Sinead25 😮Graham, I meant the reveal thickness has been filled in with concrete or other, it looks like original door was wider and higher than the existing one. I asked previous owner about windows and doors, he does not remember windows, though he said they were “up down sliding” windows, and as for the door, he said there was a glazed panel somewhere near the top of the door and a glazed panel at one side full length of the door, he sad he will lokk for old photographs, though doesn’t think he has any.
Thanks for the information for joiners, because to be honest, I wouldn’t have a clue and might have stupidly assumed they know what they are doing, so I will now note the importance of the slenderness of the sash timbers and concealing as much of the holding frame as possible! And fingers crossed the finished product is suitable. I have found quiet a number of joiners, so I am just waiting on replies and then refernces before deciding on who to go with.
Than s for help, much appreciated 😉 Sinead25Thomand Park, Than kyou for directions to the National Museum Of Agriculture And Rural Life at Johnstown, I will certainly make a visit.
I have found a new problem with the house, or its front door, On a closer look at te front door externally, it looks like when the previous owners installed the new aluminium door, they filled about 150/200mm of the original perimeter ope, to fit the aluminium door. Would it be a good or a bad idea, to unfill it and try to reinstate original type of door, I imagine this is a timber door, with the possibility of a narrow glazed panel? Any ideas or thoughts welcome.
Sinead25Graham,
thansk for that. I have startd my search for manufactuer’s of timber sashes! so hopefully they won’t cost an arm and a leg, thoug hI am sure they would be worth it, from your comments. Thanks again! 🙂Hello,
Graham, thanks for insight into pvc windows, I wasn’t aware of the issues you mentioned in relation to the sustainability, or lack of through manufacturing and the disposal issues. I also thought new timber sashes would need painting almost on a yearly basis, so it is great to know that this is not the case. I will certainly look into manufacturers and get some costs. The house was built in 1905.
Thank You again for help, Sinead
Hello All,
Thank you for your interesting and informative responses, I would firstly like to say that I did not mean to generalise by saying “I think aluminium windows are horribleâ€, all I meant was that the particular windows on my house, at present, are in my opinion horrible pvc windows and though, through my limited knowledge of windows, recognise that the current windows are not appropriate for the age and style of the building. The existing pvc are out of place, on the house, which is why I posted a question on this site, to seek out information on what windows would be suitable, one thing I feel is that the current windows, are not suitable to be retained for use.
I must say I am quiet happy with a 15 to 20 year life span, if that’s what the lifespan of pvc windows is, I see their use as more practical, for my situation, as I would not like to have to sand and paint timber windows on a regular basis, as nice as they may look.
I am very happy with the various pictures of windows posted; I hope these might jog the neighbour’s memories as to the original windows. I will attach a photo taken closer to front of house, if this can help anyone get closer to understanding what windows might have been used initially and what would be appropriate.
I was a bit confused by the statement “Never in a million years would your house have had exposed timber sashesâ€, did I state this in my posting, by stating that the original sashes were dumped or other? I am afraid my knowledge of windows is too limited to understand where I might have suggested this, however, I apologise for my lack of knowledge on this issue and would like to thank you all for your time and replies.
I will continue my search for information, to help me reinstate the most practical though close to appropriate windows for my house. Many Many Thanks. Sinead
