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March 2008 projects due for completion this month are:
M50 upgrade phase one
portlaoise train care depot
Kilpedder N11 interchange
navan inner relief roadN51
I have to say, I’m impressed with the volume of transport projects that are delivered in a single month. Surely that deserves a round of applause for a government that was dissmissed as lazy by the oppositionRound of applause me arse. The very fact that it’s this month and not years ago means the Government deserve a kick in the head.
On the topic of bringing roads in on time and on budget, you’ll notice now they all are. That’s easy, and is simply the result of getting smart, ie. when announcing the project, add a hefty contingency amount and add 3/6 months to what you think it will take to do it….and hey presto we have a road on time and on budget. It’s cynical spin again from a Government that excels at it.
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cgcsb. seriously. No No No No No
No. In a word. No. Worst post ever! Read the DTO Strategy, read T21, Read some of Martin Cullens twaddle in his time. Do all these. Then come back here and radically edit your post by including “integrated ticketing” “DTA” “Navan Rail” “Line BX” “Metro” “Bus services” and “shambles”
@Angry Rebel wrote:
On the topic of bringing roads in on time and on budget, you’ll notice now they all are. That’s easy, and is simply the result of getting smart, ie. when announcing the project, add a hefty contingency amount and add 3/6 months to what you think it will take to do it….and hey presto we have a road on time and on budget. It’s cynical spin again from a Government that excels at it.
True. However i would contend that actual construction has been relatively quick – for any country to construct the bulk of its motorway network in a 6 year time frame has to be seen as a reasonable achievement, in terms of road building.
More appropraitely the Government should be blamed for pissing about and then shelving the critical infrastructure bill when we really needed it, the protracted planning process is the real reason for the delay.
Of course T21 is heavily weighted in favour of roads and with the gov hell bent against borrowing, until they were forced to, it does seem that roads are granted massive funds, and that it is at the expense of rail. A motorway network between dublin & the major centres is a basic necessity imo, however, with a midget national debt of 37bn, we could have transformed both the rail & road networks in tandem.
Why the delay with Navan, why is it that rail projects are phased in to oblivion, just borrow the damn money, get on with building it & build the lot of it.
OK guys, when is the Mary O’Rourke Memorial stretch of the Luas going to be built? Surely this was one of the more blatant examples of a government minister going into a blue funk when confronted with a hotel developer – which would have made the greater impact: the Luas joining up or a hotel? Clearly, in FF terms the hotel!
@Angry Rebel wrote:
Round of applause me arse.
T21.. what exactly have they been doing? They’ve been busy designing a new logo, I see.
“PPP Luas” – Stephen’s Green to Fassaroe, meandering over the M50, left here, right there, over the moor and down the valley… I mean, c’mon, this feckless meandering through PPP developments is going to feck all of us over eventually. The Luas network will be entirely inadequate once its cross-county branches are complete.
How much will it cost us, the tax payers, to straighten this southern line for the inevitable Metro to Bray? This is the M50 all over again, but worse. This is classic Paddy planning. Ten years from now we’ll all be forking out phenomenal amounts of cash to correct ‘our’ mistakes.
The Interconnector should be under construction now. Not after the money runs out from building silly train sets around the three counties.
My heart sinks.
On a lighter note, the new train depot at Portlaoise looks well. :p
Bad news is that unless the m50 phase3 is finished in four days, it’ll be officially behind schedual. The annoncement of a prefered route for the lucan luas line has been put back from March2008 to the end of the year
actually not one of the projects targeted for completion this month are finished yer. There is still 4 days left in this month though
@cgcsb wrote:
actually not one of the projects targeted for completion this month are finished yer. There is still 4 days left in this month though
kilpedder interchange is finished – its just a bridge though.
How did the projects for Transport 21 actually get picked in the first place? What was the criteria and who decided?
Some of them seem strange including the Metro West from Tallaght to Dublin airport.As far as i know, the transport minister at the time picked the projects as recomended by the RPA and CIE. Only the projects that were absolutely essential were picked. Other less important project were put on the back burner such as the eatern by pass, The outer bypass and the Dublin-Derry motorway
Cgcsb
None of the roads are on time and on budget… It never was in fact.
You see its all a trick from the government. Open your eyes.
I mean the PDF files that the government produce every so often are lovely of late, all the presentations of the glory road plans, T21s, conferences after conferences, the recent review of the government’s record on infastructure was just WOW 😀
Anyway…. back to reality
@cgcsb wrote:
As far as i know, the transport minister at the time picked the projects as recomended by the RPA and CIE. Only the projects that were absolutely essential were picked. Other less important project were put on the back burner such as the eatern by pass, The outer bypass and the Dublin-Derry motorway
Tullamore gets a bypass cus Brian cowen said so. NOWHERE near essential…………. Cork – Limerick motorway is essential, but havent seen any shiny new files on whether are not they are going to do it. Croom bypass gets mentioned alot, it’s a lovely road bypass built nearly 10 years ago, but they forget to tell us, that the rest of the road is for sheep!
The Tullamore bypass is essential as it is part of the n52 route which is the backbone of the Midlands Gateway. The road is currently in poor condition and is being up graded section by section from Nenagh to Dundalk. The N20 Cork-Limerick is definately going ahead It is at the constraints study/preliminary desian stage of developement
What I find confusing is the governments designation of Major inter-urban routes. The N20 is not considered one however the M3 Dublin-Kells (pop. 5000) is one. THe M3 is more of a suburban/commuter road more than an inter city route
MIUs are the Dublin ones only. Is the M3 included? I thought it was DUblin to Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford only
What gets me is that inter-urbans all lead to Dublin….
People do like and need to travel between the urban centres as well. Such Dublin centric planning is ruining this country and making the creaking Dublin infrastructure creak even louder!
yea on http://www.nra.ie/mapping look at the M3 page it says Inter-Urban route: Yes
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