New LUAS pics
February 3, 2003 at 9:49 am #705971
LUAS Update number 4 is now available at the following location:
It further documents progress constructing the lines to Tallaght and Sandyford. The article contains more than a dozen photos, so will take a while to load if you have a slow connection.
The bridge over the Grand Canal at Grand Parade looks spectacularly ugly for now, but should be much better when it was finished – I’m much encouraged by the bridge over the canal at Davitt Road which looked very ugly in Update 2, but which is now quite stylish 🙂
Any comments welcome. These updates will be roughly monthly from now on.
February 3, 2003 at 10:12 am #724118
very interesting…. coming along nicely
February 3, 2003 at 11:29 am #724119fjpParticipant
top dollar indeed!!!
February 3, 2003 at 12:02 pm #724120
I can’t wait to see the change in the streetscape once the Connolly Station ramp has been removed. It should have a dramatic effect. Is the back wall coming down as well the one that breaks off the viw into the IFSC. This has such a bad effect of sectioning off the docklands area from the rest of the city.
Also the bridges look pretty good don’t they…at least the one thats finished and not forgetting the Taney Bridge. I think there is a marked difference in the standard of design for LUAS as compared to the last major public transport development in Dublin – DART – for example.
February 3, 2003 at 2:50 pm #724121bluefoamParticipant
One thing that the Dart did was to implement a very good identity, with the whole thing tying very well together, everything from signage to furniture. Unfortunatly it has been completely ignored 10 years on and the whole thing looks half assed.
Hopefully the Luas will do a better job. But I doubt it…. This is Ireland after all.
February 3, 2003 at 5:01 pm #724122
Originally posted by fjp
top dollar indeed!!!
Wow – I’m thrilled to get praise from fjp, not only considering what a web-photo mogul he is, but also bearing in mind that I took at least one of the shots in his own stomping ground (Dundrum) 🙂
By the way fjp, do you have much of a problem with people stealing your work and posting it elsewhere on the web without your permission, or passing them off as their own? I’ve had this happen several times, which is why I include the copyright notice on the pictures. All the more annoying because I gladly let people use photos as long as they credit me and ask permission first!
February 3, 2003 at 5:03 pm #724123
Dunno about fjp but I do. A solicitor is very handy.
February 3, 2003 at 5:40 pm #724124fjpParticipant
I would also frown upon it, but rarely catch it. I don’t actually bother putting any copyright directly onto my images, since anyone who’s going to do this knows they’re in the wrong. I’ll know my photos if I see them, and if it was a professional usage I’d take a leaf out of Paul’s book and send them a bill. Personal usages – people hotlink them all the time for forums and things, usually without credit, but that’s the internet so that’s ok.
Only one real red handed case of passing work off as their own ever showed up. A guy took a random image I had, applied a single vector filter to it (just one), and then stuck his copyright on it. I mailed him, posted a message on his messageboard, but it’s still there. One tiny vector filter – it looked exactly the same…
I know lots of solicitors, but I’ll hang on until an advertising agency tried to get away with it. Then it should sort out my hosting fees for a year at least. But I’m not a complete bitch: I’ve let three architects use images free for jobs in the last week or two.
And I appreciate seeing the Dundrum/Sandyford shots – I’ve been tied for time lately and never get to see what’s going on in Sandyford. Looks cool…
February 4, 2003 at 1:22 pm #724125kefuParticipant
The Davitt Road Bridge looks excellent. I have yet to see any part of the project, where corners appear to have been cut. Though the depot buildings aren’t great.
It’s funny about the DART – it was considered futuristic in its time, with its uniform colouring and signage. Considering its usage and all the wealthy parts of Dublin it passes through, it really is in a state now.
February 5, 2003 at 9:14 am #724126Rory WParticipant
It needs a good Brand Manager – I’ll do it!!
February 5, 2003 at 9:26 am #724127GregFParticipant
Great photos Gabriel Conway….great to see it all coming along.
Funnily, looking at the photo’s the Luas works, train tracks and all remind me of me Lima train sets I had when a kid in the 70’s…… (aka pre-playstation for the younger viewers).
February 5, 2003 at 12:20 pm #724128MB OMaoileoinParticipant
Great pictures. better than the luas website!
1. Why is there a line C (ie why can’t the line from Tallaght run straight through to the docks)?
2. Has there ever been any thought given to running a spur off the Dublin/Belfast railway line into the airport?
February 5, 2003 at 12:52 pm #724129
Im not sure of the logic of a Line C..window dressing I expect to make it look as if the government are investing in three and not two lines.
As for the Airport spur..I am sure this was the plan when the DART was setup. I certainly recall it being mentioned many times until the extension to Malahide came about. I think it was eventually dropped when we could set our sites on bigger fish like a dedicated LUAS line (likely by 2012) or Metro (yeah right!).
A dedicated line makes more sense as the volume of extra traffic on the DART would cripple the (currently substandard) service.
I think they should privatise the DART and LUAS. It not like the UK where there is a huge network which need central control. These one off systems are so more easily managed, Perhaps have Iarnrod Eireann converted into a rail network management company owned by the government and sell of the services on those lines. The same for mainline (aka intercity) services.
February 5, 2003 at 1:16 pm #724130Andrew DuffyParticipant
Problem is the need for subsidy. Dublin Bus and (I think) Bus Eireann pay for themselves, but Irish Rail soaks up money like crazy. Privatisation could lead to the same dire situation as in the UK, where so little of the enormous ticket prices charged by operators filters down to Railtrack that safety suffers.
February 5, 2003 at 1:31 pm #724131
To answer various questions:
As far as I am aware, the big wall dividing the IFSC from the rest of the world is to remain – there was some discussion of this and planning permission for the extension of LUAS to Connolly was delayed while this was sorted out. The objectors were people living in apartments in IFSC, who said that the wall protected them from noise and undesireable city elements.
The whole Line C thing is a bit of a mystery – if it had been tacked on after the system opened I could understand it, but really it’s just the logical extension of Line A.
The road bridge on Kilmacud Road Upper in Dundrum that I mentioned apparently *is* being retained – I heard something about it being a protected structure.
The LUAS ines will be privately operated – a tender has been awarded by the Railway Procurement Agency to Connex – a French company who also operate rail and bus franchises in the UK.
The infrastructure will continue to be publically owned, with Connex employing the staff and providing the service.
February 5, 2003 at 2:43 pm #724132
I knew about LUAS neing privately operated… I hope DART goes the same way. All this proliferation of agencies and companies controlling transport. No wonder its a mess…all the moeny gets swallowed up in these fiefdoms.
I work in a UK rail company so I know enough about the problems of their privatisation, But I still maintain that another model for privatisation would work for the limited Irish networks. It would still require subsidy and strong regulation but it would be a vast improvement on the current political party set up.
Maybe something along the lines of a Dublin Transport Authority to replace CIE and the RPAetc and licence out the various services to independant operators.
February 6, 2003 at 2:08 am #724133Cloud-ScraperParticipant
What is the O’Connell st underground substation currently being excavated? Anyone know the details of this. I presume the line crosses O’Connell st and the nearest stop will be on Abbey st, or is there actually an O’Connell st tram stop? Luas site doesn’t give a lot of info on the stations.
Also, was line C named separately as it will eventually form part of the future dock-lands line from Abbey st station to Spencer Dock?
I look forward to the Luas. I have just returned from Melbourne where Connex (same company) run part of the extensive tram network. They were one of the few cities to keep the trams when the rest of the world was embracing the motorcar. So nearly every second street has a line now! And they even use the same tram model as has been chosen for Dublin. Very smooth and comfortable to travel on, and that was on Melbourne’s rickety old rails. A joy to use. Of course the passangers were a little more refined, eh Greg F!
February 6, 2003 at 8:53 am #724134
February 6, 2003 at 9:51 am #724135JJParticipant
Great pics. You are almost right about Line C. It was tacked on as the original Luas concept was for a single line linking through college green. The Government at the time decided to split the line and then extend it to Connolly but as the inquiry process had commenced a new line had to be designated.
It gets even more complicated because the first proposal for Connolly was rejected and yet another inquiry was held. Work is now going on to remove the ramp based on this last scheme. The high wall is to be replaced with a railing which will be the subject of an design comp.
The images on the LUAS web site are pretty poor but there is a small image of the Connolly scheme which you can see.
February 6, 2003 at 11:48 am #724136
I wonder what effect the removal of the ramp will have on Connolly Station itself. There will obviously be a new ground level entrance. I never noticed but did they make provision for this when they redesigned the station a couple of years ago.
February 6, 2003 at 11:50 am #724137
I dunno but I think the existing facade on the ramp side is going to need a complete rethink after this, as it will look daft imo
February 6, 2003 at 12:04 pm #724138GrahamHParticipant
To say the least. And where are all tons of the beautiful granite in the ramp going to go after it’s removal? Worth a lot of money. Knowing this country it will be left lying out to be nicked again, like the Quay Wall incident.
Looks like the Victorian facade of Connolly is also being cleaned in anticipation of the LUAS, about time. Its covered in scaffolding at the minute. Some dazzling white floodlighting would be spectacular on the building and the Italinate tower, acting as a beacon/marker for the city’s major railway & Luas terminal.
February 6, 2003 at 2:36 pm #724139J. SeerskiParticipant
I am impessed by the works!
But I think we will have no trams within a matter of months. My experience on the 77 bus informs me that the seats will be flying out the windows as soon as they are installed (have witnessed people throwing “fixed” cushions out the windows!), open drug peddling, smoking, violence, vomit, drug taking, throwing crap at innocent customers….
But I’m still impressed!
But what happened the Westmoreland St. Dawson Street part? It is mental that the lines A, B and C won’t interconnect.
February 6, 2003 at 2:37 pm #724140PapworthParticipant
They had rightly hacked into the old granite stoned Suir Bridge along the canal the last time I looked…i guess to facilitate building the new one ..I hope they reinstate the old bridge back to its old self before arriving at ‘next stop Fatima Mansions’
February 6, 2003 at 3:30 pm #724141NiallParticipant
Paul, I’m sure I saw covered escalators in the design which uses the existing side entrance to go down to the Luas Terminus at ground level, correct me if I’m wrong….
February 6, 2003 at 4:04 pm #724142
Well they did re-jig the interior of the station to face towards the ramp – which would suggest a repositioning of the entrance to the new LUAS stop.
February 6, 2003 at 4:19 pm #724143AnonymousParticipant
think the schedule now is that the trams will be running by April of next year … which is still a good bit away, they do seem to be making good progress though, the section running from the Red Cow depot to the terminus at the Square is almost complete … they’re currently errecting the overhead cables
Anyone see the report on the news last night about the port tunnel?? was really surprised to see how far they’ve got and just how substantial the tunnel will be when complete …
February 6, 2003 at 5:54 pm #724144GrahamHParticipant
Me too. Indeed its being bored so fast that they say its not worth stopping to give the residents a break up above, as it passes them by within a day!
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