Mountjoy
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- February 2, 2005 at 5:16 pm #740507
TLM
ParticipantI’ve already said that I think it’s right that the land in city was freed up (see my posting of yesterday above) and I never said making provision for transport would be impossibly difficult, only that it should be done. In fact I’m delighted to see Mountjoy go, as well as being an enormous dead space the facilities are atrocious (and might eventually have led to the state being litigated under the ECHR). The new location at the moment hardly seems well served by transport and it should be (by a bus from the city centre or whatever) if people are going to have to commute out there.
One point that should be kept in mind when developing the Mountjoy site is that the northern end of the prison is a burial ground for prisoners who were executed by the Irish state under the death penalty. Kevin Barry and other patriots were exhumed in 2001 but the bodies of other former prisoners are still there. I think that should be marked in some way.
February 2, 2005 at 5:27 pm #740508kefu
ParticipantAgree totally with you TLM on the Kevin Barry issue.
I’ve already mentioned that in a previous post and I think it’s a certainty that some of the open space in the new development would be given over.
I also believe the chimneys should be maintained.February 2, 2005 at 8:14 pm #740509tommyt
ParticipantAs a Bohemians fan the possibility of trying to get a land-swap with any prospective mountjoy developers for Dalymount Park has been thrown around a bit in the past on our message board. Any valuers out there reckon dalymount would be worth more per hectare, or the same compared to the mountjoy site? I personally think if a new football ground could be built on the site it would open up the chance to create a new district centre for phibsboro if dalyer was used for a mixed use development.
February 2, 2005 at 10:09 pm #740510GrahamH
Participant@kefu wrote:
And if they have a feeder bus from O’Connell Street or Summerhill – what more do you need?
LOL – although I completely agree about laying on a service, I think the last thing poor old O’Connell Street needs is ‘The Prison Bus’ running from outside Clery’s lol 😀
Hasn’t the poor street suffered enough?! I’d do wonders for the image – I can just picture the signpost and timetable with the single destination marked on it – Hell and back, every 2 hours 🙂July 28, 2006 at 12:32 pm #740511urbanisto
ParticipantLe Grand Projet de Mons McDowell…. 😀
Mountjoy site to be developed as urban village
Mountjoy Prison will be turned into a village complex housing several thousand people under plans for the site announced yesterday by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell, writes Stephen Collins, Political Correspondent
The Minister also provided details about his plans for a new prison on a 150-acre site at Thornton Hall, north Co Dublin, to replace Mountjoy.
He confirmed that the Central Mental Hospital would move from its location in Dundrum to the new site.
“For decades the lack of space and the poor physical infrastructure in Mountjoy Prison has impacted severely on the prison system to provide even the most basic services for prison rehabilitation. In the area of work and training, medical facilities and education, the building is simply not fit for purpose,” said Mr McDowell.
“Those who object to the closure of Mountjoy Prison cannot at the same time expect the dedicated staff who work in our prisons to deliver a 21st century model of correctional excellence in a 19th century physical environment.”
He said his concerns about the inadequacy of Mountjoy and the need for change were shared by many, including members of the Irish Prison Service interim board, the Inspector of Prisons and the Council of Europe.
“The Government’s decision to vacate Mountjoy and create a new prison complex allows us to grasp a unique opportunity to reinvent the existing site as a new and vibrant place to live and work in the Dublin of the 21st century.
“We want to take this opportunity to engage with Dublin City Council to create a new village for Dublin which will allow families to live and work in the centre of the city in a sustainable way,” said Mr McDowell.
He added that the Mountjoy regeneration project would be carried out under the direction of the Office of Public Works, with a design team headed by one of the country’s foremost architectural firms, Heneghan Peng.
“I look forward to seeing the inventive and inspiring solutions which they will propose for the historic structures to be retained on the site and the relationship to be formed with the adjoining canal and streets.
“When one thinks of the redevelopment proposals for Grangegorman, the Mater, Dalymount Park, Phibsboro, as well as Mountjoy itself, it is no exaggeration to say that in a few years time this part of Dublin will be transformed.
“Our challenge is to ensure that Mountjoy will transcend its myths and memories and become a best-practice example of urban development and a credit to Dublin city,” said Mr McDowell.
Shi-Fu Peng, the design team leader, said it was important to recognise that Dublin was a city of villages, and the new Mountjoy village would contribute to that urban fabric.
He added that the canal as a new public green space would play an important part in the design.
Dealing with the issue of the new prison, Mr McDowell said that over the past few months the Prison Service and its technical advisers had been working hard on developing the master plan and outline design of the new facilities at Thornton Hall.
“The new prison will be driven by innovation, with a unique layout incorporating the latest technology, thus generating savings in operating costs.
The new prison complex will have a range of institutions, with differing security levels and regimes all within a secure perimeter. There will also be room on the site for running tracks, football pitches so that prisoners can have physical exercise.
“The development will be sensitive to the local environment, and every effort will be made to minimise the visual impact of the development on the local community. A major boundary planting and landscaping scheme has been completed and when this matures it will substantially reduce the visual impact.”
During the press conference at the Department of Justice there was a small protest outside by local residents objecting to the Thornton Hall development.
© The Irish Times
July 28, 2006 at 2:11 pm #740512notjim
ParticipantWow, Henigan-Peng are on fire! Are they just doing the masterplan or will they be designing actual buildings, which would be cool. Is it true that some part of the site is being give to the nuns for a convalensce home in return for ceding some control of the mater site.
July 28, 2006 at 3:49 pm #740513jdivision
Participant@tommyt wrote:
As a Bohemians fan the possibility of trying to get a land-swap with any prospective mountjoy developers for Dalymount Park has been thrown around a bit in the past on our message board. Any valuers out there reckon dalymount would be worth more per hectare, or the same compared to the mountjoy site? I personally think if a new football ground could be built on the site it would open up the chance to create a new district centre for phibsboro if dalyer was used for a mixed use development.
Eh, they agreed a land swap a few months ago.
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