What’s up docks?
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isn’t this stupid, six and seven story buildings on sites that could take 10 or 11 and then they fill in one of the most attractive, interesting and dockish parts of the docklands. they should have put a science museum in the stack house when they had a chance and they would have no need of a landmark attraction what would fill in a significant and unusual open space.
Christ! Not another building in the dock – they ruined the rear one with those crappy looking apartments
Surely they realise the high level of services required of a theatre for back of house operations. Maybe it is to be an outdoor theatre in the round. That way it can be cheap and cheerful as long as everyone brings umbrellas, perhaps turn the Quay into a coliseum. Bread and circuses anyone????? Maybe this announcement has a bit of bloomsday about it.
The stuff built in London in the 80s (as per Only Fools and Horses :)) is better than that Lego concoction in the inner dock
When it was emptied recently (presumably for those engineering works) it proved the most dismal sight imaginable.I cannot think of anything worse than dumping the Abbey in George’s Dock – and these temporary structures shouldn’t be allowed either, they look awful.
Isn’t it ridiculous – of all the brownfield sites in the city, not even one can be found for the Abbey, so they propose to build it on stilts in a pool of water – an area that was set aside as an amenity area!
(assuming this is the proposal as Rockflanders says)@notjim wrote:
isn’t this stupid, six and seven story buildings on sites that could take 10 or 11 and then they fill in one of the most attractive, interesting and dockish parts of the docklands. they should have put a science museum in the stack house when they had a chance and they would have no need of a landmark attraction what would fill in a significant and unusual open space.
Notjim, I must say how much I like that term you have just used (invented?) ‘Dockish’. Maybe the name should be changed to the ‘Infilllands’? 🙂 There is much regret in London over the amount of former docks that were filled in. It really is such short-sighted thinking.
On the other hand, if it is between the two corporate buildings to the west of the dock it would have a lovely setting; is this possible, I am no judge of scale or sure what’s underneath the surface there. Surely building on the dock would be too perverse even for the ddda and again, why this obsession with the abbey a) and fancy shopping for the stackhouse b).
Such a ridiculous decision… I would have preferred to see the Abbey kept in “the old city”. The dock was also probably the nicest feature in all of the IFSC, I think the area will look really bland and industrial estate like without it. I think this is the worst option for a location for the Abbey they could have come up with!
The existing Abbey site along with the building to the front on Eden Quay which is only a facade retention. If the Auditorium was built from first floor to third floor level it could oversail Abbey St Old. The stage entrance and technical rig could go on the footprint of the existing theatre whilst the reception and leisure element could be accessed from a grand waterfront entrance on Eden Quay. The footprint exists.
I totally agree with notjim and others on the folly of covering Georges Dock or even the very high quality plaza between the original IFSC scheme buildings. Which is still the best executed commercial scheme in this city to my mind.
This would be the most ridiculous decision they could make. 😮 There must be plenty of liffey front sites between the IFSC aand the point that would be way more suitable, on either the north or the south side of the city. Isn’t there already a potenial theatre site in the south side of the docklands that would appear ideal.
I still believe the most suitable site would be the Carlton site on O’Connell St and this would be the most significant statement about how serious Dublin & Ireland takes their national street and national theatre.
I would throw in one other site that is 95% likely to become available in the short to medium term is part of the Guinness site along the quays or even is part of the Collins Barrack Museum site that also has Luas access.
hey, why don’t they culvert the liffey in front of the customs house and build the abbey there, that way it would be in both the north and south side and gosh what a setting!
well it makes about as much sense as building on georges dock.
in an amusing side note and in a ddda’ish display of sensitivity to the sea, it seems they never checked the times of the tides before booking the tall ships for this weekend: noone was able to visit them either afternoon because they were too low.
the new section of campshire looks great though, a bit overdone and i am sorry they got rid of the big lumps of timber, but the rachel joyndt (sp) light are such a pleasure.
@notjim wrote:
in an amusing side note and in a ddda’ish display of sensitivity to the sea, it seems they never checked the times of the tides before booking the tall ships for this weekend: noone was able to visit them either afternoon because they were too low.
There was a spring tide this weekend wasn’t there?
As a daily cyclist, I think the new section of campshire is a joke. They have inserted chicanes along the cycle lane. Also, every 50 yards or so the cycle lane ends and is replaced with paving. Then it simply disapears before the cantilever bridge at Spencer dock. It all ties in to the obsticle course that is cycling from the Point up to Matt Talbot bridge. When I saw the design for the new lane I wrote to the DDDA asking for an explanation on the design. Still waiting. Like the rest of the cycle lane, I’ll be zigzagging through pedestrians (and chicanes) every morning.
A glimpse of the new Civic Plaza.
I quite like this building below. Could have been a few floors higher though, would have scaled well. It’s actually 3 seperate blocks linked by subtle balcony things. 🙂
This area below is under development just now. What a perfect spot for a highrise but I think it’s destined for a 5 story block 🙁
A new street in the making, about 2 blocks long, with a terminating few of the Iarnród Éireann offices on the north quays. Nice 🙂
Some nice pics there – yes that three-part apartment block seems to be setting a taller trend for the south quays which is to be welcomed. Looking at it the other day it was a relief to see some height being introduced – though the one problem I find with the Docklands stretch of the Liffey is that the river is its worst enemy, it is so very straight and boring.
Height or no height, you can’t seem to get away from dull, flat, cliff-like development lining the banks. Not sure how you can improve on this…Those apartments are to be fitted out to an incredibly high standard – there was big demand for them when they went on sale as far as I can remember.
The IÉ building is one of the nicest in the city – the little dome is just a gem 🙂i quite like the pictures myself. they are very good shots. i agree with you morlan that the fifth picture down is the perfect spot for a taller building.
8th June 2006
Well most of Morlan’s pictured developments are now nearing completion. Quite a number of smart new residential streets are being unwrapped round about now, linking Sir John Rogerson’s Quay to the Basin. Most are about four storeys in height, and rather bizarrely reminiscent of Mosney’s 1950s flat blocks – the design is somewhat better however 🙂
I don’t have a picture of those developments as the contractors wouldn’t have been best pleased at being photographed, but here’s a different street:
Back out on the Liffey, here’s what’s happening:
Flat.
Very flat.
Taller than the northern Docklands, but still – flat.
Certainly the U2 Tower in the distance will help things greatly at least.Some individual buildings now:
Very nice, with The Ferryman sympathetically addressed. The circular part on the roof has already become something of a landmark, being so close to the Se
On the right-hand side of this building in the first picture, you can just make out an Edwardian redbrick warehouse building – it’s got a magnificent 1901 interior:
Didn’t manage to get any further east. But looking across northwards, this is what’s happening where it all started:
…i.e, nothing much bar Spencer Dock bloatedly emerging out onto the quay front:
This should be resolved if there’s something proposed for the left of this building on the site above. Anyone know?
It has a very impressive atrium running through the centre. Is it residential?
It relates well to the neighbouring Victorian:
…and you know who 🙂
Back on the southside, and all of the development taking place is really going in cheek by jowl in relation to the existing housing stock. It’s a refreshing contrast, but I can certainly see how those of the North Wall gave out about the initial Spencer Dock!
Quite extraordinary:
The Gasworks has yet to be pictured on Archiseek post-development. This is what it looks like:
I think it works well, if the intense glazing too corporate and faceless.
The concept overall is effective though – both structures retain their independence but still connect nicely together to form a whole.
Typical Victorian industriousness:
And from a distance – classic Fair City 🙂
Rather aptly with Dublin’s unsightly but charming television cable network in view; we’re one of the most cabled countries in Europe.
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