trinity and nassau street
May 25, 2004 at 3:49 pm #707180
so, there is discussion in the college of weather it would be possible to build between nassua street and the cricket pitch, the point being that commercial units on the ground floor could fund office buildings above.
obviously anything built here would have to be nice and, it is felt, should have gaps to allow “framed” views of the open space beyond. given this, it is felt, such a development could benefit nassau street as well as the college.
May 25, 2004 at 4:08 pm #743825AnonymousInactive
That is interesting Notjim. I remember mentioning that as being a possible (but unlikely) location of construction within Trinity (on the ‘Trinity due for demolition 2005 thread) and you very much thought that it would never be built on. Is this plan coming from the top, or is it just discussion within the college? I see that the Pearse Street plan got the go ahead.
May 25, 2004 at 5:34 pm #743826
only the first bit of the pearse street plan got the go ahead, that is, building between luce hall (the stw box) and pearse street. the planners report emphasised the value of the listed buildings on the street, i don’t know what the implication of this for the rest of the pearse street plan.
the discussion of the nassau street frontage arises in the context of the so called 2nd development control plan, but is very vague since all this land is zoned open space by the dcc.
i had thought it would never be built on because a previous plan to build there had fallen through, but, it seems it is now felt that emphasing the quality of the building and leaving gaps between buildings allowing a view through to college park, would make it more likely that such a plan would be successful.
May 25, 2004 at 11:30 pm #743827
Certainly development here will drastically alter the character of Nassau St – hard to imagine it at the moment with buildings on both sides.
Where would the railings fit into this scheme if retail units were to built on the ground floor?
Although, the height of the wall at present prevents any decent perspective of the grounds for even the tallest of people, so it’s not as if we’d be loosing sweeping views of greenery – but still.
As always it depends on the nature of development and its design – to state the obvious.
May 26, 2004 at 12:08 pm #743828Denny BoyParticipant
I was based in the Museum Building (1853-57. Architect:John Ruskin) for four years during the early ’80s and spent many an afternoon perched on on the sills of the Cartography Lab overlooking the cricket pitch. They view over to Nassau Street with the trees, the Alliance FranÃ§aise and even the Setanta Centre was (and still is) something quite special and unique in Dublin. I’d hate to see it go.
Nassau Street itself is a little busy these days with cars, coaches and buses but, at least its nice to see something being
done about the pavement on the Trinity side. The wall/railings running the length of the street are unfortunate and should be
resigned to history. Sadly, the best views over the cricked pitch are from the top of a bus or from the cafe in the Kilkenny Design Centre.
I believe any development in the area should consist mainly of ‘building down’, leaving the trees and extending the current level of Nassau Street as open space into Trinity. The traditional separation of the college from the outside world could be maintained with less fortress-like railings.
May 31, 2004 at 10:22 am #743829
So, this was discussed in the times today, it makes it sound very nice, some buildings, but, in return, views of the cricket pitch.
it is hard to see how this would work in practice, if the buildings have any depth the views will be narrow slices, maybe the buildings could have triangular footprints, or, even better, the development might create viewing platforms back from the current line of the wall and rail.
the article also appears to confirm that the dcc have indicated that they won’t allow the planned demolishions on pearse street which is good. also, if, as is possible, coach parking is moved to pearse street, tcd will be glad of edwarding shopfronts, they will be able to lease them out to carrols, blarney woolen mills and so on.
June 2, 2004 at 8:11 pm #743830
That’s great news for Pearse St.
I don’t agree that the Nassau St railings are unfortunate, they make a magnificent statement whilst not being overly fortress-like.
What would have been unfortunate is a rubble stone wall which Trinity could equally have built around its grounds in the 19th century.
Nassau St is one of a kind in the city centre by having buildings on just one side with railings/green views on the other (other than the squares) with the railings generating a unique character and quality to the street, indeed they are something of a landmark.
Where railings should be removed and retail installed is around the other side, on Pearse St, which drastically needs development – indeed it’s surprising Trinity of all people even bothered to put repros around here.
On a barely related topic – does anyone know what that building is outside the window of the cafe in that ridiculous Referendum Commission ad on the telly?
It looks like the Museum Building but the stone window detail is different and there’s no big windows facing it, so short of them going to Venice to shoot the thing does anyone what/where it is – Dublin or elsewhere in the country?
Sorry but it’s really annoying me – something of a minor (nervous laugh) pastime recognising buildings from details!
June 2, 2004 at 8:19 pm #743831adhocParticipant
Is it the AIB on Dame Street?
June 2, 2004 at 8:30 pm #743832
Was thinking of this but I think the ad has that classic jagged-effect carving outlining the arches. But the capitals and window frames seem nearly identical alright – have to see the ad again now to check!
The building seems very close to the ‘cafe’ window too.
June 2, 2004 at 11:20 pm #743833
probably from the cafe on palace street?
June 3, 2004 at 7:45 pm #743834
It would have to be across the road though for the bank to be outside the window and there’s nothing there but the Roomkeepers building and the one beside it I think…
June 3, 2004 at 7:55 pm #743835
which has a cafe…. sigh.. do you people ever leave your houses to drink coffee and talk shyte 😉
June 3, 2004 at 8:10 pm #743836
Clearly your one in the ad does – and to herself at that!
Thanks for that – never noticed it before – usually too busy drooling over the Indigent Roomkeepers (very early plate windows!) must pop into the cafe someday, probably crawling with tourists at the moment.
June 25, 2004 at 5:16 pm #743837
notional scheme for nassau street by odonnell-tuomey:
i’ll put up the pearse street pics on monday
June 29, 2004 at 5:13 pm #743838
They are a little vague,
It would be interesting to see more detail.
Any progress on sourcing the Pearse St photos/drawings?
June 29, 2004 at 5:31 pm #743839
Should those photographs be online?
June 29, 2004 at 5:49 pm #743840shadowParticipant
June 29, 2004 at 7:58 pm #743841
Not really much information there. Not in favour of developing there anyway. Always liked the idea of the coaches and parking being given the heaveho and a nice wide pavement with trees on both sides of Nassau Street…
and those prisms look like a row of broken teeth 😉
June 29, 2004 at 8:11 pm #743842ro_GParticipant
surely ice towers would be more suited to Greenland?
June 29, 2004 at 9:02 pm #743843
maybe they’re ivory towers?
June 30, 2004 at 10:06 am #743844
Dear Notjim and Paul
Those images of the TCD Model are copyrighted to me (Ros Kavanagh) and cannot be used without my permission. I would request that you remove the photos from this thread immediately.
29-31 South William St.
June 30, 2004 at 10:22 am #743845
Excuse my ignorance but what is that model supposed to illustrate? Scale?
How is anyone supposed to know what the end product is going to look like or how itâ€™s going to address Nassau St by looking at a model like this?
It looks very nice but does this mean something to the trained eye? To my untrained eye it virtually meaningless and if architects use models like this to convey their idea to Joe public it wonâ€™t be understood.
June 30, 2004 at 10:31 am #743846
June 30, 2004 at 10:40 am #743847
sorry roskav, won’t happen again, maybe it would be best if the thread was deleted.
like the scheme btw,
June 30, 2004 at 1:18 pm #743848
The sum effect of removing the images has been to leave in the memory the fact that more greenspace is being removed.
At least with the ‘not so clear’ images there was some positive PR, now there is only a plot to cover TCD in unknown buildings.
And people wonder why architects are considered arrogant?
June 30, 2004 at 3:15 pm #743849
nothing like architects coming over all heavy about their scheme to put people’s backs up..
the railings and the view across the park from nassau street should be preserved
June 30, 2004 at 4:10 pm #743850
i think the view can be preserved or even improved while putting buildings along this street, long gaps and lowering the fence would do that.
what would be very nice would be if there were a series of mini squares or plazzas along the side of nassau street, fitting between the new buildings with a view out over the college and maybe small cafes and cafe seating.
June 30, 2004 at 4:11 pm #743851
sorry for fence read railing and of course they should be preserved.
July 1, 2004 at 10:40 am #743852
I agree notjim it can be done well but will it? We couldn’t tell from the model.
No green space needs be used up; there is plenty of room between the street and the cricket pitch, which is being used as a car park at the moment. That side of the Nassau St is just a bus park at the moment and there is no view of any worth from street level.
July 1, 2004 at 11:34 am #743853Rory WParticipant
Ah yes, but what of the view from the Cricket Pitch in Trinity to Nassau Street. Even with The Setanta Centre et al this is a pleasing view. And the view from Kildare Street across the pitch would be lost too. I think this streetscape needs to be preserved, even to prevent TCD becoming more insular and inward looking!
July 1, 2004 at 11:44 am #743854
preserving the view from kildare street is just a matter of where you place the buidings.
July 1, 2004 at 2:58 pm #743855
no view? stand outside the Kilkenny shop and say there isnt a view across Trinity
July 1, 2004 at 3:39 pm #743856
If a bus/coach isn’t in your way you still have a wall and high railings in the way. I think it would be better if it was opened at points as planed at the very least.
Large plaza like entrances into Trinity in between each building would offer great views framed by the building themselves. Opening up trinity to the city and it’s people.
What ever they do I would like to see Trinity become more accessible here and Iâ€™m sure it can be done with out compromising security.
July 1, 2004 at 6:59 pm #743857
I think that Kildare St is going to end up as a bus park once the traffic changes are effected on the 4th, as it will no longer be as important a through road once the traffic flow is reversed on Stephens Green East.
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