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Does anyone know where the Anna Livia fountain is at present? I had heard a while ago that it was meant to end up on Pearse Street?!
Any thoughts would be apreciated.
ThanksThe fountain was meant to be reinstated in the Croppy Acre. I imagine the Council are waiting for the Luas construction to clear up here before they roll out their plans for the park. On the other hand, it was mentioned somewhere (probably here – Graham?) that the Council were using the move to Croppy Acre as a pretext to binning the sculpture, or at least the fountain element
It was mentioned it was going there all right – never heard of removing the water element though.
No more bubble baths for you missy!I only noticed yesterday how clean and much better that particular part of O’Connell Street does look now. I had never fully understood it before, but O’Connell Street should not have any trees whatsoever – they are only a picturesque crap idea that 1970s ‘improving the city’ geographers must have had!
I hope the new Master Plan doesn’t have any trees at all in O’Connell Street, because then it begins to become a great space once again. The trees in O’Connell Street are what makes it feel like a good spot to go knacker drinking at night in the cold! Without those camouflage, it would become a much safer place and much easier to police or respond to someone in trouble. Much easier to light etc, etc.
The problem with the Fountain, was the pedestrians had only about 600mm either side of it to walk up and down the central pedestrian area of O’Connell Street – that was pure sad.
Completely disagree garethace. I think trees can add so much to a streetscape, define lines, frame vista’s etc.
the main problem with the existing london plane’s apart from their size is that they were planted in the middle island, dividing the street, and therefore concealing its width.
As far as I know, all the existing london plane’s trees are to be removed as part of the I.A.P.
New clipped lime trees will be planted running the full length of the street on the left and right pavements. Additional trees will be planted around the new plaza to define the boundaries of that space. Limes are a much neater tree and on O’Connell Street will be clipped in to a box shape in the same way as those at the front of the AIB bank centre.
Well I always liked that description of the Salk Institute by Barragan – not a scrap of rubbish or any interference whatsoever on it. That makes some sense to me, especially with the spire – it needs space around it. Me thinks.
If you do not believe me, make a wander up that way this eveing, and see the clear open space I am talking about, between the Savoy and the monument – it isn’t bad at all.
the “clear open space” needed for the monument will be provided by the plaza, which will be framed by trees … take a look at the IAP, don’t have the exact link but think its all in there somewhere
I’d also love to see all the trees removed from O’Connell St. to open it up as a wide boulevard unencumbered by the treest currently there which obscure the built nature of the environment.
I had been meaning to open a thread about this. There are a number of areas I’d like to see trees removed from the city. It seems such a contentious issue though at times – lots of tree huggers out there it seems.
In particular and of utmost importance I would remove those surrounding the Grattan statute at College Green. I hate the ways these obscure the view of the front of Trinity.
yep i agree … trees should have never been planted there, apart from blocking the front of trinity, the statue of grattan is completely hidden ….
I hope the new Master Plan doesn’t have any trees at all in O’Connell Street, because then it begins to become a great space once again. The trees in O’Connell Street are what makes it feel like a good spot to go knacker drinking at night in the cold!
you architects may not be aware of this but i heard that trees are not only usefull as ‘architectural features’ or ‘good spots for knacker drinking’ to to be placed at our astetic disgression, but they also provide us with oxygen, so we can breathe !. Should we not be trying to maximize the number of ‘c02 to 02 convertors’ we have on our city streets, after all these are essential to the sucessful running of any city. so why are u picking on these poor defenceless trees, what about cars surely these do alot more to detract from the beauty than a few trees. is there nothing worse than the entire street cloged with what is it 6 lane of car and trucks for most of the day.
I hope the new Master Plan doesn’t have any cars at all in O’Connell Street, because then it begins to become a great space once again
There are a number of areas I’d like to see cars removed from the city. It seems such a contentious issue though at times – lots of auto-addicts out there it seems.
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The fountain, last I heard, is in storage in St Anne’s park in Fairview. I think the Corpo is hoping that everybody quietly forgets about it.
They originally wanted to put it beside the garda station in Pearse Street, but the locals kicked up such a fuss that they rapidly backed off that idea. The Croppy acre idea came next, but I don’t think their heart was in it. They need to put it in a place where punters can’t dump rubbish – maybe by railing it off or elevating it. Nobody cares much for it now, apart from Eamon Doherty (wasn’t it?), the architect.
Does it deserve a new berth? I don’t think so. It would be no harm if a few other public monuments about the place were taken down too. Dame Street deserves better than that Thomas Davis statue, for starters.
silenceo……….
should i be sorry for dis-ing the car,
why does it all go quite when someone qustions the cars place in our cities ???
The Thomas Davis statue is a gem… its just a pity its been left to languish on a traffic island with little to no attention for so long. Despite many letters to the Council, OPW, Duchas etc I still haven’t found anyone who will accept responsiblity and restore the fountain and install some floodlighting. Its a crying shame!
I think the trees around Grattan and Moore are in need of some ruthless pruning. Better still remove them (withouit chopping them down – it can be done) and replan the whole College Green area. Less cars, wider pavements better street furniture, low leve planting.
i’d like to see College Green completely pedestrianised. I think it would create a great public space right on the axis of Trinity, Temple Bar and Grafton Street. Perhaps with some cafés, outdoor seating and a Luas line it might actually resemble a ‘proper’ European plaza.
The tricky part is figuring out how to divert the cars and buses around the area…
yeah i agree that could be a fantastic civic space and would actually be the heart of dublin city. but cant see it going ahead, it would fight with the plaza on o connell street.
if they want to make that the centre of the city theyll have to do a lot to the north side.Just get rid of those flippin trees, and poor old Moore on College St, I think the city has forgotten him – hidden away under his leafy canopy.
Although to give credit to the CC, the trees on College Green have been purposly pruned so they have very tall trunks and small canopies to allow as much of a view of Trinity & the BOI as possible.They may be pruned as well as possible, but they’re in the way. They should be removed.
Something that has never been used in Dublin but is common as muck in most cities is the idea of underpasses in city centre. It wouldn’t be difficult to use cut and cover to put the trafficways underground in college green and create a fantastic civic space for pedestrians etc. Would completely change the city. Anyone else have any similar ideas?
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