Road Surfaces
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GrahamH.
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December 16, 2002 at 3:27 pm #723525
GregF
ParticipantI utterly agree….It would be very attractive. But such appealing finishes for roads would soon be afflicted no doubt by road works, seams, scars and black tarmac pot hole filler.
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December 16, 2002 at 4:20 pm #723526
urbanisto
ParticipantDo you think anybody ever pays any attention to us?
Does anyone know we exist?
Has John Fitzgerald ever logged on to see what new and current?one wonders….
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December 16, 2002 at 4:21 pm #723527
Niall
ParticipantGood idea, but lets crawl before walking, how about even road surfaces for starters, ones that are re-laid every couple of years, and some consistency and maybe even a few decent signposts, for the natives, never mind the poor ripped off tourists?
I live in hope… but more in doubt. ‘Ah sure it’ll do rightly’
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December 16, 2002 at 5:40 pm #723528
Rory W
ParticipantThe yellowy/beige stuff is a non skid surface, have to agree that yellow or red would look good on O’Connell Street (Red looks very well around the Town Hall in Cardiff)
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December 17, 2002 at 10:44 pm #723529
GrahamH
ParticipantYeah, the road ripper-uppers are a problem, and so in other places, services are placed underneath pavements instead (although pedestrians are then affected), something that can’t be done in a lot of Dublin due it’s ‘antique pavements’, which is good. Although in most other countries they are told in no uncertain terms where to get off. Most immediate city & town centres are rarely, if at all, dug up though, so there is little excuse for the City Council.
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December 19, 2002 at 11:05 am #723530
lostcarpark
ParticipantWell for the last few years most of the roadworks seem to have been telcos. Now that the telcos have run out of venture capital, we’re seeing a lot less of that!
It is a shame when contractors are allowed to dig up a road and when they’re finished put down a vastly inferior surface.
Back in the seventies (?) there was a phase of building roads from concrete. Why did this stop? Where such surfaces remain, they seem to still be in very good condition, suggesting they’re more durable than asphalt. Concrete is still grey, but a more pleasing light shade, and it would be easy to add dyes to improve further.
James
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December 19, 2002 at 11:34 am #723531
fjp
ParticipantI was just thinking that about concrete (and you beat me to it). We used to live on the northside and I remember all the estate roads were made from concrete. I was back in the same area a while back and fondly found all the same roads still there. We moved to tarmac on the southside, and the concrete roads that did exist were all resurfaced with tarmac over the years.
More to the point – footpaths. I’ve noticed a lot of footpaths/sections of footpaths replaced with tarmac lately (Harcourt Street for example). Is this just temporary or is this the start of a new trend. I think concrete looks a lot better than tarmac for footpaths…
Poor telcos. And has anyone been down Harcourt Street on a bus at speed lately – pretty exciting stuff!!! You know the road’s bad when everyone bounces up and down and then giggles (I know, I know, it’s Luas work).
fjp
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December 19, 2002 at 11:46 am #723532
GregF
ParticipantSame where I live …..
I think concrete is being replaced however cause it is prone to crack under extreme weight cause it is harder…….whereas tarmac is more springy …. aka ….absorbs the stresses of heavy weight better. It all depends on the bed too …what lies beneath the outer surface and how well it is laid. -
December 19, 2002 at 12:53 pm #723533
urbanisto
ParticipantI think there is also a noise issue with concrete – tarmac absorbs noise more easily. Its porbably less expensive to repair. As for the pavement issue, that all Luas related as those pavements will be resurfaced to integrate them with the Luas rails…in the case of Harcourt St one big footpath.
However I do have an issue with developers who opt for cheap old pour concrete to finish pavements in front of their developments instead of proper flags.
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December 19, 2002 at 1:04 pm #723534
GrahamH
ParticipantDosn’t concrete have those nasty seams down the centre, that tend to be filled with tar or somesuch?
I take strong issue with the manner in which the CC are ripping up the antique flags in the city centre at pedestrian crossings, and replacing them with those ridiculous red ‘non slip’ slabs, that extend right back, unneccessarily, to the back of the pavements. They not only clash with the remaining flags, but also destroy the character of the area in which they are laid. The same have been laid in vast quantities at the entrance corners to Stephen’s Green, amongst the refined new granite paving, and they look terrible, esp from the upstairs of the buses. Have they no sense of taste?Although Harcourt Street is a strong contender for the best worst road in Dublin, esp on the bus, have you ever been down Adelaide Road on a bus with a driver determined to make the lights?!! Holy God!!!, I’m missing 4 front teeth from hitting the handle on the seat infront. Well worth the 1.20 though, if you can get a ride like that every time.
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December 19, 2002 at 1:44 pm #723535
DavidF
ParticipantI believe the red dimpled slabs at pedestrian crossings are primarily there to help visually impaired people locate safe street crossing points.
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December 19, 2002 at 1:56 pm #723536
urbanisto
ParticipantI hate that tactile paving (the colour rather than the the idea of course) but it doesnt have to be like that. Look at the new paving on Capel St Bridge. Hads anyone seen the city centre of Glasgow lately. They have competely repaved the area with beautiful slabs with same colour and texture tactile paving.
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December 19, 2002 at 2:07 pm #723537
DavidF
ParticipantAgreed – how difficult can it be to get slabs the same color as everything else that has been laid?
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December 19, 2002 at 3:47 pm #723538
ew
ParticipantI think the point is that they’re red so that they are easy to identify even if you are partially sighted.
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December 19, 2002 at 4:05 pm #723539
dpower
ParticipantThat’s exactly why they are red- anyway, didn’t the original context of this thread mention something about colourful streetscapes?
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December 20, 2002 at 12:52 am #723540
DARA H
Participantbesides the red and sometimes (piss) yellow tactile small paving slabs you usually see – it is possible to buy larger slabs (like a ramp down to the road level) with a ribbed effect like courdroy trousers and, you can also get larger slabs with dark/ black stone with (contrasting colour) stainless steel studs rather than dimples in you see in the red & yellow average types mentioned above.
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December 20, 2002 at 12:51 pm #723541
dpower
ParticipantStainless steel studs? Bit slippy perhaps….
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December 27, 2002 at 1:53 pm #723542
DARA H
ParticipantI had thougth so too, but the reality seemed to be that they weren;t – too small & relatively pointy underfoot i suppose to slip on – the overall effect looked pretty good though.
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January 7, 2003 at 10:39 pm #723543
GrahamH
ParticipantYes, the steel studs are used all over the UK, and look very well, esp in contrast with granite paving.
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