p.ryan publican
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Anyone know where this was?
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It has a slight Pearse Street feel about it.
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Looks like Kennedys at the corner of Westland Row.
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Was it definitely in Dublin? And is it definitely a ‘was’ rather than an ‘is’?
Next door looks to be Doran’s or somesuch.
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Judging by it’s customers, somebody might still remember it 😀
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No people were just smaller in the olden days.
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What is now The Oak /Thomas Reads?
http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Humphrys/07.Dame.St/SA400005.lores.JPG&imgrefurl=http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Humphrys/mick.html&h=2041&w=1370&sz=245&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=zCI6Td1z-GDSfM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=101&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThomas%2BReads%2Bpub%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN -
Doubtful, I’d say- the neighbouring building with its channelled render ground floor looks too grand to be on Crane Lane.
The RIBA page (full link below) states it’s Dublin and, though it’s not certain (what’s the provenance of their claim?), it seems likely. I can’t think of many other towns/cities where you’d get a ground floor treatment similar to the neifghbour’s.
Also, it seems to be No.1 on one of the streets, which would surely narrow the range a bit. Could Thom’s help in any way?
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Surely the railings are the key? I agree with the feeling about Westland Row? What’s written over the premises next door? Nora? Dora? Moran? A hotel? The railings feel very familiar.
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Some P Ryans with bar connections from the 1911 census
Sarsfield quay
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000107939/58 Charlemont st (Patrick ryan)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000186009/1b Glasnevin village (assistant Philip ryan)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000034714/35 Mercer street
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000192942/58 Fleet street
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_City/Fleet_St_/62854/ -
@LOB wrote:
Some P Ryans with bar connections from the 1911 census
Sarsfield quay
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000107939/58 Charlemont st (Patrick ryan)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000186009/1b Glasnevin village (assistant Philip ryan)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000034714/35 Mercer street
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000192942/58 Fleet street
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_City/Fleet_St_/62854/If that’s the shortlist Charlemont st is the most likely IMO. Nice to see some chisellers with shoes on their feet in an oul bleedin’ Dublin photo
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@ctesiphon wrote:
Doubtful, I’d say- the neighbouring building with its channelled render ground floor looks too grand to be on Crane Lane.
]Good point.
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from a poster on p45 “Mailed it to him last night. He thinks it’s either the one I mentioned or what is now the Aul Triangle further up on Dorset steet. He said the front of that place was torn out & rebuilt about fifty years ago, but the railings at the side and the detail on the wall look like that still.”
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@GP wrote:
What’s written over the premises next door? Nora? Dora? Moran? A hotel?
I guessed Doran’s, but thinking again it might just say ‘doras’? Is there a ‘fuinneog’ further down :), or might it say ‘doras na mbuachailli’* or ‘doras na gcailini’, etc.?
My head still says Doran’s.
*’buachailli’- never thought of this before (been years since I wrote it out), but out of context, this looks like a Georgian surname. (And I don’t mean related to the Kings George.)
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Well any clue would look to be in the upper facades, both of which appear to be rendered, though differently treated, and both sharing the same applied Victorian stucco window surrounds similar to those of the Sick and Indigent Roomkeepers. They both also feature Georgian windows, so they’re older than the ground floors suggest.
EDIT: since confirmed.
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Are we about to start another megathread “How well DID you know Dublin” – for our more mature posters….
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The Aul Triangle could well be it alright. It’s still part channelled from what I remember from passing.
Also a late Georgian-type that’s been tarted up in various ways.
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Oh I should have thought of that, I will photograph the Oul Triangle tonight and post the results.
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I would expect a Thom’s from the 40s would be the best help here.
It’s slightly strange that given that the Lounge entrance is to the left and the photo is of the building that it did not take a view showing a little more on the left. Can’t quite work out what the thing in the left foreground is – a wheel?
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Or was it taken out of the window of a car?
Thoms from 1952 has no direct record either side of Gardiner Street anyway, other than the tea and wine merchant.
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The Auld Triangle.
Chartbusters.I’m not convinced by either one, and I checked the other corners on Dorset Street as I passed by too. Back to the drawing board?
(Are we really going to let P45 win this one? Thinking caps, ppl, thinking caps! :))
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From Dublin city directory 1850
Ryan pub related
Anthony, 67 Francis St (vintner)
Edward, 105 Marlborough St (tavern)
J., 105 Lower Leeson St (vintner)
James, 1 Poolbeg St (spirit stores)
John, 24 City Quay (grocer and spirit retailer)
Maryanne, 76 1/2 Upper Abbey St (vintner)
Peter, 26 Lower Abbey St (grocer – tea, wine and spirit merchant)
T. and J., 94 Great Britain St (wine and spirit stores) -
Is it possibly the junction of Eccles/Dorset? -where that pub with the mostly black facade that looks like it’s from the 70’s is now? i.e the building on the right of the picture would be number 70odd Eccles st. with the Tony Quinn ‘hypnotise your way to sexiness ‘offices a few doors up?
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another p45 suggestion – and i like this one – i keep thinking southside….
orientation and doorway would be correct
An elderly friend of mine who lived in the inner city has suggested two further Ryan pubs which were around at the time.
Phil Ryan’s at the corner of East James’s Street and Lower Baggot Street. Now occupied by the hideous Bank of Ireland building.
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This one?
(From here: https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=82337&postcount=51)
The building is much changed, but that looks suspiciously like a Doran’s next door. And I see some railings too.
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That’s the one.
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If I were a betting girl, I’d put my 20 pennies on that.
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Close-up:
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Extract from Health Authorities Act, 1960 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1960/en/act/pub/0009/gen_4.html)
FOURTH SCHEDULE
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RESERVED PROPERTY.
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PART I
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Property vested in the Dublin Fever Hospital Board
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The hereditaments and premises demised by an Indenture of Lease dated the 26th day of February, 1936, made between the Right Honourable Reginald Earl of Pembroke and Montgomery of the first part, the Right Honourable Sidney Charles Herbert of the second part and The House of Recovery and Fever Hospital Cork Street Dublin of the third part and therein described as “All and Singular that piece or plot of ground situate in the Parish of Saint Peter and City of Dublin measuring in front to Baggot Street Lower twenty three feet one inch in breadth in the rere twenty two feet six inches and in depth from front to rere on the North West side one hundred and sixty feet six inches and on the South East side one hundred and sixty feet two inches be the said several admeasurements more or less bounded on the South West by Baggot Street Lower aforesaid on the North East by James’ Lane and on the North West and South East by other parts of the said holding of William, Bush Lessee with the messuage and buildings erected thereon and known as number 51 Baggot Street Lower which said premises are shown on the plan annexed to these presents and thereon edged with red And also the cellars connected with the said premises so far as the lessor has power to grant the same but not further or otherwise”.
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The hereditaments and premises demised by an Indenture of Lease dated the 31st day of December, 1941, made between the Dublin Fever Hospital of Cork Street in the City of Dublin of the one part and Philip Ryan of the other part and therein described as “All that and those that plot or piece of ground situate in the Parish of Saint Peter and city of Dublin measuring in front to East James’s Street forty-four feet one inch in breadth in the rere forty-one feet eleven inches and in depth from front to rere on the North East side twenty-six feet three inches and on the South West to Baggot Street Lower fourteen feet eight and one-half inches be the said several admeasurements more or less bounded on the North West by East James’s Street aforesaid on the North East by premises in the occupation of the Lessor on the South East by the holding of James Daly Lessee and on the South West by Baggot Street Lower aforesaid with the messuages and buildings erected thereon and known as Number one East James’s Street which said premises are shown on the plan annexed to these presents and thereon edged with red and also the cellars underneath the premises Numbers 1 and 2 East James Street aforesaid as coloured blue on the said map so far as the Lessors have the power to grant same but not further or otherwise and also the staircase formerly being part of Number 2 East James Street, but which has been cut off from Number 2 East James Street many years ago as the same has been enjoyed by the occupier of Number 1 East James Street for many years past as coloured yellow on the said map”.You guys have been busy!
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Hi Guys, you are spot on!
I can tell you are 100% correct, as this used to be my fathers pub. This photo must have been taken in the 50’s though as the whole front of the pub was “modernised” in the 60’s.
The address was 1 East James’s Street / 52 Lower Baggot Street. Dublin 2.
My dad had the pub for many years until he was forced to sell as the Bank of Ireland had bought up the whole block in the name of progress! They must be very proud of the monstrosity they built.
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Ha! No I didn’t come on the scene till long after that!
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well what a surprising end to a great thread!
(don’t send e.ryan to the baggot street BoI thread 😉 )
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Hi my wife was born in east james st, her father freqented P ryans pub in the 50s we were wondering if anyone as any pictures of east James st and if anyone remembers William Duff or the family Philomena duff Tony Duff thanks
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Look at the appalling brick frontage on ‘The Auld Triangle’ pub in that photo!
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@vfj wrote:
Hi my wife was born in east james st, her father freqented P ryans pub in the 50s we were wondering if anyone as any pictures of east James st and if anyone remembers William Duff or the family Philomena duff Tony Duff thanks
I was born in James Lane off East James St in 1950 and lived there until 1959. My father also frequented Phil Ryans pub. In Dublin Heritage.ie electoral index there are Duffs mentioned in the area including some in James Tce which you entered thru an archway at the top of James Lane. I think the boy in the photo is from a Murphy family who lived just about over the archway into Rock Lane almost beside Larry Murphys pub.
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The pub looks like Mahaffeys (bad spelling) in Pearse Street.
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