Over Use of Brick in Dublin
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I for one am sick to deat of the overuse of brick in modern buildings in the city. I live in the apartments in the IFSC and am surrounded by red brick everywhere. Whilst it is fine for a building to use brick when defering to its surroundings, in the IFSC there is no excuse, and the more I think about it, If someone wants to get planning permission, all they have to do is build it using red brick, (Can you imagine the SOM tower opposite the customs house if that was done in brick, they probably would have given it permission!!!). Can we start to use different materials, stone (esp Portland) Finished Concrete, stucco etc? Or is our Architecture going to remain brick dominated?
Rory W
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You are so right.
To get planning pemission in Dublin/Ireland:
a. Use red brick
b. Stick a stupid clock tower on itFor extra brownie points:
c. Use crappy looking legoey plastic windows
d. Tacky looking polished granite or some other similarly plastic looking conglomerate.Honestly, that pathetic Jury’s thing and the DDFH&B joke opposite Christchurch [!!] are a crime against our meagre heritage.
“So you wanna put a building beside Christchurch eh?”
“Yep, it’ll be red brick with a pointy bit and a clock tower on top – so it’ll fit right in! You’ll hardly be able to spot the difference between new and old.”
Give me strength…
John
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The truth is that in Ireland, brick is associated in the mind sof the people as quality. Look at the houses being built all over the countryside – large red brick boxes. Brick is something people aspire to – its not plastered concrete blocks but “quality” – money well spent.
In Dublin the developers use it for the same reason – their jerry built apartment blocks then have “quality” stamped on them. Look Busaras – derided by the ordinary man-in-the-street and believed by many to be concrete rather than portland stone.
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Oh, you’re right there Paul. Of course a lot of people don’t see the difference between beautiful old style brick with it’s smaller and shallower dimensions and lovely tough glazed finish and the modern crusty looking rubbish that usually appears these days.
Am I right in thinking that all lot of new ‘old brick’ may simply be dyed cement? Perhaps ‘distressed’ with acid or something.
John
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Yes I think it is treated with acid or something like that for that “genuine old look”. But I think I know what it really is that annoys me about the use of Brick. the Monotony of its use. Great swathes of uniform brickwork looks terrible. Just look at the apartments in Lombard Street all the same coloured brick with nothing in the way of relief, they look awful.
Its not that I have anything against brick (I think the South City Markets on Georges Street is one of the best buildings in Dublin), but why do developers make such awful use of brick (Ahh yes its boring, it will sell). Red brick looks really well when it is given some relief (the use of polychromatic designs in Victorian Houses looks great) and it breaks up the monotony, (Has anybody seen the restored brickwork on the side of the North City Markets off Capel Street – It looks really good).
If you want to see a building that has overdosed in brick, look at the apartment block south of the Kevin Street/Clambrassil Street Junction. With its tiny windows and great swathes of red brick it just looks ludicrous. Had it been rendered & finished in white paint, it would have worked. Actually since everything in that area is now finished in red brick (even the street setts are red brick) the area is beginning to resemble Mars.
Rory W
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Ha Ha!
Yes, there’s a lot of great examples of creative brickwork in Dublin. Some of it looks almost Venetian/Byzantine strangely enough. You know that great little church beside the awful imperialist looking ‘Smurfitt Paribas thing’ on Stephen’s Green in Dublin? But even Rory, some of the common houses around North Circular Road, Phibsboro etc. All over the place!
John
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So I guess that “they don’t build ’em like that anymore” applies. When did we stop using brick in a pleasureable way? If so why?
Worst red brick building in town I think (Besides the recent lego, clock towers etc) has to go to “Liffey House” on the Tara Street/Townsend Street Junction, simply awful.Rory W
Can anybody think of any decent modern brick buildings that are pleasing to the eye?
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Good God!
That looks amazing. Very Byzantine. I wonder what the opening hours are?
No wonder that Chusrch is so popular for weddings. I remember in 1990 going to and from an awful job I had [Murakami Wolf Swenson Animation {?} Studio] I used to admire it. They were cleaning it with some gloopy gel stuff – splodged it all over and covered it with cling film or something for a few days. What age is the Church?
I’d like to have a look inside St. Andrews on Westland Row too, but it’s usually shut in the evenings. Apparently there’s an old Italian Sculptor buried there plus some Renaissance paintings which according to the little photocopied guide are of “no real interest”. I’ll have to see for myself.
John
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Obviously Rory W is of a different mindset. I am of a differing opinion;having spent 5 years abroad and coming home in shock to the atrocious planning,the sheer vomiting of ugly constructions, having been formerly proud of our irish town and cityscapes and facing an eternity of misinterpretations of original architectural ideas; I came to one conclusion about certain misdemeanours which were built. Contextualize your prospective building within it’s site!!….There are so many places where they have created monstrosities but they have ignored it’s context. I am not saying “Build a replica but Get It Right!” My major reaction in a red brick situation is get it right! Look at Berlage in the Bourse in Amsterdam, St.Pauls within the walls on the Via Nazionale in Rome. Look at where we are coming from in a real situation and get it right. Take a beauty Rory on your doorstep….the George’s St Arcade and surroundings!!!Quit looking at the blue neon and smell the coffee!In all Rory W forget about the nauseating concrete…it does take some time to master a material!!! and architecture in Dublin has been given free reign and in practical home or work living have created disasters or living morgues for the most part.
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Alison,
I think the South City markets in Georges Street are absolutely brilliant. I also think the north city markets (Little Mary Street) will look brilliant when they have finished restoring it. I just think that there is adistinct lack of imagination these days when it comes to using brick. There is far too much emphesis on the use of brick in this city, as Paul said there is perceived “quality” in architecture these days in which brick is used. I dont know if its the fact that Brick is Low maintenance (Over say something which has to be painted) but in most developments these days there is just an overdose of brick. And its not usually old Dublin brick but bright red, and all in uniform swathes. The other factor that annoys about brick is the Twee factor that John white has consistantly mentioned on this site (Give it a clock tower and it gets permission).Yes, some people see concrete as evil in this city, but I do believe that it can also look beautiful. Stone can look cold but at least it looks different. I think what I am saying is that we need to just break up some of the uniformity, especially in new office/apartment block areas.
Rory W
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Sabháileann foirgneamh amhain an chearnóg os chomhair Christ Church – ar an taobh eile den bhothar in aice leis an tabairne ‘Lord Edward’ . Úsaidtear brick ansin ach nios cosiúla leis an scoil i Ranelagh ná Jurys. TaitnaÃonn sé liom ach is soileair nach bhfuil an togála criochnaithe go foill.
One building save the area oppostite Christ Church – the new one on the corner opposite the Lord Edawrd pub. Brick is used there but more reflective of the Ranelagh school [as above] than the Jurys complex next to it.
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Exposed finely detailed concrete is a beautiful material. Playing with different aggregates and cements gives a large pallette of colours and textures. Ian Ritchie has used exposed concrete to wonderful effect on the Jubillee Line exhaust shafts in London Docklands (sorry no images).
Brick/masonry is probably an underused material not explored to its limits. When one just thinks about what Gaudi did with masonry it shows we are limited only by our imagination.
Masonry has a wonderful heritage in Ireland. The dry stone walling of the west of Ireland, the cottages, Dun Aengus in Aran, Clonmacnois… the list is endless. Maybe we should consider it as more than a cladding material and make it truely expressive…………
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John: re. University Church
There is a history of the Church available – unfortunately I don’t know what it’s called or who wrote or publishes it. But if it’s any help, I saw it in Eason’s on O’Connell Street, in the small section on Irish Architecture just as you go in the far right door. Might as well have a look there!
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Further to this conversation and my other posting about ‘Decoration’ and the lack of.
I love that ornate Venetian/byzantine style building in Dublin.
Which one? Try looking on Westmoreland Street. Where you wouldn’t expect and some wouldn’t even notice. The Amusement Arcade in the bottom of it is quite a distraction.
I wonder when they’ll demolish that?
John
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I think brick was used in a lot of 1970’s buildings, esp. in Lower Mount Street, and kind of makes the use of it seem inadvisable. The truth is that these buildings were probably designed on a lower budget with pre-cast concrete originally intended as the cladding material. When the budget was increased and/or they realised they would get P.P. with brick instead, that is what they decided to use. The problem is usually with the design and not the brick. Polished Granite isn’t so bad. I think a few good examples of brick use include the new foyer and fronting square in UCD Blackrock, Co. Dublin. The library next to this is also aside this space.
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