One-Off Eco House ?
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October 29, 2004 at 12:29 pm #707446
Anonymous
InactiveHi, I am looking to return home to Donegal, and build a one-off house for myself and family.
The land is on the coast, so it would be a shame not to build something that took advantage of the views of the atlantic, but I am a bit concerned about local planners attitudes to a non-traditional house. A family memeber built a house, half-way up a hill, with views back over Sligo, Mayo, and Donegal bay, but the planners would’nt let them have much glass, and forced them into really small windows, 3’x3′ which kind of defeated the object of building it where they did.
I also got onto An Taisce to see if they had any guidelines, or literature to guide a person to build a house that they wouldn’t automatically object to, and got told, apply for planning, if we object, we object! I was hoping for something a bit more constructive than that!I also want to build as eco-friendly as possible. Solar/Wind powered elements, and countering the environmental impact that the build has, by planting trees etc.Does anyone have any experience of battling the planners to get a one-off “modern” house, as opposed to a traditional house?
Does anyone have any experience of winning an argument against An Taisce by using their own guidelines? (if there is such a thing)
Can anyone provide me with a source who maybe able to help work out the CO2 emissions for concrete, against the required number of trees to replace that CO2?Thanks in advance for your help,
JM
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October 29, 2004 at 12:59 pm #748226
sw101
Participantpick up a copy of the Cork Rural Design Guide from easons, 20 squid. has lots of info on appropriate forms, site selection, so on and so forth. sets out your options without getting an architect in at this early stage. it’s published by cork county planning office but is applicable anywhere really.
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October 29, 2004 at 1:26 pm #748227
Devin
ParticipantOriginally posted by jmiom2004
I also got onto An Taisce to see if they had any guidelines, or literature to guide a person to build a house that they wouldn’t automatically object to, and got told, apply for planning, if we object, we object! I was hoping for something a bit more constructive than that!An Taisce is a small independent organisation with small resources!
Did you get on to the govermentment & ask them why there are no guidelines for Donegal.
If the government had made sure every county had guidlines like the Cork guidelines several years ago Ireland might not be blighted with so many nasty one-off houses. -
October 29, 2004 at 2:39 pm #748228
bluefoam
ParticipantOriginally posted by Devin
If the government had made sure every county had guidlines like the Cork guidelines several years ago Ireland might not be blighted with so many nasty one-off houses.or so many shameful dormer bungalows.
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October 29, 2004 at 3:45 pm #748229
tommyt
Participantyou may get lucky with the individual planner.I know someone building a straw bale house in Carlow who happened to get a planner that had done her thesis on them!. sailed through the process
try get a pre planning discussion w/ the council.(probably will be around 2008 though !)
on the CO2 thing that should be easy to work out but your conditions would probably cover a provision for native species so you may not have enough land to indulge in yr own carbon trading/eco-budget
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October 29, 2004 at 4:36 pm #748230
Paul Clerkin
KeymasterSurely the most eco friendly thing would not to build on the site and ruin the view for ever?
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October 29, 2004 at 5:55 pm #748231
burge_eye
ParticipantAs Paul seems to be in a jovial mood, You could try these guys – they seem to have rural design sussed.
http://www.irishhousedesigns.com/twostorey.htm
(apologies for crossing threads but it IS Friday evening)
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October 29, 2004 at 6:01 pm #748232
Anonymous
InactiveI want the Liffey design, I think it will help with the planners, especially that colour. Although I like the colours of the others too, maybe I could paint each external wall a different colour….
Come on guys/gals, constructive replies, you’ll feel better for it…..
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October 29, 2004 at 6:04 pm #748233
Anonymous
InactiveOriginally posted by Paul Clerkin
Surely the most eco friendly thing would not to build on the site and ruin the view for ever?Should I live in or under a tree then? Where do you live?
I have considered using earth-sheltered to reduce the visual impact the build would have, but I guess that depends on the County Development plan, and their mysterious “Location, Siting and Design guide” which I can’t seem to get anywhere, because it probably don’t exist. I guess it’s like the Cork book, so I will start there.
Thanks for the constructive responses.
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October 29, 2004 at 6:08 pm #748234
Anonymous
ParticipantOriginally posted by jmiom2004
Should I live in or under a tree then? Where do you live?
You should look for a decent site at the edge of the town, many of the County Development plans will only grant planning permission those with links to the local community such as those born there or teachers, Gardai, farmers etc.
I recently called a County Council to discuss a development matter, it was at the edge of a small town and had a lot of development adjacent but on the country side of the site.
I was told quite frankly that because I wasn;t a local I wouldn’t get PP no matter what to develop anything on the site it was ‘reserved for locals’
That is fair enough.
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October 29, 2004 at 6:19 pm #748235
Anonymous
InactiveSaw this in Hodges Figis today, but as you seem to be in the Isle of Man I thought I would show you the link to it on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0750657340/ref=sib_db_rdr/002-4580827-6019236#reader-link
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October 29, 2004 at 6:28 pm #748236
Paul Clerkin
KeymasterOriginally posted by jmiom2004
Should I live in or under a tree then? Where do you live?
Seeing as you asked… in the city centre in a house built in 1914 with original period features 😀 not ruining any views for the future generations…. 😀
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October 29, 2004 at 6:36 pm #748237
Anonymous
InactiveHope it falls down!
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October 29, 2004 at 6:40 pm #748238
Anonymous
InactiveNot really, very nice, sounds about the same as the house I currently have in IOM. Only thing I found with an older house was the maintenance, floors, windows, walls etc. I prefer the older style house, but find it hard to imaging an old hosue with a glass facade, whilst being eco-aware.
So, what’s your problem with people building in the country? I don’t want to ruin the view, hence my original post? I want an eco-friendly house with as little impact on the environment and views as possible, but whilst still being able to enjoy the views.
I guess it’s time to read the books, county plans, and visit an architect…
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November 11, 2004 at 11:52 pm #748239
lostcarpark
ParticipantFind a local architect who knows the planners, and will be able to tell you what sort of thing they’re likely to go for.
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November 12, 2004 at 11:48 am #748240
shadow
Participant“The land is on the coast, so it would be a shame not to build something that took advantage of the views of the atlantic, but I am a bit concerned about local planners attitudes to a non-traditional house.”
The first porblem is zoning, will a one off house be allowed on the land. If zoning is a problem this may be overcome if there is an older house on the land whcih is to be replaced or refrubished. Regardles of the above th elocal authority may have a residency (family/work) link requirement. Even though I think this is constitutionally flawed and in clonflict with a number of EU declarations/regulations it can be the most problematic. It does appear that you have the requiste linkage with the area.
Option 1 where there is no impediment and no restriction on a one off house.
The site is the key issue. A full analysis of the site will indicate the correct approach form an architectural (including enviornmental) poiint of view. (“Views” may compromise this approach).
Option2 where is some impediment but there is an existing building.
The site is also key but re-occupying the existing is a more appropriate approach.
Option 3 where there is a lot of impediment to building anything
Employ a suitablly ualified and experienced architect and argue the case first at local level and then at ABP level.
Option 4
Instigate a mini competition, through Archeire or others to establish best practice.
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December 16, 2004 at 1:42 am #748241
Anonymous
InactiveCheers for all the help, a local guy is on the case. (architect by trade)
I’ll keep y’all posted
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January 10, 2005 at 11:27 pm #748242
Arizona
ParticipantAm very intereseted in how you are getting on. Am also in Donegal with site and wish to build eco friendly house with large windows. Have yet to source eco friendly architect locally and have same concerns with planners.
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January 12, 2005 at 10:01 pm #748243
Anonymous
Inactiveemail me, jm@mindless.com, I can share some offline info with you.
I don’t want to be accused of advertising….!
Cheers
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