New Ireland Assurance office blocks dawson Street
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May 30, 2007 at 1:23 pm #709414notjimParticipant
So there is an article about these in todays Times commercial prop:
Basically the BoI has decided not to sell them yet, the weird thing is Jack Fagan writes about the probability the buildings will eventually be demolished and rebuilt as six story shops
“The formula – similar in many ways to the development being carried out in South King Street by businessman Joe O’Reilly – would have appealed to Dublin city planners because not only would it have led to the demolition of two unattractive 1960s and 1970s office blocks, but it would have greatly strengthened the appeal of Dawson Street as a retail venue.”
Does anyone really find these buildings unattractive, does anyone believe a replacement building will be more respectful of the rhythm and scale of the street?
May 30, 2007 at 2:06 pm #789442AnonymousInactive
It is interesting you should raise this as well Notjim. I had raised it on another thread earlier today. As you say, their scale is in keeping with the rest of Dawson Street.
May 30, 2007 at 2:10 pm #789443AnonymousInactive
Oops, sorry, same quote and everything!
May 30, 2007 at 2:18 pm #789444AnonymousInactive
No need for apologies.
May 30, 2007 at 4:23 pm #789445AnonymousInactive
When you consider the horrors of the 70s those buildings look totally unexceptional now, even relatively pleasant in the case of the southern building.
May 30, 2007 at 7:42 pm #789446
Call me a sentimental fool to worry about a 1960’s office building but I think that this building more than any other stands for all that was good in the economic renaisance under Lemass and symbolised the commercialised New Ireland they sought and successfully delivered.
The market will probably win on this one but it will be a shame that the era only has a tobaconists building to be remembered by
I hope that the doorcase at the very least is preserved if not the facade of the Dawson lane building; the side frontage would make some spectacle if glazed like Castlethorn’s Gaiety Centre on South King St and is South Facing
May 31, 2007 at 3:28 pm #789447AnonymousInactive
If ever there were two buildings that should have their facades preserved it’s these pair – can’t believe the IT called them ugly – shame on you Irish Times
May 31, 2007 at 5:59 pm #789448AnonymousInactive
I agree. They’re fine buildings and the facades at least should remain.
June 1, 2007 at 9:08 am #789449AnonymousInactive
Anyone been inside these buildings and care to comment on their interior? As people are probably bored of my views on facadism I wont ramble on about it again 😉 . The situation with a modernist building is an interesting one though, as often their interior has been changed on a superficial level throughout the short lifespan of the building, and the structure of the building allows it to be altered considerably without it being completely replaced. What is being proposed by other posters is interesting as in recent years the trend has been to retain the structure of the building and make additions whilst replacing the facade. Goldsmith Hall being an example that springs to mind (It seemed that this was also done on the old Department of Foreign Affairs on St Stephens Green, but I can’t say for sure).
June 1, 2007 at 9:15 am #789450
I have been inside one of them and it was spectacularly mundane.
The key driver of any transaction on this site will be a change of use to retail. Maximum office rents would be €500 per square metre whilst a Zone A retail rent well in excess of €2500 would be acheivable given the up market feel of the street and lack of large floor plates south of the river.
I am unsure where Jack Fagan got 6 floors of retail from though; Even John Lewis or House of Frasier rarely go over 3 over ground/Basement.
I would have though more Basement, Ground, first/second and two floors of offices above which would need to be set back to give the mezzanine heights required at ground and first.
The problem is that as attractive as this facade is it would be completely useless as retail frontage unless altered significantly.
June 1, 2007 at 9:42 am #789451AnonymousInactive
Hard to see them working as retail, a book shop maybe, of course, that is why we list buildings.
June 1, 2007 at 9:49 am #789452
Can’t see a book shop in the market for more than 20,000 sq feet which is only a third of the floor area discussed. With Waterstones already on the Street that only leaves Borders as an occupier on that scale who are actively acquiring.
They may or may not want to come in town given their existing presence at Westend retail park Dublin 15.
So it looks like an all or nothing situation!
June 1, 2007 at 10:59 am #789453AnonymousInactive
Something like fnac would be great (fnac sells books, CDs, DVDs, Hi-Fi, Games, Consoles, laptops, TVs, cameras, toys & educational stuff for the little ones, has concerts, ticketing, cafes and internet access) they have them on the continent and they are fantastic (in particular for CDs they have all the albums by the artist available all the time – brilliant stock management) and most stores would easily take up 20000 sq ft. Come on fnac this is your opportunity to enter the english speaking market!
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