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  • #706954
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Got this sent in via email…

    Visited the cemetery recently and was shocked to see some of the older headstones and monuments being removed to provide space for new burials. Is there any restriction on this? I feel the cemetery is being compromised with regard to its situation as a repository of historical/genealogical information.

    Any comments on validity?

    #741990
    FIN
    Participant

    i know that u can’t touch a graveyard, development wise, for 600 years… don’t know about headstones…maybe if they just moved them to the side. i have seen that before…don’t know about removed though

    #741991
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Fin, they did that in Wolfetone Park.

    #741992
    FIN
    Participant

    they removed headstones phil?

    #741993
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Some of them were left imbedded into the ground (I am not sure what that stylye is called. It is where the headstone is on the ground as opposed to standing vertically.) It looks like most of them were moved to the south end of the park and piled up against the wall. Of course it could have been that some of the headstones had been piled like this before the park was converted, but it is hard to tell.

    #741994
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I was there only yesterday, it’s a great shame so many of the stones are illegible as they’re stacked against each other, so all those in the middle and at the back are completely hidden.
    And the ones in the ground are facing the wall rather than the park.

    If this happens with Mount Jerome it would be a great shame.
    But surely the headstones on the plots are private property, and presumably many of the larger monuments are protected?

    #741995
    FIN
    Participant

    yea. i can understand that . i have seen that done before. it just is that the space is needed for more dead. it’s a shame they are not preserved but it’s church property and of course their may have to be permission from the families. which just thinking there may bring up a point. are they family plots? cos if they are then the family have removed them to replace with their own stones…
    and yea graham i would presume that they would protect the larger tombs/crypts.
    it would be nice to preserve the headstones but that costs money and who is going to pay for it!

    #741996
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Originally posted by Graham Hickey
    I was there only yesterday, it’s a great shame so many of the stones are illegible as they’re stacked against each other, so all those in the middle and at the back are completely hidden.
    And the ones in the ground are facing the wall rather than the park.

    Graham, or anyone else for that matter, do you know if those headstones were stacked up there during the conversion of the park into its present format, or were they arranged like that some time before that?

    Thanks

    Phil

    #741997
    Denny Boy
    Participant

    I heard somewhere that a graveyard can use existing plots for new burials after a period of time. I don’t know much about land law but I think the plot needs to be bought outright to avoid this.

    #741998
    faolteam
    Participant

    Can i just say that this has been a happing a lot since mount jerome has been taken over by the new management its there way of making money and teh introduction of the Crematoriumn and the caskets for burial

    at the end of the day it might sound bad but its a money venture now i am afraid and yes i am totally against it 🙁

    #741999
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It does seem like the ultimate invasion of privacy, I do feel that the management company should have looked at other means of increasing revenue such as increasing management charges on the common areas.

    #742000
    JPD
    Participant

    @Thomond Park wrote:

    It does seem like the ultimate invasion of privacy, I do feel that the management company should have looked at other means of increasing revenue such as increasing management charges on the common areas.

    That could put older people under pressure financially, the question I would ask is this; can the management company justify this?

    #742001
    faolteam
    Participant

    To be honest i would be totally annoyed if someone was to use my grave full stop i own thw land i have the deeds, so i think its a total disgrace for anyone to do this , secondly the state that some of the graves up in Mount Jerome are left in is an absolute disgrace, i can understand that some people die and there is no one to look after them etc

    So if the managaement were to charge a nominal fee for this provision at the request of the owners etc it might not be a bad idea
    😎

    #742002
    GrahamH
    Participant

    What does it involve – the digging up of remains or the placement of the caskets closer to the surface?

    Either way it’s a horrible practice. If our methods for burial into the future and the law need to be changed on account of the unsustainable practices currently used, then so be it, but do not interfere with what’s already taken place.

    #742003
    faolteam
    Participant

    Ok Folks Let Us Bring This Matter Up With The Joe Duffy Show Or The Gerry Ryan Show ???

    Going Of The Subject All Togehtehr Are Diplomatic Cars Exempt From Prosecution ??

    #742004
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    Headstones lying flat on the ground are called slab graves (or slab stones) as far as I know- don’t know if this applies to headstones that were formerly upright and have been laid flat. There are also a couple of them behind Dublin Civic Offices, at the top of the hill above the amphitheatre- almost completely illegible now.
    The ones in Wolfetone Park were moved to the edge prior to the redesign (ahem) of the park. What concerns me now is their future, in light of the planning application for the redevelopment of the site adjacent to, i.e directly south of, the park, with which the park shares a boundary.

    #742005
    Rory W
    Participant

    @ctesiphon wrote:

    Headstones lying flat on the ground are called slab graves (or slab stones) as far as I know- don’t know if this applies to headstones that were formerly upright and have been laid flat. There are also a couple of them behind Dublin Civic Offices, at the top of the hill above the amphitheatre- almost completely illegible now.
    The ones in Wolfetone Park were moved to the edge prior to the redesign (ahem) of the park. What concerns me now is their future, in light of the planning application for the redevelopment of the site adjacent to, i.e directly south of, the park, with which the park shares a boundary.

    Are they redeveloping the FAS building? If so – good, it’s awful particularly when viewed from the park with its barbed wire on the rere wall.

    What’s going in its place?

    And anyone know what’s happening to St. Mary’s Church conversion to a boozer which must be into its 4th year at this stage…

    #742006
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I thought the St Mary’s Church was nearly completed! Has it been delayed recently?

    ctesiphon, that is a good point you make regarding the fate of the headstones at the south end of the Square. Do you have any idea as to what form this new development is going to take?

    #742007
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    I was in the square a couple of weeks back with a classmate (Planners) and we noticed a site notice on the adjacent building (I presume that’s the FAS building?). If memory serves, it was for apartments with, presumably, some sort of retail outlet on the ground floor, though I could be mistaken. I do remember thinking that it would be taller than the existing building (currently 3 storeys?).
    St Mary’s Church seemed to be almost there (I know, I know…), with the hoardings gradually being removed. It was my first time seeing the glazed addition to the north-east corner, not unlike IM Pei’s Deutsches Historiches Museum glazed cone ramp thingy.
    I agree that the FAS site redevelopment is welcome, but I must say I quite like that southern end of the park with the blank wall, the trees, the sandy floor, the table-tennis table- it makes a change from the bleak, hard-edged body of the rest of the park. (Not a fan, in case you couldn’t tell.)

    #742008
    jimg
    Participant

    I dislike that park redevelopment. I knew I would as soon as I heard a description of a plan for a “plaza-like” development (what is it with planners’ current fixation with the word “plaza”?) containing “interesting street furniture” based on the theme of “opening the space to the public”. Ya, it’s grand and open now but I personally don’t get the urge to “enter” a glorified area of pavement. If they actually maintained it as a park when it was there, it could have been lovely; instead it was one of the most under developed parks in the city center. It must have represented one of the last public green areas in the north inner city. I guess a big factor for the council was cost although they presented it as an improvement to the urban environment; the “plaza” is probably much cheaper to maintain than a garden-like park.

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