Monuments, monuments, monuments
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Rory W.
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March 7, 1999 at 2:47 pm #704610
Anonymous
ParticipantOf the three finalists in the O’Connell monument competition I think the glass column by Jonathan Bennett was by far the best answer to the brief. The play on the absence of Nelson and its being a negative monument was clever and subtle (in so far as any giant column in the middle of a street can be subtle).
The thing I find bizarre about this whole episode is the way Dublin Corporation found it necessary to have a ‘monument’ at all. They didn’t even know what they wanted to celebrate, as shown by the fact that the competitors not only had to design a form, but they also had to come up with something to celebrate with the form – in the case of the winners a celebration of the Irish Diaspora.
I would have thought that monuments usually were built when there was an overwhelming need to comemorate something, this need taking shape in the form of a built monument. It seems sort of strange that this is reversed, and Irish people are casting about for something to celebrate.
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March 7, 1999 at 2:47 pm #711833
Anonymous
Participantabsolutely, and the comment that the absent pillar one wasn’t chosen because ‘young people might find it difficult to relate to it was crass and patronising.
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March 7, 1999 at 2:47 pm #711834
Anonymous
Participant…. as every old person knows – “all young people are on drugs!” so the needle will make a connection with them
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March 9, 1999 at 8:28 am #711835
Paul Clerkin
KeymasterI tend to agree with you Owen. The glass obelisk was definitely the most interesting design but to my mind posed some interesting questions: wear; cleaning; its huge weight.
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March 11, 1999 at 3:34 pm #711836
owen
ParticipantDetails! Details!
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March 14, 1999 at 11:49 pm #711837
Anonymous
ParticipantDid anybody find the comments of the judges very elitist? First, I don’t think I would have the opportunity to fly anywhere near the city centre and secondly, there is no flight path over the city centre. It is statements like this that alienates architects / designers whatever from the public.
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March 15, 1999 at 1:30 pm #711838
BTH
ParticipantI think that this was a fantastic idea, more creative and imaginitive than the needle. However, the old Pillar was an absolute monstrosity, stumpy and much too wide at the base to be elegant. this scheme added even more width, and looked badly out of proportion, especially in the perspective sketches. As such, I believe that the needle is a stunningly elegant proposal, beautiful in it’s simplicity. I can’t wait to see it finished.
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March 15, 1999 at 3:01 pm #711839
Celfi
ParticipantHere’s some vintage footage of the previous monument on this site:
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March 15, 1999 at 3:25 pm #711840
Paul Clerkin
Keymasterhttp://indigo.ie/~grabe/movies/Nelson.mov
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May 15, 1999 at 4:50 pm #711841
Anonymous
ParticipantThe third placed entry is really quite interesting – much more so than the second placed entry which would appear very dated very quickly (a fate which may also befall the winner).
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June 28, 1999 at 7:05 pm #711842
James McQuillan
ParticipantI suppose that it is unnecessaaty to remind Dubliners that the Needle could be considered as a Testimonial rather than a Monument, on the lines of Wellington’s Testimonial in the Park. Anyway the word Monument means ‘to remember’ and usually of the dead, but the replacement of the word ‘Monument’ by ‘Testimonial’ could refer to the living Diaspora, just as the Wellington one did – built in the lifetime of the Duke.
Then Dublin could have two Testimonials! Let’s celebrate our living relatives rather than the dead ones.
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June 30, 1999 at 2:49 pm #711843
Rory W
ParticipantWhen is it going to be built, as there is no sign of action on site.
Anyway with a sex shop opening next door this giant phallic object will make a great advert for it.
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