Major Traffic Flow Changes for St Stephen’s Green

This is certainly radical – just wondering can you provide a source? What radio programme was it on?

Where can we see the details?

Normally DCC announce things by public edict – after consultation on draft plans. Can’t see anything on dublincity.ie about this yet.

so, traffic coming north on harcourt street will have to turn right across the luas track? or will harcourt street become public transport and access only, running along SG west? What about access to the RCSI multistorey via glover street?

Thanks for the link, blue.
So SG west will be closed for July and Aug for rebuilding. I guess in this period buses and taxis will have to go anticlockwise along green?
Will vehicles wanting to turn right off the green into Merrion Row be allowed? I guess not – they’ll have to continue round, down Dawson, across Molesworth, up Kildare St and back out past the Shelbourne?
Vehicles coming up Kildare St and heading for Earlsfort Tce will probably have to go out Merrion Row as well and turn right up Ely place and Hume st…
I wonder will traffic be allowed turn right out of Hume St and head down Dawson?
This reform has the potential to make life a lot easier for cyclists around the green if there is a little imagination applied…

Originally posted by blue

Well the way I see it the traffic on Stephens Green East will be one way so this traffic will have to use Pembroke St and Lesson St to access Earlsfort Tce.

You may be right but they would be more sensible to keep SG East two way – the pressure on the Pembroke St – Leeson St junction will be unbearable if they do as you predict. Surely all the buses from Nassau St which pick up outside the OPW will have to continue to use the Green?

i couldn’t realy make sense of the ST article, what Graham Hickey says makes much more sense, in particular, the ST diagram implied SG east would be one way the other way, but then, how would you get from Nassau Street to Cuffe St?

Cheers sue, where is document? is it online? I couldn’t find it on any of the obvious sites?

I think the whole idea is to make it awkward for those who want to go from Nassau St to Cuffe st to put them off going that way!

What are all those old dears with their jeeps dropping their kids into Loretto going to do now? I presume triple parking will be impossible now. 😀

Fair play,

Stephens Green West has been a disater since the LUAS went in, they are right to try it, they can always reverse it if it doesn’t work 😉

Yes, the Loreto parents will be severely discommoded – the council factored that into their decisions!

The report is entitled Report to the Chairman and Members of the Traffic and Transportation Strategic Policy Committee, produced by the Roads and Traffic Dept. Given that it was presented to the traffic and transportation strategic policy committee, I don’t see why they wouldn’t hand it out.

They used the DTO Saturn model to provide an origin/destination matrix, and traffic count data from 2003 and 2004 to provide the traffic volumes for the Green. This found that the two dominant movements are Cuffe Street to Merrion Row (522 vehicles in the peak hour or 50% of Cuffe Street traffic) and Leeson Street to Dawson Street (855 vehicles in the peak hour or 67% of Leeson Street traffic). The former route is now made extremely difficult; the latter is being kept but going in a different direction along Stephen’s Green East.

I predict disaster if the proportion of traffic turning right at the top of Pembroke St to flow West towards the Green is doubled by this innovation.

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In addition to the current heavy stream (esp evening rush hour) you will have
(a) the (non bus) flow that currently comes up Kildare St and along SG East
(b) the flow the comes up Merrion St and through Ely place onto the Green

YES, BUT THERE WILL BE LESS TRAFFIC ON MERRION ROW DUE TO THE FACT THAT CARS CAN’T GO DIRECTLY ON TO IT FROM CUFFE STREET VIA STEPHEN’S GREEN WEST AND NORTH. AND, AS THE RESEARCH SHOWED, HALF OF ALL CUFFE STREET TRAFFIC IS DOING THAT.

One point I’d love to know: does anyone have a date as to when the Green was last two-way, even in part?

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I’m not sure what the Cuffe St flow has to do with my Pembroke St point however.

Doesn’t Merrion Row traffic go on to Pembroke Street via Lower Baggot Street, or am I mixing up roads?

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As a matter of interest where do they think the Cuffe to Merrion Row traffic will mainly go instead? Dame St, North quays or Canal ring? None are all that fluid.

The report says: “Anyone wanting to get from Harcourt Street or Cuffe Street onto Merrion Row will have to go along Stephens Green South, left onto Stephens Green East, right onto Dawson St, right onto Molesworth St, right onto Kildare St, left onto Stephen’s Green North, and straight onto Merrion Row”.

Would you bother? I think only in an emergency….

You are mixing up roads I’m afraid.
Merrion Street runs past the back of the Dail and government buildings and joins at right angles to Merrion row. Its significance is that Westland Row (i.e. North City) traffic heading for Earlsfort Terace, Ranelagh and Rathgar etc use it intensively – esp at evening rush hour.

On the second point I’m not expressing myslef clearly. Cuffe St traffic is not heading for Merrion Row itself – this is by far the most smooth flowing solution to go South from the South inner City. Say you are in either Temple Bar or on the north quays the smart way to reach e.g. Ballsbridge or Donnybrook is to head for Cuffe St and then its plain sailing around the green and down Baggot St (until now that is). The future options will be to follow the north quays to matt talbot and across or alternatively to take Clanbrasil St and turn left at Harold’s Cross and down the canal which is already wicked.