m50 and our motorways
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hi all.
i heard something the other day about the new extension to the m50 motorway. sounds kind of strange as it will stop either side of an important site. i think something of great importance was discovered there recently. i wonder how this new part of the road will work? it does seem kind of silly that it will stop either side of this site. i wonder will it create more problems than actually solve them. i hear that cars will be flooding out on to smaller streets/roads as a result. anyone care to comment? i also wonder will there be electronic tolls introduced in to the country? i mean a system where u simply drive straight through the toll while a camera takes a picture of your reg, then they just bill you by mail. it would save time.
by the way poor poor naz, keeps getting picked on. while he makes some good points he does tend to drag it out but then again so do plenty of others on the site from what i can see. oh well i suppose he is only new to the site as he keeps saying.
cheers lads.
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saw that on the paper. i dont think they’re phsycally bringing the road to opposite edges of the site, rather they are completing it as far as possible for practical use. i imagine they’re hoping the wall-hugging hippies will be too stoned some sunday and go to mass in some old cairn, then they can sneak in and complete it.
i really dont understand why this castle could be said to be so important. if they got time team in they could figure out the whole lot in 3 days and go home happy. its just an old bloody proddy outpost on the edge of the pale and i say screw it, progression not regression. i imagine the same fools who are all for skyscrapers (naz) and innercity deelopment are completelely opposed to this sort of ruinous activity, and vice versa. i dont think this bunch of little walls is any more important than the wrecked foundation of a georgian house in dublin, and when it comes to it they have to be built upon.
anyway, it’ll give supersleuth archaeologists something to stroke their beards about in 100 years when we take up the road because we all use jetpacks run on earwax and soup scum (they’re very similar in bolton street skank-teen) and we’ve all chucked our cars into the sun
peace naz
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Originally posted by sw101
if they got time team in they could figure out the whole lot in 3 days and go home happy.Time Team are barred from operating in Ireland, the appropriate State body that issues licences to archaeologists wont let them in!
Anyhow, why this has occured is some jobsworth in the State sector has stubbornly refused to route a slip road away from the site because it would damage their ego.
Similar ego boosting stubbornness cost the State EU funding for the Kildare bypass and also saw the original LUAS scheme being scuppered by the exclusion of the Ballymun route from the detailled route planning. The State employees in question should be sacked.
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I can’t understand why the arcaheologists are only called in when work on these projects is just about to start.
I mean, you can’t dig a hole anywhere in Dublin without unearthing something of interest. When these infrastructural projects are first conceived, why can’t preliminary digs be carried out all along proposed routes, before the planners go ahead.
Surely the investment would help head off potential showdowns with the enviro/ historical groups. -
Why not send the bill for the delay to the appropriate jobsworth and then see how quickly he changes his mind.
I’m all for preservation, but also would like to live in a country that moves. So preserve as much of the site as possible, if you loose some of it – thats life. Protestors who want to stop the roads etc (i.e no roads whatsoever) should also be sent the bill.
I’m delighted that the guy from the Madrid Metro lambasted the way things operate in this country – it really is a petty corrupt place
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Does anyone know the full story here? As far as a know (although it’s probably from the same source as my brother) only the Carrickmines interchange is the problem, not the road itself. This would suggest that the road can be built without the interchange, but sill allowing Dublin to be completely bypassed on the N1 (or E1 or whatever it’s officially called). However, I heard some wormy conservationist on the radio effectively saying that the road couldn’t be built because it determines the location of the interchange.
What’s going on?
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What’s worse about this is that about 6 months ago, I was talking to a senior member of An Taisce who lives locally and he was bullish at that stage that the issue was about to be resolved, i.e., that Dun Laoghaire Rathdown had agreed to reroute the slip road. What happened since I don’t know.
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only the Carrickmines interchange is the problem, not the road itself.
yep Andrew, thats the way I heard it too. As far as I know, they are going to press ahead with the motorway without the carrickmines interchange, so that it will be completed and open to traffic “on time” …
the plan is to build the carrickmines interchange at a later date, which can be done without causing distruption, as with the recently completed cellbridge interchange on the N4.
think i heard all that on the radio yesterday morning whilst semi-asleep 🙂
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But thats the whole point of road usage isn’t it… as quick as you build the roads the cares fill them! I am sure the same thing will happen with the new M1 (or N01) when it opens. Meath dwellers will now have a quicker route into Dublin which will only fuel the urban sprawl in this county.
Too many cars, too much traffic
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The main problem with the M50 is the ridiculous roundabouts at every major junction. Whoever heard of traffic lights on roundabouts? I’ve never seen traffic lights on roundabouts in any other country.
Anyway these roundabouts are a cheap solution to proper interchanges – every major junction on the M50 should of the clover leaf design, eliminating the need for traffic lights. Traffic would be able to move freely without having to stop at lights. I constantly think how much easier my life would be if it wasn’t for the penny pinching and stupid design of these ‘interchanges’.
Because of these stupid designs it takes forever to get into town from Lucan and Blanchardstown etc.
I hope the planners have learned from previous mistakes and construct proper interchanges on the remainder of the M50, but will not hold my breath. This is Ireland after all, and dare I say it, a banana republic in many respects.
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The real problem with the M50 is that it isn’t a real ring road. It only rings about half of the city (and I’m not talking about the unfinished segment). Too many Dublin residents have to cross it to go to work or town as a matter of course. The obvious solution is to start a new ring road another ten miles out, past Tallaght, past Blanchardstown, past Lucan and so on.
The interchanges are also a disaster. People talk about increasing the M50 to three lanes either side (which is feasible). But it would be pointless unless capacity at the interchanges is improved upon.
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cool, thanks Andrew, nothing for the Red Cow ?? suppose it would have to be revised now anyway to incorporate a flyover for luas and to facilitate cars getting in to the park and ride at the depot …
do you know if these plans have been shelved ?? they’re going to have to implement them sooner or later, especially at the red cow …
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The M50 2×3 lane upgrade and the N4 junction (look – a real interchange!) are in planning:
http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/MajorRoadSchemesinPlanning/
Incidentally, even though the second M50 toll bridge has yet to open, it is currently being used by traffic while the dividing wall is removed from the older bridge. This means the near-suicidal merge required when changing from N4 Eastbound to M50 Northbound will still be required; I thought the wall would have made a good speed seperation like you see in the USA or Australia.
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Oh, the N2 and N7 ones are “through statutory approval”, which I think means out of planning:
http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/NationalPrimaryRoadSchemesthroughStatutoryApprovalProcess/
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Mmmm spagetti
Amazing how every piece of infrastructure buiilt in this country has to be fixed after a few years. There is such a short term view of things – get it in at a reasonable budget and sure if it doesn’t work we’ll fix it at a later date.
Bet you anything the junctions on the final section are going to be done in the cheap and cheerful manner of the rest only to be done properly a few years down the line.
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