Luas to the Point
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The RPA have officially announced their preferred route for the Luas line to the Point.
As expected, it goes straight down Mayor Street, which is hard to argue with.A basic map and a few fancy new computer generated pictures are available at:
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It looks good,
I hope at some stage they could extend this on to Ringsend and Irishtown.
About time they took a direct line,
It is a pity they didn’t leave the Ramp at Connolly Station and have the Stations at Harbourmaster Place and Lower Mayor Street to give a real sense of a civic space to The National College of Ireland.
Not there But getting there
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Dublin City Council have advocated a figure of eight LUAS line to connect the two existing lines. What they have proposed (outlined in todays Irish Times) is a line from James Street (junction where the Tallaght line heads south to Heuston) along Thomas Street, Cornmarket, High Street, Dame Street, College Green, Pearse Street, Cardiff Lane, Sir John Rogersons Quay and across the Liffey to the Point, to connect into the proposed extension to the Point. There would be spurs from O’Connell Street (junction with Line C) to Pearse Street via D’Olier Street and from College Green to the start of Line B (Harcourt Street LUAS).
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Originally posted by notjim
hey, diaspora, when i made a similar suggestion before you called me an idiot, no?I doubt I called you an idiot, but I am quite prepared to call the abondonment of the interconnector project as the preferred option idiotic.
My reading of public transport is simple, an integrated heavy rail system to link the major population centres. Buses to serve the smaller centres and Trams for the last kilometre of the journey in the city centre.
The RPA have presided over disaster over disaster and they are simply trying to get their stall in early for the next batch of infrastructural projects.
It simply doesn’t provide sufficient capacity, only an underground can, it really is that simple.
What are your views on the interconnector at 1bn as costed by the Oireachtas transport committee?
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actually, to be fair you changed my mind on the interconnector, i hadn’t understood at first how it ultimately fitted into the rest of the dart and heavy rail network. what i don’t understand now is what a thomas street dame street luas line will do that the interconnector doesn’t except give people at tallaght a choice and join trinity to its medical centres. is that the point, or am i not getting it?
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It will make Dublin look more like a European capital – not a reason in itself to push a head with a project. While I think it’s essential to extend the Green Line to meet the Red Line, (on O’Connell Street would be nice), the other link in this seems odd – there is a bridge due for construction this year linking Cardiff Lane to the other side of the river, specifically designed for light rail and road traffic, yet this plan proposes another bridge, so close to the east link that to allow a ship through would require both to be opened at once, cutting off all access between the two sides of the docks?
My preference is for the Interconnector and Dawson St., etc., tram line to be built first, then tripling/quadrupling and resignalling (no particular preference for electrification, but it’s nice) of the Northern and Kildare Lines. When that’s done, we could look at either building a new line to the Airport and Swords, either from the Northern line, or from the Maynooth line, which would serve Ballymun as well. If the Maynooth line is chosen, we could eventually extend it through Broadstone, tunnel to Ranelagh, relay the Harcourt St. line and have Seamus’ Metro. I’ve no attachment to a 5’3″ gauge, btw, but in that case there’d be no choice. -
Cut and paste this link into your browser to see a scanned image of the article
http://www.geocities.com/bishlit/figureOfeight.jpg
Thanks to Mark for that.
I hope this doesn’t diminish any plans for the interconnector. It will deliver, as Diaspora has pointed out, much needed capacity.
I do see lots of merit in all the major train stations being contacted by the circular Luas line but the Luas can never be a substitute to the metro/interconnector.
Capacity capacity capacity !!!
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The figure of eight wouldn’t take that long to complete in terms of the length of track, and the fact that they rpa already have extensive practice working on the luas.
The metrolink to the airport would begin to cater for northside traffic, and although much more costly, it can be built to interlink with the luas at connolly, and share the same track gauge and livery as the luas, but just run much heavier trains.
At the end of that phase of construction you would have a very good skeletal framework: a line running to Cherrywood, a line running to Tallaght, a line running to Swords and a very convenient City Centre loop.
The Dart network could then be extended by electrifying the arrow lines to Blanchardstown and Kildare. An interconnector tunnel linking Heuston and Connolly would join up the heavy rail system. In terms of project cost and completion this schedule would be very possible:
Figure of 8 Completion: 100 million 18mths: serious planning to start summer 2004, once current luas lines open. Planning phase one year, building 18 mths: open in Spring 2007.
Metro line Completion: 2 bn 18mths: planning to start once current luas lines open. Planning phase one year, building 18 mths: open in Spring 2007.
Arrow Electrification to kildare, navan and balbriggan, and Heavy rail interconnector: Start once Luas/Metro complete in summer 2007: Cost: 1.5 bn. Opening spring 2011.
You could overlap the planning phases, and have contiguous construction phases, so in about seven years you could invest a mere 500 million per year, and get a real good integrated system together comprising four dart lines/three luas metro lines with city centre circuit, and a joined up heavy rail system.
If the government just select the best parts of all the rival projects, they could be integrated in that fashion at very reasonable cost, in seven or eight years. There is no real political will to do that though.
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Originally posted by redeoin
If the government just select the best parts of all the rival projects, they could be integrated in that fashion at very reasonable cost, in seven or eight years. There is no real political will to do that though.There wasn’t even the will to tax and insure the fleet of smart cars for the euro elections. Eoin Ryan you have taken tax evasion to a new level
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Originally posted by blue
Whats that about?
It was a little piece in the Herald about the campaign cars being used by Eoin Ryan (Roystons running mate). Aparently the cars were neither taxed nor insured, I think the incident just about sums up the attitude towards transport in this government. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Diaspora
It was a little piece in the Herald about the campaign cars being used by Eoin Ryan (Roystons running mate). Aparently the cars were neither taxed nor insured, I think the incident just about sums up the attitude towards transport in this government. :rolleyes:I read the piece in question and despite the smileys attached to the two previous remarks, I still feel that to call it tax evasion or representative of the attitude of the government is going a bit far. Yes I smiled when I saw it, but I didn’t think it was front-page exclusive material then and still don’t.
The cars were new and hired for the campaign. I remember the article quoted someone as saying they were actually insured and taxed but for some reason the discs weren’t in place. Any oversight on the disc situation would be the fault of the promotions company or whoever supplied the cars to them. Ryan’s team presumably requested cars and obviously weren’t out to save the few quid by not having them taxed or insured.
Now if they had been, that would be a story.
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Originally posted by jlang
The cars were new and hired for the campaign. I remember the article quoted someone as saying they were actually insured and taxed but for some reason the discs weren’t in place. Any oversight on the disc situation would be the fault of the promotions company or whoever supplied the cars to them.According to the early edition there were no tax discs.
Originally posted by jlang
Ryan’s team presumably requested cars and obviously weren’t out to save the few quid by not having them taxed or insured.Now if they had been, that would be a story.
As GV Wright found out it would cost more than a few quid to have an accident while outside legal driving requirements.
Transport is a mess and shows no signs of being a coherent integrated network anytime this side of the 2009 euro elections.
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