Is there such a thing as an Irish National style?

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    • #704926
      Katherine
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      Are buildings like Newgrange and round towers the only type which can be described as inherently Irish? Is there such a thing as an Irish style?

    • #715384
      roskav
      Participant

      Just be as stylish as you can Catherine

    • #715385
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      surely you would have to define Irish first….

      is is irish before the vikings, after the vikings and before the normans etc etc….

    • #715386
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      I’m afraid Katherine the simple answer is
      “no” and nor should there be.Styless is
      the preferred option nowadays.
      Contemporary style

    • #715387
      JL
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      I think any building built in Ireland is inherently Irish

      With ref to e.carr – its interesting that the Irish free state decided that round towers/early christian stuff was the Irish national style – Finland had a similar question and decided that international modernism would be the direction their new-born state would take – it could have been us….

    • #715388
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      in fairness thats not all the picture…. the tds and ministers of the free state used to attend AAI meetings – unheard of now… and although we didnt adopt modernism as a national style (hate that phrase), at least we were building in a more modern style than the similarly young state of Northern Ireland… compare Department of Commerce Trade and Industry on Kildare Street to Stormount Castle….

    • #715389
      JL
      Participant

      I would think the Dept of Trade + Industry is the exception rather than the rule. Other areas of design had strong early christian refs – garda insignia etc. The early Christian reference also pops up again and again in representing Ireland through architecture – for the first monument to Irish WW1 dead built 2 yrs ago at Messines Ridge in Belgium a round tower was built – I think this was a non-govt project

    • #715390
      GregF
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      Is there really such a thing as a distinct national style, especially when you examine architecture history in general…..is’nt everything copied or borrowed from a commom source. Maybe one could say that there are distinct styles to geographical regions etc….When you get into the business of claiming a distinct national style there is usually a hidden agenda of the facist sort.I mean we here in Ireland have a varied architectural history (although bitty when compared to other countries) and it’s all a product of successive immigration of different peoples throughout the centuries, now is’nt it.

      …..To add passage graves and burial sites of the pre Celtic/Celtic sort like that of Newgrange can be found elsewhere in Britain and Europe……it is just that we make a song and dance about it that we tend to think that we are unique…..but maybe it is just as well because with our ignorance and stupidity we would probably have had it bulldozed years ago.

      [This message has been edited by GregF (edited 13 December 2000).]

    • #715391
      Martin Shiels
      Participant

      Given that the concept of a nation is meaningless in this day and age, a national style is equally meaningless. We should be aiming for the best quality style in our environment, built or otherwise.

    • #715392
      JL
      Participant

      My nationality means something to me – I am absolutley certain that I’m not Romanian.

    • #715393
      GregF
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      Well good for some but most folks who claim to be of the ‘auld sod’ are really a mixture of Celt, Dane, Norman,and Brit; collectively known today as Irish and not having either a word of the auld ancient tongue itself….. begorrah!
      People should’nt believe the myths, like religion they are the cause of wars.

    • #715394
      GregF
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      Well good for some but most folks who claim to be of the ‘auld sod’ are really a mixture of Celt, Dane, Norman,and Brit; collectively known today as Irish and not having either a word of the auld ancient tongue itself….. begorrah!
      People should’nt believe the myths, like religion they are the cause of wars.

    • #715395
      JL
      Participant

      I still able to say that I’m Irish.

    • #715396
      JL
      Participant

      Although I haven’t started any wars.

    • #715397
      GregF
      Participant

      Bhueil eireannach ata ionaim comh maith ach nil mid ag caint faoi naisuineachas ta muid ag caint faoi altiireacht.

      [This message has been edited by GregF (edited 15 December 2000).]

    • #715398
      Martin Shiels
      Participant

      You may say your Irish but what exactly does that mean? (and how does all this relate to architecture?)

    • #715399
      kburns
      Participant

      I don’t know about us building in an Irish style, but the sheer bloddy minded disregard for all sense of aesthetics and history that we deploy when pulling things down most certainly set us apart. Or does it?!!!

    • #715400
      Katherine
      Participant

      Alright lads, calm it down! I originally asked because I was doing an essay on the subject which has since been handed in, so thanks a million for your replies! Food for thought, or wha’?

    • #715401
      Martin Shiels
      Participant

      What conclusions did you reach?

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