Interconnect this

pretty disapointing to be honest

on the poster, what does the diagram on the top right depict? can hardly see the stephen’s green enterence. I always just assumed it would be part of the metro station. Notice how the train says heuston stn on it althogh IÉ plan to terminate at hazelhatch and not heuston.

well i went

I think the stop at DCC will be a failure if they cannot connect the station to temple bar which I believe is hard to achieve it will be a no go area after dark I think

Clearly there is no real architectural lead scope and the architects I believe are based in the UK so they are very familiar with the context.

He skipped some st Stephens green slides in a sneaky way!

someone mentioned that master planning is leading the design of stations in europe not ireland they could not be further from the truth…

The proposals for stations at DCC st Stephens green are clearly compromised and Ireland can look forward to standards well below proxy cities in almost every country in Europe well done!

it appears speed and less traffic disruption are the main objectives of these proposals

more later

was at it too.

the station planned under the civic offices is a total disaster and would be best omitted in its entirety. People wishing to travel to Temple B would be more inclined to get off at Grafton St and walk down. There was even a mock up of the entrance at the (far) side of the civic offices. Which illustrated this stations white elephant status. this station needs to be a good 500m south minimum

the entire project had a very very meagre feel to it – no fault of Iarnroid eireann I imagine and more to do with the fact that these days nothing gets cabinet approval unless there’s a stop in drumcondra so they had to cut corners. Problem is they had to cut a few corners too many in the city centre. The interconnector will be tremendous however for Heuston and Spencer Dock. As these areas have years of explosive growth ahead of them.

One worrying comment was that IE are now trying to KEEP the TEMPORARY station at the docklands. He made that comment off hand (as in “as you all know…”). I hope I picked that up wrong as keeping that quickly rolled out overland station will ruin later phases of Spencer Dock in addition to the fact there’ll be “two” docklands stations with guaranteed capacity contraints in the future. Ughhhh…

And regarding architecture – well the only station that could be eligible is the combined Metro N/DART entrance under Stephen’s Green by the arch, I wonder how much of that is lead by RPA rather than IE. Effectively all other DART stations are a booth at ground level with escalators down to the platform, this is a pared to the basics project!!!

did you see this picture ???

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0226/dart.html

:D:D:D

look at the route options via the link on that news item. Option D is what has been selected – Wood qy effectively.

Oh dear – what a stupid location for a station (option d) even if it was option b with the Heuston stop (which seems to be at James gate) moved further east opposite smithfield (get rid of the statiol garage and have a below liffey foottunnel from Smithfield if they could be bothered or a pedestrian bridge at this point) whilst Heuston itself was beneath the station proper (with a subway link to where the eircom hq is going up) it would make a lot more sense particualrly in opening up the western city for redevelopment.

But then again when did joined up thinking ever happen in this country

The heuston stop was selected to keep heuston itself “business as usual” which is fairly understandable, The location selected is manna from heaven for Diageo and their longterm redevelopment objectives

according to rte news, construction began on pearse street station. anyone have any pics of station? it appears to be cut and cover

So rather than make something that connects we have something that’s across one of the busiest junctions in Dublin – brilliant, what genius thinks these things up – surely the constuction could be done and keep business as usual as in any other country on the planet. This is just the elcheapo engineering solution (and is such a huge filip to Diageo you have to question it) rather than a planned solution

I’ve no issue with option D, its still essentially Christ Church & is close enough to the river to serve both north & south of the liffey. Its a few minutes walk to smithfield, temple bar, dame st/dublin castle, thomas street and if anything has a far larger catchment area than a thomas street centred stop.

Good to see that there is some life in this project, I have actually heard Dempsey utter the word interconnector more than once since his tenure at transport started, his predecessor didn’t even know what it was.

Design by public servants for public servants I would have thought.

@Rory W wrote:

So rather than make something that connects we have something that’s across one of the busiest junctions in Dublin – brilliant, what genius thinks these things up – surely the constuction could be done and keep business as usual as in any other country on the planet. This is just the elcheapo engineering solution (and is such a huge filip to Diageo you have to question it) rather than a planned solution

Fair point if there’s no entrance from the Heuston side, but surely there will be ???

The entrance is in Heuston, you’ll just be walking underground to St James gate where the platforms actually are.

Regarding the RTE snippet on construction actually starting don’t get too excited – some work was done in Pearse during the long weekend DART outages to create an underpass… which in 10 years time will be useful.

@d_d_dallas wrote:

Regarding the RTE snippet on construction actually starting don’t get too excited – some work was done in Pearse during the long weekend DART outages to create an underpass… which in 10 years time will be useful.

I know, when i said signs of life, i probably should have prefaced it with ‘faint signs of …’

Given that St. Jame’s looks like it will be a major office & residential quarter, the logic of shifting the station across the road seems reasonable enough to me, whether its a filip to Diageo or not.

they are also putting emergency stairs in the st Stephens green and vents and chopping some trees

sketch option Z