guff in the irish press
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From todays Irish Times
An award-winning scheme of sheltered housing in Gorey is a delightful place to live. Paul Keogh Architects (PKA) may be better known as the designers of Ireland’s tallest building, a 32-storey residential tower planned for a site opposite Heuston Station.
Correction Frank, it will be Ireland’s tallest building when it is built, not when it is still a drawing. Otherwise I had a sketch on a napkin for a Taipei 101 replica for the docklands, so does that make me the designer of Ireland’s tallest building?
It will be the State’s tallest building until a 32-storey, 140 metres (153 yards) project at Heuston station in Dublin is built. O’Flynn Construction was given permission by the council to build 222 apartments and ground-floor retail units and offices in the 17-storey structure.
Correction Fiona, how can one unbuilt future project be the tallest before another unbuilt future project is finished. Does Fiona know which one will be finished first? Or are you recycling a press release?
Paul,
I’m not sure if you are aware of this but Eoin English of the Irish Examiner (a gentleman along with many of his IE colleagues who has frequently taken information and stories from the LADSOCL website and used them – with which the thread contributors have rarely complained regarding) has published an article in todays IE regarding Archiseek. Mr. English has a 1/4 page article related to the comments made by some posters on the LADSOCL thread. It condemns comments made regarding residents of Bishopstown and members of Cork Sustainable Development group – with whom some contributors have apparently made ‘ageist’ comments claiming the ‘OAP residents’ shouldn’t have a voice. Mr. Scully of the Equality Authority (I’ll have to double-check that) has actively encouraged those who feel ‘offended’ by these comments to take legal action against the website.
For some of the comments, if I have made ones that have insulted persons of this category, I wholeheartedly apologise on my behalf. Generally, I (more and more so) have tried to offer more reasonable posts when discussing CAHRA/CSD and An Taisce. In all honesty, I have found myself in complete agreeance with many of the comments made from such perspectives. In many cases supported them. If anyone takes the time to read the posts in detail they will see this. However, it must be stated that the article took a very one sided and out of context perspective. I personally would like to bring a few truths forward and in the open regarding this article and the persons associated – who have much to answer for also.
As of now, and while discussing legal dimensions with appropriate sources and authorities. I for one will no longer be contributing to the Look at the state of Cork, like! forum – at least for the time being, until some sort of new arrangement can be made.
As for comments made by others, I can’t speak on their behalf. I think the forum has been a good contributor to debate regarding development AND architecture in Cork and has certainly generated more awareness at some level.
I would like to thank Paul Clerkin for providing a wonderful service – although I’m sure quite often that the thread drove him up the walls, he has been a most fair and positive webmaster.
I would like to be able to contribute to the forums in the future – as I think there is still much to said and discussed regarding the architecture and progress of Cork city, but for the time being, not in the LADSOCL thread.
Furthermore, if there is anything I can do to aid Archiseek.com in the meantime (whether informational, legal etc) please do not hesitate to ask.
Lexington
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Paul,
I’m not sure if you are aware of this but Eoin English of the Irish Examiner (a gentleman along with many of his IE colleagues who has frequently taken information and stories from the LADSOCL website and used them – with which the thread contributors have rarely complained regarding) has published an article in todays IE regarding Archiseek. Mr. English has a 1/4 page article related to the comments made by some posters on the LADSOCL thread. It condemns comments made regarding residents of Bishopstown and members of Cork Sustainable Development group – with whom some contributors have apparently made ‘ageist’ comments claiming the ‘OAP residents’ shouldn’t have a voice. Mr. Scully of the Equality Authority (I’ll have to double-check that) has actively encouraged those who feel ‘offended’ by these comments to take legal action against the website.
As of now, and while discussing legal dimensions with appropriate sources and authorities. I for one will no longer be contributing to the Look at the state of Cork, like! forum – at least for the time being, until some sort of new arrangement can be made. Lexington
Can you post the article?
I would be interested to see it
There is no question that a small fraction of posts on all discussion forums can be outrageous at times, the more offensive posts are generally challenged by other forum members and are rarely sustained by anyone other than the most dogged troll.
It must be a very slow news day when a national broadsheet is reduced to publishing an article based on the internet rantings of some individuals who are very obviously unhinged, do not have the general support of 99% of the members of the forum, have been challenged on their remarks and backed down and due to the lack of support and inability to back their arguments up with any real facts and have then vanished.
Since following these forums, I started in June 2004, I have been nothing but impressed by the standard and depth of the arguments posed.
As a developer based in Cork, the Look at the state of Cork thread has assisted my knowledge of the local market and its activity immensely and in no small part, focussed my company’s future projects design issues. Following on much of the advice, input and commentary made on the forum – my company has 3 projects in the wings that have sought to enhance the standards of architecture for the city and its environs.
I read the article in today’s Irish Examiner by Mr. English and am frankly appalled. Clearly Mr. English is unaware of the individuals who regularly use and contribute to the forum – the article has stained the good name of the thread and of the website and insulted those who positively contribute to its continuation. This is not an ‘expose’ – it is opportunism. I wish to lend my agreeance to the above contributor’s post.
My company intends to make a number of significant development announcements over the coming months in Cork city, county and one midlands project.
Traditionally our relationship with the press has been positive. Mr. English has done his paper and the persons of this city a dis-service. Indeed, let the culprits be responsible. But as commented by the above, their comments fade or are ignored – it does not represent the decency of other contributors.
i think some1 has been itchin to get back at the forum ever since a critique of one of his articles! 😀 hey free speech as long as everyone agrees with it eh? hey shouldnt csd change some of the propaganda on their website too then??? cos if we tidy up they have to do. it makes a nice ‘david & goliiath’ story but the truth is, its no news at all. yes people have to be careful what they say but i think the thread has copped on generally with the exception of about 1 or 2 posts – so they should cop on like.
hey eoin come on and join the discussion! the more the merrier! hey! contribute like youve got enough out of the forums give somethin back! 🙂 and relaxxx!!!
as for the quotes – em, i saw some of ’em, but talk about out of context! was that the sun or the examiner???
anyway keep up the good work lads. dont let the nay sayers put you off good work. and remember, feed your goldfish! i learnt that the hard way on waking up this morning. at first i thought ol’ goldie was just doing a back stroke on the water surface. turns out, he was dead!!!
but on a serious note – this is an opinion forum. part of the problem there is opinion is expressed. now as it is widely read and public, discipline must be exercised so lets not get annoyance get the better of us. it does development in the city no favors and only strengthens the david side of the fence. dont give them the ammunition. its not about developers making millions (although profit has to be made to allow for further development – duh like!) – its about improving quality of life and architecture for all in the long run. that may all sound lawdeedaw but believe it or not its true. so less old people bashing, more community beneficial development and sure at the end of the day, youre all invited to my house for a nice bbq. that includes csd AND eoin english. sure arent we all livin in the same city at the end of the day! hurrah! 🙂
I’ve seen some cheap and nasty journalism in my time (usually though not within the pages of the Irish Examiner) but this mornings article takes the biscuit. Thsi is what is known as a non-story, clearly the journalist has grown tired of lifting stories directly from the site and has sought further ways to use it to fill space.
The language used on this site is in the most part impeccable and the arguments full and informed. What has happened here is that this journalist (or someone else mentioned in the article) has thrawled through the pages and picked out language used by SOME members. This is then taken out of context and used to somehow discredit the whole site.
We can learn a number of things from this incident:
1. Despite the high standards kept by all users of this sight and indeed the webmaster, we must ensure at all times nothing we say can be taken out of context in this way by irresponsible journalists.
2. I personally have been taken aback by the apparently poor editorial process within the Irish Examiner which would allow this article to be published without allowing comment from the owner and operator of this site. The journalist in question should be embarressed with this nasty, ill-informed piece and the way he was used to forward the views of one particular pressure group. His standing as a journalist as well as that of his colleagues has suffered because of this article.I notice the LATSOC thread has been stalled and another thread opened. I hope this is not as a result of the said article. We should be proud of the depth of debate opened up on that thread and should not leave this incident deter us.
But the lesson has got to be learned about abusing groups of people, some of the discussion in relation to old age pensions and childrens allowance being removed demeans everyone. It has stopped over recent months and the timing of the article surprised me but if the comments weren’t made…….
Would someone post a link to the article on the IE site, if indeed it is contained in their online version? Have trawled through the site unsuccessfully for the last 20 minutes. Can’t find the article – what section is it in?
It is not online. It is contained in their “local news” section- published only in their munster edition.
localnews@examiner.ie just registered
just managed to read that article.
I’m 58 years old and i’ve been ready de paper for as long as I can remember. I live in Bishopstown as well as fate would have it. and quite genuinely i’ve never read such a cheapshot article. I’m surprised that it has come from a broadsheet like the Cork Examiner.
Ive seen the comments on the forum and most certainly i dont always agree with them. I was supporter of some objections like the one at Dennehys cross Postoffice. But I’ve never seen such a one sided and insulting article not only to the users but the whole site. Its nothing more than an unwarranted attck. Also reading how corksouthwest supporters have been treated on this forum when they have issued their opposition to comments I have always found them to be treated with nothing more than respect. And I’m an occassional supporter of the sustainable group.
I will be writing a letter to the editor please God soon.
I’m waiting to see a copy of the article and it will be shown to my lawyer for his opinion. Personally I view an attack on this website as an attack on me.
Bollox I asked to see a copy of this more than 12 hours ago,
I’ve seen a million commercially generated images and all I’m asking for is one scanned image and this proves impossible.
If I was landlord I’d set a deadline before closing a certain free space.
Inside Cork is a free newspaper in the Cork City area. The two articles look very similar which would suggest they came from a press release issued by the campaign group mentioned in both reports.
I’ve attached an image of the Irish Examiner article to this post.
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There appears to be more of the article than is visible in your post.
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