Dublin Airport Metro to have unconnected terminus?
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@Rory W wrote:
I too get off at Blackrock – curse those victorians for not designing with the 21st century commuter in mind (the minor irratant of the queue is nothing compared to when the trains fail/some tit crashes into a level crossing)
But I assume (hope) that pedestrian flows will be taken into account when designing the metro stations
Indeed. Any curse on the Victorians is fine by me. Pox on them and their restrictive dress/inability to future plan. 🙂
Is it true in germany that if a train is more than say 10 minutes late that they refund your ticket and give you a notice for work???
Would you object to that???
I also find it annoying with bus tickets you don’t get change and you collect pieces of paper that get lost how much money do they make from this???
Actually I don’t think Dublin Bus are allowed retain uncollected money as it’s technically not theirs
I went to the Metro North Mater Stop information meeting this evening; no big surprise; 400/398 NCR, the two red bricks on the Mater site will be demolished for an entrance, there will also be an entrance the other side of the current vehicular entrance, this will be connected to the larger hospital building which will line the NCR. Perhaps surprisingly this is it, it isn’t intended to have entrances on Eccles Street, the guy I spoke to said that this was much requested and so would be considered. There will be two houses demolished on Leo Street, by the Mater Private, for emergency exits and ventilation. Although the box looks huge, there isn’t going to be retail inside. They hope to build this towards the end of next year, after the Railway Order but before they TBM goes in. It all looks very impressive.
@notjim wrote:
I went to the Metro North Mater Stop information meeting this evening; no big surprise; 400/398 NCR, the two red bricks on the Mater site will be demolished for an entrance, there will also be an entrance the other side of the current vehicular entrance, this will be connected to the larger hospital building which will line the NCR. Perhaps surprisingly this is it, it isn’t intended to have entrances on Eccles Street, the guy I spoke to said that this was much requested and so would be considered. There will be two houses demolished on Leo Street, by the Mater Private, for emergency exits and ventilation. Although the box looks huge, there isn’t going to be retail inside. They hope to build this towards the end of next year, after the Railway Order but before they TBM goes in. It all looks very impressive.
Afaik The current plan for this stop simply proposes to have the entry and exit point onto NCR. NCR is of course a very heavily trafficked road with narrow footpaths. It is absolute madness not to have access onto Leo St/ Synott Place, which has a lot less traffic and would be very useful for people going onto Dorset St – particularly as they are demolishing 2 houses and constructing access points anyway. 😡
Don’t hold your breath about Eccles St having access – the RPA’s excuse here is that it would disturb patients in the cancer section of the hospital.All in all, to date I regret to say that I have found the RPA to be seriously inapproachable as to any reasonable suggestion, while they excel at minimising pedestrian access to what is a major investment. I wouldn’t trust them with a toy train set, never mind a 5bn scheme; overall I am left wondering whether RPA stands for Really Pathetic Agency…
Still, thanks for the update notjim
The Phibsborough Mountjoy LAP included a little piece espousing the benefits of an entrance to Eccles St. Its crazy not to included this. Seemingly the RPA were having none of it though. They were making excuses about the difficulty of resolving design issues with the future development of the Mater/ National Peadiatric hospital. I suppose it presence in the LAP gives some voice to the City Council’s approval of an entrance there anyway. Maybe it’ll make a difference.
They do seem to have an odd, anomalous, approach to entrances, from using other metro systems you would, for example, have expected smaller entrances on both sides of the ncr, along with eccles st and maybe leo st: instead they have six escalators more or less beside each other housed with two substantial entrance halls. Again, at the dcu stop, where they have plans posted, they have a small number of large entrances with substantial structures above ground, quite different from the elevator disappearing into the footpath you see elsewhere, in Paris, London, NYc and so forth. Perhaps this reflects current thinking, am I wrong, for example, in thinking the Toronto metro, which is relatively new, is similar in this regard?
As pointed out on the platform11 forum, the RPA have posted material from their Metro North open days,
http://www.rpa.ie/cms/download.asp?id=814
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It is encouraging to see that the O’Connell Street stop will only be 50-100m from the Abbey St Luas stop.
The montage however is useless as it fails to display the impacts of signage or else there won’t be any and tourists won’t be able to find the entrance. I have to say I find the whole thing most uninspiring (sorry) why can’t there be two exits one on each side of the street instead of dumping people into the median where they will have to fight there way through crowds blocked by trees and a statue.
Does nobody on the project have any grasp of moving large numbers of people around? I can see the engineer CVs I designed the Ballyragget bus stop; it had to cope with LARGE CROWDS FOR THE LEINSTER FINAL AND THE SEMI AND THE FINAL!!!!
they have posted a tiny piece of the puzzle…
St Stephens green does not look too hot from those 3d’s@PVC King wrote:
It is encouraging to see that the O’Connell Street stop will only be 50-100m from the Abbey St Luas stop.
The montage however is useless as it fails to display the impacts of signage or else there won’t be any and tourists won’t be able to find the entrance. I have to say I find the whole thing most uninspiring (sorry) why can’t there be two exits one on each side of the street instead of dumping people into the median where they will have to fight there way through crowds blocked by trees and a statue.
Does nobody on the project have any grasp of moving large numbers of people around? I can see the engineer CVs I designed the Ballyragget bus stop; it had to cope with LARGE CROWDS FOR THE LEINSTER FINAL AND THE SEMI AND THE FINAL!!!!
Actually the montage is of the west side only and there are entrances on both sides of the street. The montage shows a glass rooflight in the median ( you can see the statue of O’Brien in the background) Oddly though there is only one entrance in Westmoreland street on the west side! ( more info was on display at the open day~)
JJFYI the drawings for the O Connell St stop show an entrance on either side of the street and not in the central median.
The RPA was originally the Light Rail Project Office under CIE before before separated from CIE for the first Luas project and then later became the RPA with a new chairman and expanded role.
The drawings show a widening of the pavement on Westmoreland Street which is to be welcomed, hopefully they’ll continue this wider pavement up to include lower Grafton St which is a bit of a pedestrian choke point.
@PVC King wrote:
It is encouraging to see that the O’Connell Street stop will only be 50-100m from the Abbey St Luas stop.
50-100m? try 10-20m
@The Denouncer wrote:
See they have Metro North hoardings around Stephens Green today, has the big dig finally begun?
It has like shite. The oral hearing at the Bord hasn’t even been heard yet.
If there are new hoardings on Stephen’s Green advertising this, it ought to have pp – otherwise it’s an unauthorised development…. Hardly the best way to begin the state’s biggest infrastructure project…
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