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    Aileen Coonan
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    Doesnt anyone talk to their neighbours anymore? The Irish as a nation are suppossed to be really “friendly”, living in an apartment I havent ever had a conversation with my neighbours. Any opinions or comments?

    #718366
    roskav
    Participant

    One of the nice aspects of apartment living is that you have an alliegance to your immediate neighbours on your landing, a recognition with your stairwell passers and an identity shared with your fellow adresees… and you don’t have to engage any of them in conversation!

    #718367
    GregF
    Participant

    Is it because the more affluent and middle class we become the more unsociable we become.
    Is social interaction only to be found in more primitive cultures?
    People of working class areas have always had a strong social interaction with their neighbours….They had poverty and hardship in common which bonded them together.
    People today have their wealth and the abundance of gizmos that they can buy with their money to occupy themselves……or maybe young people today are just boring and have nothing to say.

    #718368
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    those in Belfast may find this of interest:

    Voices of Cabrini
    Director: Ronit Bezalel
    1999 – 30 minutes.

    A panel discussion featuring Ciaran Mackel (Architect), Billy Mitchell (Link Community Association), and Ciaran Kearney (Falls Community Council) will follow the film.

    Shot over a three-year period, this superb documentary follows the residents of Chicagos best-known public housing development as their homes are marked for destruction in the interest of urban gentrification. The film captures the diverse voices of the community, many worried if the city will keep its promise to replace Cabrini with equally affordable housing. “…a gripping story about living in the city…”

    The demolition of Cabrini Green is part of a nation-wide trend to tear down high rise public housing. What does this mean for the future of public housing?

    Cultúrlann, 216 Falls Road, Belfast. Admission £2 @ 25 March 8.00pm

    #718369
    Aileen Coonan
    Participant

    Originally posted by roskav:
    One of the nice aspects of apartment living is that you have an alliegance to your immediate neighbours on your landing, a recognition with your stairwell passers and an identity shared with your fellow adresees… and you don’t have to engage any of them in conversation!

    I see your point but isnt that choice of lifestyle and minimum interaction a bit sterile and cold. Im not saying one shooud know everything about ones neighbours but it seems hat everyone is living in their own little boxes, normal and polite conversation and the overall sense of community in Ireland is fading within Irish urban livig.

    #718370
    JackHack
    Participant

    In the apatment complex I stay in in Dublin8 they only thing I’ve ever heard from any neigbour was a (music too loud) complaint that came from a neighbour via a caretaker to the landlord on on to an agitated phone call to tenant. Not the building blocks of community spirit.

    But often people give a polite grunt to each while still within the cosy security gate, beyond that it’s everyone fro himself.

    #718371
    Rory W
    Participant

    I’m sick of apartment living (especially noisy students at 5:30 in the morning (God I sound old)) so I’m upping sticks and moving to a 3 bed semi in the ‘burbs

    #718372
    quirkey
    Participant

    Maybe it’s that apartment living is new to us all and that irish people arent really used to the concept of apartment living yet. Nobody wants to bring childern up in such places so they usually just contain young and or single people who move frequently.. for a community to develop, their has to be at least a reasonable percentage of permanent residents.

    #718373
    WhiteCube
    Participant

    …I think the notion of Irish people being “friendly” is about as banal a concept as the average Irish person being a jolly alcholic..if we were ever perceived to be a friendly nation in the past, it was probably because we were such a beat-down lot grateful for anybody taking a interest in our damp little country… its essentially a marketing tool that has been used for so long that we’ve taken to believing it when it has about as much authentity as a John Hinde postcard..

    #718374
    doozer
    Participant

    I think the difference between today and comunities prior to mass urban environments is that people have large spheres of aquaintance now. In ‘ye olde days’ it was those in your immediate vicinity with whom you interacted- you didn’t just live near each other but worked in the same area,frequented the same shops and pubs and more often then not were related to people in the community. You only have to read someone like George Eliot to see how decades of inter-marraige and social reliance on a core group for economic prosperity (i.e a village or farming community) intertwines families and indeed the entire populas into longterm co-dependence. No bad thing, but today people create community within their workplace or among a group of similar minded friends. It simply would not be possible to bond and form these ties with several groups of people so we quite understandably pick and choose those who are most likely to have empathy with us. I think……I don’t really know its just a theory

    #718375
    roskav
    Participant

    Any from of apartment building has various areas in which chance encounters can take place. Car – parks, stairwells and hallways and the odd partition wall, which can be a contentious meeting ground!
    I think that these meetings have a quality in that they have no strings attached – even a “grunt” is OK in my book. I would feel drawn in to inviting a neighbour around if I started any serious conversation. I would rather keep my distance.
    One thing however – most stairways and hallways are built to a minimum size and are so claustraphobic that the physical proximity of a stranger can be intimidating. If we designed these spaces for chance encounters where both parties could feel comfortable enough to hang around for a chat in, then maybe more community spirit would develop.

    #718376
    roskav
    Participant

    Any from of apartment building has various areas in which chance encounters can take place. Car – parks, stairwells and hallways and the odd partition wall, which can be a contentious meeting ground!
    I think that these meetings have a quality in that they have no strings attached – even a “grunt” is OK in my book. I would feel drawn in to inviting a neighbour around if I started any serious conversation. I would rather keep my distance.
    One thing however – most stairways and hallways are built to a minimum size and are so claustraphobic that the physical proximity of a stranger can be intimidating. If we designed these spaces for chance encounters where both parties could feel comfortable enough to hang around for a chat in, then maybe more community spirit would develop.

    #718377
    JackHack
    Participant

    Apartment living would be ok if the apartment your living in was built to a good standard. When you can hear you neighbours taking a leak in their bathroom and other normal everyday sound can penetrate the walls with ease it’s a turn off. Also where in Europe would they build block after block of apartments with standalone inefficient Electric heating. Missing the oppetunity to have shared heating systems must add thousands to the cost of the apartment over the years.

    #718378
    Aruan ONeill
    Participant

    I heard a story about how, when ee cummings ended up living next door to Djuna Barnes when they were both aged people in New York, he used to stick his head out the window every so often and shout – Are ya dead yet Djuna?

    #718379
    trace
    Participant

    A 48-year-old poet shows how Dublin ‘has undergone “globalization” and come out looking very much like the rest of the First World’ : http://slate.msn.com/id/2081596/

    #718380
    merriman mick
    Participant

    I agree with you WhiteCube, I live in Antwerp and everyone here is so damn nice and friendly
    towards each other I sometimes expect to see Noddy driving by and offering me a lift to Toytown.

    Who wants to talk to their neighbour anyway, what you want when you come home after a hard days graft is some peace and quiet. So long as we’re friendly(a good morning to you etc…) and respectful towards our neighbours we can all live and let live.

    #718381
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I was in an apartment complex for the first time in my life the other day (shame on me), it was brand new, in Terenure.
    I was astonished how utterly lacking the place was in – not just community but indeed any form of life at all!

    I was making a programme there, and from one end of a shoot to the other we saw not one soul in the place (although I suppose people would be working) but just the labarinyth of banal corridors with door after door after door, it was totally mundane, everwhere painted white, the walls, ceilings, doors, the floors, the cut stone slabs…
    It seemed it was purposely designed to hinder any type of social interaction.
    And this was an upmarket development, undoubtedly similar to most around the city/country.

    #718382
    Aken
    Participant

    Brief, Design an apartment build to accomodate X amount of people.
    You would imagine the first thing you would do is devote a huge amount of space to the foyer, with seating receprion etc… No No a narrow hall just wide enough for two ppl to squeeze by and miles upon miles of corradors, Each floor containing the same furniture (if your luck) and prints on the same spot in each floor and each floor identical to the one below it! Developers!!!!!

    BTW Shooting for what?

    #718383
    sherrioverseas
    Participant

    So do you think that community is being lost in places of residence vs. lost in general?

    Has community, for some, moved online like this forum?

    Or maybe the internet has allowed some of us to lean on communicating electronically vs. face to face, thereby neglecting the “conversations over the backyard hedge”?

    #718384
    GregF
    Participant

    The more middle class and well to do we become …the more reserved, uppity and private we become. There was and has always been a neighbourliness among working classes……which goes hand in hand with the borrowing and cadging culture. Human nature I suppose.

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