Cycling in Irish Cities
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- September 27, 2008 at 3:19 pm #761516
SunnyDub
ParticipantWeehamster: “…. I’m going by personal experiences. Drivers in Dublin are dangerous and reckless….Because of this I was knocked down 4 times. Twice I hit my head off the ground after flying through the air thanks to the vehicle hitting me…. Now my dear brother-in-law wasn’t so lucky. He also hit his head off the pavement but he didn’t ware helmets (which is what you are promoting). He died from head trauma.
Now you can continue on showing pictures of people with no helmets all you like, Just remember you are promoting cycling without helmets…“
Well, Weehamster, I’d say some drivers in Dublin are dangerous and I’d prefer separate cycle lanes on the road (using a concrete barrier) to help with this…if you want to wear a helmet fine…and given you’re personal experience who would blame you…but the logic of your argument is poor. It’s also the classic you can’t criticise the war cos I lost a son in Iraq type of argument, baloney! So if someone gets killed by a bus walking across the street and a helmet would have saved their life, should helmets be mandatory for crossing bus lanes? If someone is shot in the chest and wasnt’ wearing a bullet proof vest should they be mandatory?
I think a more mature approach is to let people assess risk themselves and choose whether to wear a helmet or not, notwithstanding that a mandatory helmet law would be dictatorial in the extreme.
There’s also a little thing called evidence and it suggests cycling is not a dangerous activity and that wearing helmets are more widely worn there are less cyclists, more cars, etc.
Are all the people who don’t wear helmets in Dublin,, Paris, Copenhagen irresponsible? Are they irrational in that they can’t look after themselves?!
October 18, 2008 at 2:21 am #761517missarchi
Participantrack up dublin…
April 30, 2009 at 11:26 am #761518ctesiphon
ParticipantHot on the heels of the DoT’s Smarter Travel initiative came the National Cycle Policy Framework, which now appears to have resulted in the development of Ireland’s first (annual?) National Bike Week!
It’s great to see the DoT putting proper energy into cycling- for evidence, check out the opening (two word) sentence of the Minister’s Foreword in the Policy document. Hopefully the local authorities will now get their acts together and start taking cycling seriously.
In the meantime, get out the oilcan! Bike Week is only 6 weeks away.
April 30, 2009 at 11:43 am #761519PTB
ParticipantAnyone spotted what I think are the JC Decaux bike racks going in around the city?
I passed the one outside the Bull and Castle and saw not one, not two, not three, not four etc, etc, not eleven but twelve luminous jacketed men working on a patch of ground not much bigger that my living room. Industrious.
April 30, 2009 at 12:06 pm #761520missarchi
Participant@PTB wrote:
Anyone spotted what I think are the JC Decaux bike racks going in around the city?
I passed the one outside the Bull and Castle and saw not one, not two, not three, not four etc, etc, not eleven but twelve luminous jacketed men working on a patch of ground not much bigger that my living room. Industrious.
not sierra communications?
Anyway we can’t even put a bike on the metro that is progress for you…April 30, 2009 at 2:00 pm #761521ctesiphon
ParticipantApril 30, 2009 at 4:21 pm #761522ac1976
Participanthow come there are no stations west of the City, at Phoenix Park or IMMA/Kilmainham Jail/Heuston?
That is kinda crazy, they are perfect locations for the bikes.
Is there even one near the Guiness Storehouse?April 30, 2009 at 4:32 pm #761523ctesiphon
ParticipantThe answer to that, as given by JCDecaux itself, is There aren’t enough bikes to cover the whole city.
I’ll let you work out the ‘logic’ :rolleyes: behind that for yourself.
May 1, 2009 at 7:51 pm #761524djasmith
ParticipantIt’s not the moving cars on our roads that are the problem but rather the ones which are parked. I cycle all over this city day in and day out from templeogue right over to santry quite often. I have built up a bank of pictures of cars and vans clearly showing the company name which are blocking cycle lanes. The trouble is when you are trying to navigate your way down camden street and then you come across some irresponsible ‘parker’ who has left their vehicle in a bus or cycle lane. the danger is then trying to get past them.
on the point of helmets – Ive always worn one. I’ve had 2 major enough accidents in my cycling career, and both of them left me in hospital. On both occassions I was told in hospital that without the helmet (which was smashed both times) I wouldn’t be where I am today. I’m not one of these people who would like to enforce helmets, I feel we could enforce sensible parking or something like that, but if people could see the 2 helmets that I have they would think twice about not wearing one.
May 8, 2009 at 3:46 pm #761525DaveG
Participanthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L89h0XYD-gg
ok ok so I broke some lights… but I’ve cycled this route for over four and a half years and I know the light sequence very well and what is coming. I wouldn’t go through a major junction if it had a red light…
Has anyone used the cycled lane on the N11 outside the Stillorgan Park Hotel (may have a different name now)… pot hole city and don’t get me started on Dublin cycle lanes….
May 8, 2009 at 4:10 pm #761526SunnyDub
ParticipantYep, that cycle lane is quite bumpy as well.
Does anyone know if the new cycling strategy requires a new standard of cycle lane? Have they gone for on-road or off and white lines or concrete barriers, I’d be very interested to know. I suspect it’s just the usual non-binding aspirational nonsense report after report that the government churns out by the bucket load, but maybe I’m wrong.
May 8, 2009 at 4:42 pm #761527SunnyDub
ParticipantGood piece in today’s guardian
Cycling dangerous, on yer bike
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/08/cycling
I suspect SUVs and other large vehicles are the biggest dangers for cyclists, and the most disruptive vehicles on the street?
June 11, 2009 at 5:04 pm #761528SunnyDub
Participant@ctesiphon wrote:
I don’t know if any shop here stocks either of these, but you could always treat yourself to a trip to Leipzig or Copenhagen. 😉
http://www.retrovelo.de/ (Review.)
http://velorbis.com/ (The Scrap Deluxe would get my vote- Review.)
Just had a look at those websites again, nice bikes, but I don’t think you can order them online.
Any tips for Dublin bike shops with retro or cruiser bikes for sale?
I like this one,
http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/86/32043586.html
Anyone know when the garda auction is on?
December 20, 2009 at 6:03 pm #761529Anonymous
InactiveKevin Street Garda Station – the lost property section on the right as you go in
Sarah McInerney
Dublin’s new Samuel Beckett bridge, which will form part of the government’s €10m cross-city cycle route, has been described as “dangerous, unusable and unacceptable†by a cycling lobby group.The landmark €60m piece of infrastructure, which opened last week, is an integral part of a circuit that will link Rathmines and Fairview Park. When launching the 7km route in September, Noel Dempsey, the transport minister, said it would “open up the city†to cyclists and show that “cycling can be safe for everyoneâ€.
However, the Dublin Cycling Campaign said after testing the course that the cycle lanes are of insufficient width and in some cases put cyclists in danger. The group also claims that many lanes stop without warning and much of the signage appears to be illegal.
“It’s just not usable,†said James Leahy, who tested the route for the cycling body. “You cannot use it safely or without breaking the law. This is meant to be a new flagship phase in cycle routes for the next generation, but in this case they have just repeated all the same mistakes of the past.â€
Mike McKillen, chairman of Cyclist.ie, an umbrella group for Irish cycling campaigns, said the design of the facilities suggests they were an afterthought. “I suspect that when the bridge was designed it had no cycle lanes, and then last year Dempsey gave the city council €10m for the cycle route across the city,†he said.
“At that point it was too late. They couldn’t make the bridge wider, so they just put lanes in willy nilly wherever they could find the space. It really makes us despair. The engineers in Dublin city council just don’t get things right for cyclists.â€
Leahy claimed the cycle lane on the east side of the bridge leads directly into oncoming traffic. The one on the west side has a “a very narrow cycle track on the footpath†which turns sharply on to the road, he added.
“These particular instances are actually quite dangerous,†Leahy said. “It would have been much better for the council not to draw out any cycle lanes and leave cyclists on the road.â€
In a number of instances, the council has erected signs directing cyclists on to the footpath, which Leahy believes may be against the law.
“It is illegal to cycle on footpaths unless there is a designated cycle lane, and on one side of the bridge, there’s no cycle lane,†he said. “It’s meant to be a ‘shared space’ but that only works in an area where pedestrians and cyclists are taking their time. This is a commuter route where cyclists are likely to be going at high speed. This signage also is not in the Traffic Signs Regulations, so I would question its legality.â€
Leahy said that even if the design does not break the rules, it is still unsuitable for cyclists to be on the pavement. “We’re constantly hearing calls from pedestrian groups to get us off the path, and we agree,†he said. “For elderly people it’s disconcerting to have cyclists zipping past in a blur, and it’s also been a big issue for the blind.â€
Fionnuala Murphy, communications officer for the National Council for the Blind of Ireland, said the group is opposed to having cyclists on the pavement. “If you’re trying to navigate the city with a guide dog or a cane, it already takes a lot of concentration,†she said. “Trying to be aware of people flying past you at high speed just adds to the difficulty.â€
A spokesman for Dublin city council said there was no case of a cycle track leading into oncoming traffic on the bridge and that the sign indicating shared pedestrian and cycle use was “being incorporated within the new Traffic Signs Manualâ€. The plan had always been to have cycle lanes on the bridge, he added.
“We would not accept the accuracy of all the points raised in relation to the bridge,†he said. “The cycle lanes have been designed in accordance with accepted national standards.â€
Dempsey said he could not comment on the situation on the bridge but admitted there were substandard cycling facilities in urban areas. “One of the reasons I published Ireland’s first national cycle policy in April was because I recognised there were so many problems to be addressed before we could have a cycling culture,†he said.
Leahy and McKillen praised the principles set out in the policy, but said they were not in evidence on the bridge. “The policy has a hierarchy of what facilities should be put in place, and the introduction of cycle lanes is right down the bottom of the list,†Leahy said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6962775.ece
As a pedestrian I think it looks great!!!
June 18, 2010 at 3:20 pm #761530Devin
ParticipantDiscussion here with some ‘luminaries’ of cycling in Dublin – http://vimeo.com/12390413
Would like to have heard more from the DCC cycling bloke bout their immediate plans for making cycling easier in Dublin …… seems to be leaning back there for most of the discussion – perhaps basking in the reflected glow (from A. Montague) of the success of the Dublin Bikes scheme. I heard a year ago that DCC were putting in much needed new bike locking stands in lots of points around the city. Where are they?? I haven’t seen any yet. How long could it take to go and do this? There’s such a dearth of them in some places it’s ridiculous – egs. Smithfield, O’Connell Street, George’s Street.
Also contra flow lanes desperately needed in several locations. This can be done without a redesign of the city. Shouldn’t require lengthy coordination with city trffic engineers. Eg. if you’re cycling from the cineplex end of Parnell St. to O’Connell Street, you have to do three sides of Parnell Square to get there.
June 18, 2010 at 7:33 pm #761531Anonymous
Inactivehttp://www.waterwaysireland.org/index.cfm/section/article/page/1024GrandCanalGr
Grand Canal Way Opens 🙂
Fairly impressive cycle path running alongside the canal, 8.5km long, from Lucan to Inchicore. Better still, its flat, given that it runs alongside a canal and all 😉
I live in Park West and the number of people using it already for both cycling and recreation is really encouraging, you’d swear it was always there.
August 20, 2010 at 12:19 pm #761532Devin
ParticipantThis website – http://www.dublincitycycling.ie/node/add/cycle – promised lots of sorely needed new bike-locking stands around the city a year ago. You clicked on the map to suggest a location. But none have yet been put in. What is the problem??
Smithfield is particularly woeful. There isn’t a single bike-parking stand on the whole ginormous square. Black-framed spectacle wearers heading to an indy film in Lighthouse have nowhere to lock their bikes, except the tapered architectural grey lamps in the ante square which are all scuffed now due to this.

Cyclists fight amongst each other for the solitary pole outside Fresh supermarket

Please put some in urgently! as per here at Fresh, Grand Canal Basin.

The only bike-locking in Smithfield at the moment is here in a quiet arse-end corner of the Smithfield Market scheme. Obviously the developers Fusano or others involved don’t cycle because as every cyclist knows the first consideration for locking your bike in Dublin is a visible well-lit location with the passive security of good footfall.
Incredibly, these stands fall into blackness after dark. You may as well just go up to the tracksuit, hand him your bike and tell him that the tyres have a puncture resistant layer.
I would like to know just how many Spanish childminders, Asian English students etc. were introduced the hard way to Dublin life after innocently locking their bikes here in the 5 years since Smithfield Market was built ………. one of the worst bike-parking locations ever!
Hurry up with the new stands in Smiffy and around the city, DCC. Thousands wait.
August 20, 2010 at 2:23 pm #761533adrian5987
Participanthttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0820/1224277229259.html
nationwide (except longford) cycle lanes! while there is a central fund the councils will be doing it themselves so dont expect it any time soon though, so cycltist will still be in the middle of the country roads afraid of what may be in the bank! and before anyone starts i cycle too but i still go mad at people (id say about a third) taking up dangerous positions given the twisty roads and the speed differenceAugust 24, 2010 at 6:40 pm #761534Anonymous
InactiveDear PVC King,
I am writing to let you know that our cycling website has been updated. Additional information is now available on how to get the most out of cycling in the capital. This includes new short films showing other cyclists’ experiences.
Information is also available on how to get started, cycle training, guided cycle rides and maps. Please visit tfl.gov.uk/cycling
The Mayor of London’s Sky Ride is taking place on Sunday 5 September. It’s free and family friendly. To register, please visit tfl.gov.uk/skyride
Yours sincerely,
Chris Mather
Head of Behaviour ChangeNo billboards just bikes
August 24, 2010 at 10:08 pm #761535Anonymous
InactiveI was scootering along on the north circular earlier today when an agressive cyclist flew past me shouting “get out of the cycle lane you ignorant @%$&*#” This is not the first time its happened to me as I would weave through rush hour traffic. I then witnessed the same polite righteous cyclist break 4 red lights in a row (I kept getting stopped at a red only to catch up with him shortly after). It really is jungle law out there.
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