city centre to get bigger, or just more sub-centres?

Both

do you foresee a future version a la prague with an ‘old town’ and a ‘new town’……

or something along the lines of a curtural centre verus a commercial centre???

I supect both. Docklands & Heuston as well as major inner suburbs such as Phibsboro & Ballsbridge will be the major centres around the old centre. The old centre will continue to thrive as a cultural & retail destination. The inner suburbs will be urban centres in themselves with their own retail, residential, commercial and, to some extent, cultural identities.

I look forward to this future as being a committed ‘townie’ I’d like to have an alternative destination to the current ‘town’ from time to time.

What’s city centre is sort of patchy. Capel St has entered, having been downgraded for years. but streets to the east of O’Connel St deteriorate very fast. Southside the city ctr seems to stretch from Dame St over as far as Merrion Sq (?) …. thinking in terms of shopping, places with high footfall, not just office areas like Baggot St which are not so accessible. Will Marlborogh St go upmarket? Will Talbot St? What will definately go upmarket and join the main city centre?

it could end up with the city centre as the true geographical centre with various commercial satellites along the dundrum town centre model.

@sw101 wrote:

it could end up with the city centre as the true geographical centre with various commercial satellites along the dundrum town centre model.

AAaaargh!!!!!:eek:

One enterprising start would be to get Bus Atha Cliath to boldly go where no bus has gone before…….well..how about the Capel St/Parnell St/ Bolton Street area..?

Currently Bus Atha Cliaths motto is “Serving All of the Community”….well those of the community who absolutely insist on passing the Spire each time they clamber aboard a Bus…!!

@Alek Smart wrote:

One enterprising start would be to get Bus Atha Cliath to boldly go where no bus has gone before…….well..how about the Capel St/Parnell St/ Bolton Street area..?

Currently Bus Atha Cliaths motto is “Serving All of the Community”….well those of the community who absolutely insist on passing the Spire each time they clamber aboard a Bus…!!

Yeah. I was trying to get college accomodation in Dulin recently, and trying to find places that had a bus route that went somewhere near Bolton street was a nightmare. The nearest bus route to it was on parnell street – the no 23.

ah come on. o’connell street to DIT bolton street is a 10 minute walk. the dart, luas and busses are a perfetly acceptable conduit to bring people in to the city centre and on to most of the DIT campuses. if bus routes were set out so that each of the poor students were dropped from the doors of their dingy flats to the door of the college we’d have a fine(r) mess of a transport system

eh, i think he/she was just using Bolton St. as an example of a wider issue – that Dublin Bus have an obsession on o’Connell Street, which is fair enough.

o’connell street is busses and taxis only, of course they use it as an informal depot. can you imagine trying to get a bus down capel street?

eh sw101, seeing as I drove up O C St on Thursday morning, i don’t think it’s for buses and taxis only. Not yet anyway. And yes Capel street’s in a heap, but there’s a myriad of options that would not congest the main street.

driving south on o’connell street, obviously.

what are these myriad options?

no. driving north from the bridge to parnell street. There’s no restrictions on the street yet, just on access to it. There are other options for bus routes all over the place. Every single north-south street could be used – Gardiner, Amiens, Marlborough streets on the northside. All within 10 minute walks of most north city destinations. Dublin Bus still has a fetish for “An Lár” and serving what once was the pillar and the centre of the city. A bit of strategic forward thinking, and perhaps areas outside the trad core could be developed more into 24 hour destinations, such as Smithfield or Docklands, but no – it’s not a real Dublin bus unless it goes past Clery’s.

They want to drop you close to their office so you can collect your refund:D