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  • #706936
    JackHack
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    I haven’t seen the design for the eden quay extension, but to look at the work at present it seems the boardwalk will end before reaching Butt bridge rather than merge onto the bridge as at Capel street which is much more desireable for walking purposes.

    Another wonder is how a new pedestrian bridge will be integrated, or will the eden quay extension be as clip-on looking as the rest, being more like several viewing platforms along the river than a continous stretch for a stroll.

    Who decides this anyway?

    #741866
    garethace
    Participant

    Did anyone notice the low tide the other day in the Liffey? It really was good to understand ‘just how much’ of an overhang the Liffery board walk really is. If you take the board walk, and compare it to a building, then the rock bottom of the Liffey, which was clearly visible the other day, is roughly 2-3 storey deep beneath the bottom of the currently constructed Liffey boardwalk from Chapel Street bridge to hapenny bridge.

    I just thought I would highlight this observation, in this thread.

    #741867
    chewy
    Participant

    i noticed that disruption of the boardwalk before, it ending at the bridges but i can’t imagine how you would integrate into the brdiges along the way could you?

    #741868
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I was suprised that it was not integrated into the Millenium Bridge. It seems it would have meant too much alteration to the other older bridges, but with the Millenium Bridge it could easily have been achieved. At one stage I had thought it could have been achieved when the Hapenny bridge was redone, but I dont really think it would be possible anymore.

    #741869
    garethace
    Participant

    Who uses the Hapenny bridge now as much as they did before? Or do you ‘aim’ for the new pedestrian bridge instead? Anyone of you walking north/south in that direction on regular basis now?

    I cannot honestly ‘remember’ the last time I purposefully ‘aimed’ to cross the Liffey ‘at’ the Hapenny Bridge.

    Is this really a good thing?

    I mean…. should one expensive bridge project be done right along side another pedestrian bridge project….. so that one entirely negates the value of the other?

    Especially considering that, the rest of the country…. Cork, Limerick, Galway, would never get that calibre of pedestrian bridge building.

    I really think that in future… these projects should be alot less to do with ‘curtain-raising’ and politicians cutting ribbons… and a hell of a lot more to do, with actually putting something where it is actually needed.

    Just a side note, I was down in Henry St, this sunday morning at 9am, with the ‘spire’ at the end….. without the people, the concept works very different I think… any opinions.

    In fact, the whole city of Dublin works very differently as a concept without the people…

    At Harrold’s Cross bridge, where you could turn down towards the Locke restaurant and portobello before…. they have blocked off now to car traffic.

    The swan wildlife have very cleverly taken advantage of this fact too, and the shelter from the bridge itself… and established this little patch as ‘their territory’. Birds tend to do that you know, and more species than one too.

    Anyhow, has anyone ever seen a swan going to sleep? Just like a turtle the neck, head and feet all go in under the shell sort of….. but i was cycling by this way Friday evening late in the dark and saw, in the lamp light,…. what resembled a whole load of ‘white plastic bags’ scattered all over the place in front of me.

    I quickly explained this fact away, by assuming that the builders in the nearby building site, were just reckless with their rubbish or something.

    Anyhow, as I was ‘just’ about to do that thing, you often do when on a bicycle… ya’know when you see a plastic bag blowing around the temptation is to aim for it with the wheel of one’s bike?

    Then at the very last split second…. the truth of what I was about to do…. finally dawned on me and I barely managed to swirve my way, and somehow navigate my way through a whole flock of about 50 odd sleeping swans!

    I can assure you it was a rather skillful piece of cycling if I do say so myself.

    Brian O’ Hanlon.

    #741870
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Originally posted by garethace
    Who uses the Hapenny bridge now as much as they did before?

    I don’t and I won’t if I can avoid it in the future. It took me ten minutes to get through Merchants Arch yesterday such was the volume of people using it. Don’t get me started on tourists with Cameras.

    #741871
    garethace
    Participant

    Don’t get me even started about having to walk from Parliment street all the way over to College green and back again…. because the only cash dispenser there… had a cue, that resembled a football match.

    And the dear folks all along in front of the Olympia Theatre etc, just walk around as if they were strolling in St. Stephen’s Green on a hot summers day…. which means you have to step out on the footpath, and with traffic zooming down, the hill from Christ Church you really only have millimeters/seconds of margin to avoid getting splattered all over the road…. wellington quay style.

    If ever there was a good candidate for footpath improvement, right in front of Olympia Theatre is a good one. What bugs me though, in this country is how we imagine how having more cops on motorcycles is going to straighten out these sorts of problems.

    How a LUAS going through the city at 100mph is going to improve things…. https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2744&pagenumber=3 …. that is where I spoke of suburban shopping centre traffic/pedestrian relationship too…

    Cash machine in square in temple bar is a joke too… avoid it at all costs…. horrible space there now really, and yet you would expect it to work,…. but it doesn’t really… dunno.

    Brian O’ Hanlon.

    #741872
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Originally posted by garethace
    Don’t get me even started about having to walk from Parliment street all the way over to College green and back again…. because the only cash dispenser there… had a cue, that resembled a football match.

    The one at Dunnes in Georges St usually cuts the trek, or if your feeling adventurous the old AIB at cornmarket

    #741873
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    I heard the boardwalk doesn’t integrate with the millenium bridge by design – at the request of the architects involved.

    #741874
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    That is interesting D_D. Why do you think that was?

    #741875
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Something along the lines of: they wanted their winning design to be ‘as entered’ into the millenium bridge competition, and the boardwalk interefered with that so the council respected their wishes and 20 feet clearance later thankyouverymuch.

    #741876
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks D_D, what do you think? Do you think it should have been integrated?

    #741877
    chewy
    Participant

    i use the liffy bridge just as much
    usual

    #741878
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    phil, I can see the bridge designers view of wanting to maintain their own design, but yeah – it would have been nice if the bridge was integrated with the boardwalk.

    #741879
    Devin
    Participant

    The question of integrating the boardwalk with the Liffey bridges raises the fundamental question: Should the boardwalk have been built outside the quay wall?

    Everybody agrees the boardwalk is wonderful, and it’s undeniably a pleasant space. But it’s no harm to ask the question: On a relatively narrow river like the Liffey, uniformly enclosed by a stone quay wall and Classical bridges, was it right to put the boardwalk out there, to encroach on that ‘sacred space’? Is the boardwalk an acceptable solution to the problem of providing pedestrian space by the river, pending the removal of heavy traffic from the quays?

    Elsewhere on the forum somebody said An Taisce was wrong about the boardwalk (because it objected to it in the first place). But An Taisce asked these questions at the time, and they are still valid.

    If you were building a bridge on the Liffey, with carefully designed abutments, would you want a boardwalk coming along and crashing into one side of your bridge, messing up the symmetry etc.?

    #741880
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Good points.

    I’ve never liked the way one is faced with the dilemma of whether to keep walking along the narrow quay, or veer off down onto the boardwalk. It’s silly having two segregated pavements/routes running side by side and neither serving the other – essentially wasting space.
    And the view of the boardwalk from Grattan Bridge is not pleasant; in contrast to the bridge’s solidity and mass, the boardwalk is light and flimsy and looks like its clinging onto the quay wall for dear life.

    The quays are the better for not having it integrated into the bridges – including the Millenium Bridge, they are features on what is a narrow and otherwise featureless river, and should not be interfered with.
    And under no circumstances should the opposite quay walls be touched. the classical nature of the whole setting would be ruined.

    The Boardwalk’s really pleasant to sit and walk along, but it would have been far superior to have developed the quays properly with wide promenades after the Port Tunnel and other traffic measures implemented, leaving the solidity of the charming granite wall as the boundary between the river and the city

    #741881
    chewy
    Participant

    how would you envisage a place to sit down on the pavement behind the river wall?

    there are now building the boardwalk further down the river i think its great… i always wondered why they didnt’ build it on the other side too…

    encroaching on the river i dunno…. i thought it actually makes it look better , its better looking then a slimey green rgey wall….
    now that the river ain’t used for anything its good thats it area is being improved….

    i was reading a frank mcdonald book yesterday and he was suggesting building a weir down at the custon docks which i thought was wierd

    #741882
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Chewy, I think the weir was proposed to enable transport on the River as it wouls stop the tide from coming up past a certain level. Not sure though, maybe someone else might know?

    #741883
    kefu
    Participant

    No that’s exactly it Phil. The river would only be tidal as far as the weir, meaning you could put leisure/tourism/passenger boats on the Liffey if you wanted with no worry about them getting banked.

    #741884
    GrahamH
    Participant

    It was partially that, but mainly just to make the place look better and stopping the river from stinking to high heaven once the tide goes out.
    It’s only then that the river looks awful, with green slimey walls and the seaweed on O’ Cll Bridge, and the wheely bins and trolleys and traffic cones, and as for um, womens secret things lining the bed outside the Civic Offices – how absolutely disgusting…

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