Airport Link
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January 8, 2003 at 1:24 am #705900lostcarparkParticipant
Forget the metro, this is what we need…
http://www.transrapid.de/en/index.html
At 430MPH, a maglev would whisk you from city centre to the airport in about 4 minutes!
James
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January 8, 2003 at 8:31 am #723587ro_GParticipant
Very wobbly by all accounts
Chinese levitating train
January 02 2003
Shanghai – China’s futuristic magnetic-levitation, high-speed train has been opened to thrill-seekers willing to splash out about 150 yuan for seven minutes.A day after German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji enjoyed the maiden voyage of the world’s first commercial magnetic-levitation train, hundreds of Chinese lined up to board the first ride open to the public. The pilot run represented the first-ever application of new “maglev” technology, in which the train literally floats above the track as it is pushed along by magnets.
In order to satisfy curiosity, authorities in Shanghai have decided to open the train to the public at weekends for the next few weeks. Starting from the Longyang metro station near the Pudong financial district, the train whisked along 30km of magnetic track to the Pudong international airport in just over seven minutes.
Most of the people milling around the station were just waiting for a glimpse of the cutting-edge piece of German engineering, designed and built by industrial conglomerates Siemens and ThyssenKrupp.
“A-hundred-and-fifty yuan is much too expensive,” said one bystander. “I live around here and for about 30 yuan I could take a taxi to the airport.”
“As a whole it’s really good. It’s very fast,” said one young passenger as the train cruised the suspended monorail at speeds of more than 400km/h. Hurtling on its magnetic cushion instead of a traditional undercarriage, the train touched a top speed of 431km/h. It hummed loudly and rocked back and forth.
“It’s not very stable,” said a young woman whose company had made an excursion of the event, “but it’s very exciting.”
A maglev engineer aboard the train said many technical adjustments, for example to the control system and the propulsion, still needed to be carried out.
After the inaugural ride, Zhu announced the building of a second maglev line from Shanghai to the eastern city of Hangzhou. Although a contract has yet to be signed, that track would run about 180km, and likely be integrated with the Shanghai maglev airport link. Until then, German and Chinese engineers will continue to tweak the commercially untested technology. They will complete the second track that will allow a second train, and eventually a third, to operate by early 2004.
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January 8, 2003 at 9:43 am #723588lostcarparkParticipant
Well, you expect a few tething problems, especially for the early adopters.
It’s not like we’re going to start on the airport link any time soon, anyway. Plenty of time for the Chinese to sort out the bugs!
James
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January 9, 2003 at 2:31 pm #723589kefuParticipant
Everytime light rail links are discussed in Ireland, the only options ever mentioned are either burrowing underground or running on-street.
I’ve never once heard anybody mention the possibility of building an elevated train or of having a section like that. Paris has loads of its Metro system built on viaducts and there’s the famous L in Chicago.
Does anybody know anything about the technicalities of elevated trains – I supposed it’s probably expensive but I doubt it’s dearer than going underground. -
January 9, 2003 at 2:44 pm #723590lostcarparkParticipant
I thought the plans for the Metro system, including the proposed airport link, included underground sections, overland sections (but all off-street), and elevated sections.
The docklands light railway also makes excellent use of elevated rail.
Of course Metro system is so far away we might as well call it fantasy.
I wish we would bite the bullet and invest in grandiose plans, like a maglev system, and finally drag ourselves into the twenty-first century.
Careful, or I’ll start talking about internet access in this country!
James
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January 16, 2003 at 5:17 pm #723591crcParticipant
…just to give a first hand account:
The elevated sections of the Paris metro (lines 2,5 and 6) aren’t that desirable. They are alot higher above the ground than the underground bits are deep (to safely clear the roads underneath),
and (presumably because of safety and noise) they don’t operate as fast as other bits.Obviously a Maglev would overcome some of these problems, but I don’t think its an option for Dublin.
The Chinese are pretty good at prestige projects and this one was expensive.
My proposal for the airport link would be to connect it (as a through route) to the Belfast line. This idea is used in Amsterdam and Paris very well.
For example, in our case, air travellers from Belfast, Dundalk, Drogheda would have fast, convenient access to the airport without having to go into the city centre.
If the Heuston – Connolly underground interconnector is ever built, you could have through trains from the south to Belfast which also stop at the airport.
This would increase the airport’s catchment area considerably – which in turn would lead to a greater choice of routes from the airport.
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January 16, 2003 at 6:06 pm #723592lostcarparkParticipant
Okay I admit the MagLev isn’t really a runner because (a) the distance doesn’t really justify it and (b) the technology isn’t established. Some form of conventional rail/light rail makes more sense for now. The cost argument probably has some merit too, but I believe serious investment is needed whatever we do.
Running it on the existing Dublin/Belfast line has some merit, but only if the signalling system is significantly upgraded. The current line is severly stretched because of the minimum distance between trains. DART services are already running to the limit, and if the service was increased so that trains were running every two minutes at peak times, I think a lot more people would use it.
But back to the point. The airport link needs to run at least every 15 mins for most of the day, and there’s no way this could happen on the DART lines at present. I don’t think there would be any problem filling that many trains considering the number of people using the airport.
The other option is the Metro proposal, which would be independant of the DART lines, so would not have to wrangle slots out of the DART schedule to run trains. It also has the advantage that if any problem happen with one line (subsidence in Marino) it doesn’t shut down the whole transport system. Plus, a new line will bring rapid transit to a lot of communities along the route that wouldn’t otherwise be served.
I still like MagLev. 🙂
James
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January 17, 2003 at 10:31 am #723593Rory WParticipant
A modest proposal from myself to the government at €0 cost in consultancy fees from myself
1) run line starting from former Carlton Cinema underground to Broadstone (see attachment MP2 in next response)
2) Use old Navan line out in a loop via Finglas to the Airport
3 Continue the line via Swords to Balbriggan where people coming from the Northern part of the country could get the airport link
See Modest proposal jpeg
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January 17, 2003 at 10:33 am #723594Rory WParticipant
City part of the scheme
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January 17, 2003 at 11:03 am #723595lostcarparkParticipant
That is an excellent idea, and I especially like the idea ofthe northern link. However, whouldn’t putting the link somewhere closer to the city, like Malahide, make it easier for DART users to connect to it without having to walk up Talbot Street?
How does it compare to the Metro proposal?
James
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