Tara street gets go ahead
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i do hope it doesn’t . there is tremendous bulk to that design.
Why is it that places appropriate for highrise don’t have them, while enormous hulking towers like this get the go ahead.
In sandyford industrial estate several enormous towers were proposed along the luas line. these would have been ideal (if they had also proposed a park and a school etc etc. ). These ended up turned down . However recently a new enormous development in the industrial estate is proposed. of course it front the M50 and is as far as can be from the luas line. i would bet that it is allowed!
I agree a boyle, Im not a fan of this project either. The central section maybe but the side block looks very monolithic and bland. Also that retained pub looks plain ridiculous there. Its a protected structure though. (personal mental note: Im starting to develop a curious ambivalence to some protected structures….)
Personally I don’t think this scheme it will go ahead as there seems to be too much uncertainty around CIE at present. Some thing must be done with the site though, its a disgrace – and for a major Dublin station, Tara St is a shambles.
I think if we are going anyway tall in dublin it has to be slender, minimise impact
our narrow streets are not able to absorb relatively big bulky blocks
a smaller footprint with a taller tower could work better
i quite like the contrast of old and new with the bar in frontforgive my petulance , but i don’t think you fully apreciate the scale of this picture. The lower section is twice the height of the new irishtimes building. the taller section is a bit higher that liberty hall, but has substantially more bulk. Notice how the design of the taller section tries to pretend is is only 11/12 storeys high , when it is infact double / triple that number.
I have seen old three storey buildings abutted by skyscrapers in yankee land, the result is not pretty. one particular small church beside an office block in boston springs to mind.
Hopefully the housing market will collapse before what is in my opinion liberties part deux is put upon us.
from that render it looks about 12/13 floors but if your saying that its double or triple then thats a whole different story. way too bulky if thats the case
@a boyle wrote:
Why is it that places appropriate for highrise don’t have them, while enormous hulking towers like this get the go ahead.
Absolutely. That structure looks way too overpowering for the area it’s in, particularly if the renderings you’ve posted (thanks CM00/paul h) are showing it deceptively smaller than it would actually be.
If Dublin has to go tall, certainly slender would work better. Re the pub, it’s only the dwarfing aspect that bothers me, I like that old/new contrast too.
As for Tara St. Station itself, I was there for the first time in a long time a couple of weeks ago and was surprised at the state it was in. I was under the impression it had undergone renovations?? The only new element I noticed was an ‘under construction’ exit on the Howth-Greystones platform. Am I missing something?
The building was to be (will?) 12-ish storeys. Its design is 59m the same as Liberty Hall and Georges Plaza behind it (which I believe has 10 floors of office). I think that render is out of date, following the AnBP appeal, the bulk on the Tara St bit was removed as a condition of grant of planning.
@a boyle wrote:
forgive my petulance , but i don’t think you fully apreciate the scale of this picture. The lower section is twice the height of the new irishtimes building. the taller section is a bit higher that liberty hall, but has substantially more bulk. Notice how the design of the taller section tries to pretend is is only 11/12 storeys high , when it is infact double / triple that number.
I have seen old three storey buildings abutted by skyscrapers in yankee land, the result is not pretty. one particular small church beside an office block in boston springs to mind.
Hopefully the housing market will collapse before what is in my opinion liberties part deux is put upon us.
A boyle i hope you are not serious that you prefer to see our housing market collapse 😮 , probably the economy would follow, than to see this building go up????:confused: this is not a war a boyle! with victory at any cost
we need offices we need apartments the discussion is what kind of buildings they will be housed in
also while i’m here if the taller section is a bit higher than liberty hall
how could it be double or treble 11/12 floors high?sorry for being unclear . the pat liddy drawing, shows a building which is substantially bigger than liberty hall.
the planners lopped of a load of floor and what was permitted was the same height at liberty hall.
I think that any highrise here is a terrible idea. we should be look towards eventually removing the loopline not reinforcing the effect of encroaching on the custom house , what should be the jewel in the city’s crown.
As for housing , well of course i don’t want the housing market to collapse. However for anyone still naive to think it won’t a recent research paper reported in the times did not make reasurring reading. 42 out of 42 house price booms in europe crashed in the last century. Our situation is probably closer to japan , where a decade of depression followed a decade of boom , because banks were left with huge amounts of bad debt that noone could pay.
We are a smaller (read tiny) and some of our banks are internationall meaning less pain for the banks.
When something is overvalued it comes back into line, and there are tears. How many we cant say. But if you have second houses off load what you can !!!
Just to clear things up, the building was altered slightly by ABP, but the height of the main section remained the same, at 60.4m and 14 storeys. The heights of the elevations to some streets were reduced. There was a proposal years ago for a very tall building on the site of the current somewhat tall building beside the station, but not for the station site itself.
Iarnrod Eireann revives Tara St plan
03 December 2006 By Ken Griffin
Iarnrod Eireann has revived plans for a €125 million office development at Tara Street Station in Dublin.Iarnrod Eireann has revived plans for a €125 million office development at Tara Street Station in Dublin.
The proposed 14-storey office block is based on a proposal that received planning permission in 2002.
The project was scrapped, however, after it emerged that the station, which is the country’s busiest, would have to close for 18 months during the construction of the building.
The Sunday Business Post has learned that the company has revised these plans recently and is preparing to lodge a planning application for the development in mid-2007.
The new plans, which will allow the station to remain open during building work, will feature around 13,000 square metres of office space with a roof restaurant.
There will also be a basement car park with a limited number of parking spaces.
A spokeswoman for Iarnrod Eireann said the company hoped that the development would be self-financing and would also fund the cost of redeveloping the railway station.
She said work on the office block could begin as soon as early 2008.
However, the development is likely to be opposed by An Taisce and the Irish Georgian Society, which appealed the company’s previous proposal to An Bord Pleanala. On that occasion, the board approved the scheme subject to 16 conditions.
Iarnrod Eireann is planning to expand the retail space at Connolly Station by 400 square metres.
This development will involve the construction of an enlarged newsagents and two coffee docks with space for another retailer.
‘‘Given the prime location and the large footfall through the station, it is expected that there will be a high level of interest from retailers,†the spokeswoman said.
http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=19396-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.irish-architecture.com/news/2006/000293.html
This one will be interestingas it is bound to set the precedent for the rest of Tara St back as far as College St
According to this it is going to be complete in 2009
http://skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=1340That looks like the old design which they dropped because building it would interfere with train operations. I thought they’d come up with a completely new design?
Yeah – they’re now going to close the station to build it. Before they were going to attempt keeping it open. I don’t think that impacts on the visual design though just the construction method.
It seems like a really bad idea to close the country’s busiest train station for something that could take a good while to build.
CIÉ intend that Tara Street will not be closed during the construction of the new building. They recently awarded a contract to Faber Maunsell (http://www.fabermaunsell.com/) to advise them on a new application (modifiying the existing permission) which would enable them to keep the station open.
Contract: http://www.etenders.gov.ie/Search/Search_Show.aspx?ID=FEB076414
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