Re-open the Dublin to Navan & Kells railway NOW!
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New petition set up for Dublin Navan railway at http://www.meathontrack.com..
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If you propose to open a railway to Kells you fall into the exact same trap as the NRA with M3 you are proposing huge expense to serve a population of 2,600 people.
No disrespect but leave the Navan Route to the experts
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I suggest you log onto http://www.platform11.org and see what the engineers, planners and surveyor have put together for Meath; the platform11 plan if implemented immediately would result in Navan having a rail service in Navan in 12-18 months for a total cost of approximately 60m euro.
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No – consider it planning. Everyone in Meath is an M50 victim even if you don’t go on it. Everyone up here in Meath wants this choice, even more hungrily than they desire an M3.
Meath is going to keep growing as if it has been feed weed-killer, and plans based on this population growth need to be put in place now.
The blockage in the Blanch bottle-neck is just going to be rammed tighter and thicker if we don’t open the Drogheda link short term, and the Navan Dublin line long term
It’s not environmnetalism, it’s pure blunt commuter realism.
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Kells will happen, probably a single line, but it lies well out side of the problem area. Long term Kells is going to need rail, but first express services are needed Navan – Drogheda – Dublin. Plans for Dublin Navan need to be agreed now. Long-term Kells has to come into it, because Meath is growing like rag-worth
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I personally am not in a position to offer any definatives other than to say that there is an appetite and a need for rail to Navan and eventually to Kells.
You are right – if you are going to construct single line you may as well do double. But like most camapigns there is a list of needs and wants.
The Navan rail link is a need and a want. The Kells issue is more of a want at this point, but that doesn’t change the likelyhood that it may well be feasible and probably nessessary at a later point.
One of the major problems is the lack of foreplanning like as is happening with the M3 being built acrross the old Navan rail route without bridging at Cannistown. Just because something isn’t an imperative now, doesn’t mean it won’t be later, particularly with current growth rates in Meath.
No-one can rule Kells out, because Kells may become the Navan of tomorrow, and should be treated as such..
One thing cannot be denied and that is that you can’t rule anything out in Meath.
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The last thing anyone wants is Kells to develop like Navan has; the future planning for Co Meath will in my opinion be based on building up Navan to 60,000-80,000 people and developing the corridor a kilometre south of the Boyne along the rail line.
The Greater Drogheda Area will have an equivelent population in this timeframe also. Why should two large towns with these population bases require a 67 mile rail journey whilst a road journey of 13 miles?
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I understand what you mean by south of the Boyne.
But consider that the M3 is going to bring huge growth all the way to Cavan. It’s already happening, and that is just with an N3. Don’t mind Meath population figures alone, because you have to add Cavan figures too.
Start from a given. Blanch is a no-go area at present. This is going to get worse. Economically, socially, etc etc the Dublin Navan line is a must. Kells and the Cavan hinterland (apologies Cavan) is breathing down Navan’s neck.
Do realise how little employment is in Meath and Cavan? Most people work in Dublin, so from a practicle view point, and in the absense of planning carried out in a sensilbe fashion you have to assume most of the growth will be on the northerly M3 corridor, not easterly along the boyne
You have to leave the door open to Kells long term, because no-one is sure where this growth is leading us. But yes you are right, Navan Dunshaughlin and Ratoath are the short term cosniderqations.
Howeverm your plan is a start not an end..
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Of course it is only a start but critically it is a start that has the potential to move 3000 commuters at each peak time with no implications on the existing Northern Line traffic. Everything else is either medium or long term. Get a rail link into Navan and the population will ask why they don’t have a direct service. To sanction, plan, design, build and test a fully rebuilt rail line would take 6 years which is probably a little quicker than the M3 will take but it is still a long time.
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@Boyler wrote:
The government should also hurry up and reopen the Western Corridor. It is badly needed and would help envoirnmentally and visually.
😮 badly needed by whom?
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Do trains like roads facillitate commuter sprawl. I mean look at greystonse sence i t got the dart. If you accept the logic of people living all over leinster then I suppose rail is the best way to transport people into Dublin. However the improved road network has facilitated the spread of Dublin into the surrounding counties and improved rail will do the same. Of course other factors like councillors who like rezoning and cheaper housing with big gardens are pull factors.
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The Western Corridor is needed for commuters to Galway, for example. People need other modes of transportation besides using cars or buses. While I do agree that the Navan and Kells’ line is the more important issue of the two due to the bigger population in the area, the Corridor is also needed soon
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Boyler I think you will like this
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Boyler;
I’m glad you found it adequate 😉
We’d better correct the thread back to Navan and start a Galway transport thread sometime soon:
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Thanks guys a lot of work went into those reports from a number of people and perspectives,
it is very easy to call for lines to be reopened it is another thing being able to use the Strategic Rail Review and McCann report type criteria to prove that on a realistic cost base and at realistic passenger demand levels that the lines would sustain themeselves at the same level as Dart on an annual cost per passenger basis.
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@Thomond Park wrote:
Thanks guys a lot of work went into those reports from a number of people and perspectives,
it is very easy to call for lines to be reopened it is another thing being able to use the Strategic Rail Review and McCann report type criteria to prove that on a realistic cost base and at realistic passenger demand levels that the lines would sustain themeselves at the same level as Dart on an annual cost per passenger basis.
Can I just check if anyone can tell how close the line runs to Newgrange visitor centre?
I know it’s up the hill but I don’t have a map to hand
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West,
It is roughly 2 kms and is on the opposite side of the Boyne which will permit development without any adverse impacts on the entire Newgrange/Dowth complex. A seasonal feeder bus bus be viable and could dratically reduce the current demand on car/bus parking at Irelands premier heritage site.
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A feeder bus to the Newgrange complex from the station could be an interesting idea for off peak during summer months and at weekends the same way that Mosney operated as Butlins. The issue of a new pedestrian bridge to cross the Boyne would be a major issue and would need a touch as good as Harrington Howly or similar.
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