proposed changes to stephen’s green
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Sounds like they are getting a little nervous about the long term plan – which would be a shame.
If phase 2 is left till next summer does that imply another 12 months of bicycle shattering pot holes for cyclists passing the Fitzwilliam hotel etc or will there be some light remedial work on the potholes?No word there about what Dublin bus are going to do with the buses currently going down Harcourt St – will it be Hatch and Green East or Harcourt/Cuffe/Aungier/Georges St for them?
I think they are just covering their ass with this statement I can’t see the second phase getting delayed for a year. The first phase will be such a success compared to the current situation plus what difference is waiting for a year going to make? Wish “reversing the traffic on Hume Street and Ely Place” was part of the first phase. Bring it on say I.
Anyone any theories how the buses, such as the 44 or 48 outbound, which currently come
– up Merrion St / Hume St / Green / Earsfort Terrace will now be routed?
Kildare Street is not an option.
Obviously the Loretto parents have won the right to triple park into perpetuity. The elimination of Hume St and Ely Place from the equation is bonkers as is the impossibility of getting from Kildare st to Adelaide Rd via St Green East and Easrlsfort Tce.
The new bottle knecks are going to be the already choked Clare St and I dread to see Upper Pembroke St.
Wasn’t Chaos suppossed to be a butterfly fluttering its wings a different direction in the Amazonas?
Isn’t the area outside the Loretto going to be a contra flow bus lane so the Loretto brigade would have to park in it if they were to pick up their darlings where they do now but that wouldn’t surprise me?
If you want to get to Adelaide Rd you could go around Merrion Square and along all the Fitzwilliam St’s until you are on Adelaide road. Not ideal for a motorist but I think that is the point, make it difficult for motorists travelling trough the heart of the city.
I agree that Pembroke St could become a bit of a nightmare and something should be done at this junction.
One possible solution to the problem is if the DCC gave up the lucrative parking spots on the St Stephens Green East or at least made the cars park parallel to the side of the green and then add another lane to this side of the green for traffic going south. Two going north and one bus and one normal lane going south.
It’s also a pity that Molesworth St, one of the few oases of calm left in the city, and with a distinct charm, is now going to have to surrender itself to a barrage of traffic from the Green.
Also irritating is that if Molesworth is ‘saved’ from it, Ely Place – even more quaint, will be lost!They are chawing away at the top of Dawson Street also.
– gosh it must be about a year or two since that place was comprehensively “refurbished”, so more and more people could have space, and a new surface, to wait on, to cross the road.
I used to think the Brendan Behan story about the anniversary of the hole was a little fanciful, but no more.No suggestions regarding the 44 and the 48 buses yet.
Originally posted by dc3
…No suggestions regarding the 44 and the 48 buses yet.Don’t know the routes myself but some people who should are the bus enthusiasts here and they are very quiet on this issue.
We’re quiet because we don’t have any info on what Dublin Bus are going to do.
If they follow true to normal form, the re-routing will be announced at about 7pm on the day before the changes, there will be no info on the bus stops, and it will be only afterwards that they will actually work out where the buses will stop on the new routings.
Sounds cynical I know, but said from bitter experience . . .
Gabriel
You predicted correctly Gabriel
Dublin Bus announced their plans a few days ago but they only got coverage yesterday:Buses inbound will operate as follows:
Routes 14-14A-15-15A-15B-15C-44-44C-48A: These routes will turn right off Harcourt Street onto Hatch Street Upper, then onto Hatch Street Lower, turning left onto Leeson Street. They will then turn right onto St. Stephen’s Green East, then left onto St. Stephen’s Green North and then into Dawson’s Street.
Routes 44-44C-48A: These routes will turn right at the bottom of Dawson’s Street to Nassau Street, Leinster Street South and onto their route at Lincoln Place.
Routes 10-10A-11-11A-11B-13B-46-46A-46B: All Xpresso and the above stated routes will turn right from Leeson Street Lower onto St. Stephen’s Green East then onto St. Stephen’s Green North and onto their route on Dawson’s Street.
Route 20B: will turn right at the top of Kildare Street and will operate from St. Stephen’s Green North.
Bus stops have been sited on St. Stephen’s Green North for all of the above routes.
Outbound buses operate as normal.
Outbound
There is one lane for buses today on the OPW side of the Green. With two new contraflow lanes inbound on the Green side. A plastic divider divides in, from out.
As every outbound bus stops to let off or take on passengers, every bus behind it stops and waits, then when it reaches its stop the buses behind stop and wait…………..there is no possibility of a full bus passing out the queue.
Odd
It should be possible to fine tune this – to allow 2 lanes for outbound buses and still have 2 for inbound traffic.Yeah, remove or alter the parking on the other side of the street but that would eat into the lucrative parking cash cow. If the parking was removed the bus lane could be widened and a normal southbound lane could be added.
You really have to question the seriousness of the DCC to try and remove unnecessary traffic from inside the canals when they stubbornly keep such parking arrangements.
They have just ripped up the road on SG west. Are they just resurfacing the road or are they laying pipes or something??
Are there any updates on the new public space planned for SG North?
Just saw a van parked in the (contraflow) bus lane on St Stephens Green (OPW HQ side) this morning. As it is only one lane wide, all the buses were then blocked for going outwards!
It seemed to have no driver, – perhaps delivering something or other, which cant be too easy there now.Amazingly too a Guard was on the scene and was “looking into it”. Perhaps we should have a hotline number to call a traffic planner.
Given time they will be able to re-engineer the path down there to make it wider and possibly even cut in a loading bay or two.
They will have to do something to accomodate the buses anyway, if one takes an average bus taking on 10 passengers there will be a backlog just from public transport anyway.
All in all it is working quite well I think, having said that the schools are out what happens in the first couple of weeks in September will be the real test
I think Luas is taking cars out of the area. I also think the new arrangements are making some people avoid the Stephen’s Green area altogether. For instance, I have to go from Northside to Ballsbridge and avoid the Green in the morning but go that way on the way back home. I’d say the arrangements are cutting about 25 per cent of the normal traffic for that area out of the equation altogether.
You’re right about the time of year though. That’s having a huge impact and I think they need some permanent road markings etc, not just cones by the time September comes around.
The more I see of this, the more I’m convinced City Council are going to go with this permanently. I really don’t think it will be any more chaotic come December than the old way.Diaspora, you just can’t wait to see how the Loreto Brigade handle the changes. 😉
Mind you a lot of those kids probably live on the Luas line and will use it instead of getting mummy to pick them up.
Just looking at the amount of views to this thread – surprising how many motorists tapped ‘ Stephen’s Green traffic changes’ into Google!
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