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  • #804147
    Anonymous
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    @Rory W wrote:

    How about being put in the clink until the rebuild is complete – that would put a stop to their gallop and they’d be pretty damn prompt about getting the rebuild done

    I was wondering about that: since an enforcement order was served, he is in contempt, ideally he should be put in prison until his contempt is discharged.

    #804148
    admin
    Keymaster

    Aside from Archers garage & Handel’s Arch, are ther any other noteworthy cases where DCC forced a re-build ??

    #804149
    Anonymous
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    We now have names… Bastards 😡

    Council assessing plan for damaged church

    STEVEN CARROLL

    DUBLIN CITY Council says it is in discussion with the “reputed owner” of a former Methodist Church in the north city that was partly demolished without permission earlier this week.

    The front and left side of the building, on Jones’s Road in Dublin 3, had been razed by JCBs on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, and the works rendered the building unsafe in the opinion of the council.

    A spokeswoman for the council said the reputed owner has been in discussion with its building inspector and has submitted a proposal that is being assessed to ascertain if it will make the building safe. The council issued an enforcement notice demanding the reinstatement of the former church and schoolhouse and its railings, as well as the cessation of unauthorised demolition on the site.

    John Reilly, buildings inspector with the council, said the structure was not a listed building, but since new rules were introduced in June, permission was required to demolish an industrial building greater than 100sq m.

    He said planning permission for its demolition probably would have been granted, but an attempt had clearly been made to circumvent the process. The building is about 400sq m. It dates back to 1881 and, until a fortnight ago, was used as a leather-furniture salesroom called Leather Land.

    The enforcement notice was issued by the council to Leather Land and Adrian McNally, who is listed as a director of Leather Imports, based in Navan, Co Meath, which is the owner of Leather Land. Attempts by The Irish Times to contact Mr McNally yesterday were unsuccessful.

    Deputy Lord Mayor of Dublin Emer Costello branded the partial demolition a tragedy and said she would be in favour of a prison sentence for those responsible.

    © 2008 The Irish Times

    #804150
    Anonymous
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    These are much too big but I can’t get them down for some reason

    #804151
    Anonymous
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    Just copying this here as it’s probably more relevant to this thread:

    @ctesiphon wrote:

    Stephen- that was my original understanding, but apparently it’s not as clear-cut as that, according to some people more knowledgeable than I who I spoke to on the matter of demolition. The advice I got was simply to check the most up-to-date version of the Regs for guidance.

    Also, I’m not sure if this was an actual Proposed Protected Structure, or whether it was a proposed Proposed Protected Structure, i.e. had proceedings commenced to evaluate its merits with a view to adding it to the RPS, or had it just been mooted? This needs to be clarified. If the latter, then the (P)PS law wouldn’t apply.

    […]

    I’d argue that PP should be required for all demolition, and therefore episodes such as this one wouldn’t arise so often. In addition, a better resourced grants structure would be a great help. The boom years seemed to sideline much rational debate in this regard in the rush to develop; sadly, I fear the quiet years will lead to a “Sure it’s development, it’s jobs ferchrissakes!” attitude instead of a chance to reflect on the role of these ‘barriers to development’ in the urban landscape.

    #804152
    Anonymous
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    ‘Holy Disgrace’!

    Even Robin is now getting involved in the urban debate:)

    #804153
    Anonymous
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    Sorry to refresh a stale thread, but I still feel angry about this. Does anyone know if the council is going to compel the fumble in a greasy till merchant to rebuild it?

    #804154
    Anonymous
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    Sorry to refresh a stale thread, but I still feel angry about this. Does anyone know if the council is going to compel the fumble in a greasy till merchant to rebuild it?

    Looks like the “greasy till merchant” wants to knock it completely as exempted development

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/RL2662.htm

    #804155
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Is it worthwhile writing to the local councillors asking them to intervene?

    #804156
    Anonymous
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    @pdosullivan wrote:

    Is it worthwhile writing to the local councillors asking them to intervene?

    It is well worth the effort.

    #804157
    Anonymous
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    Is it worthwhile writing to the local councillors asking them to intervene?

    If Bord Pleanala approve demolition I’ll be the first to lead a mob with flaming torches down to Marlborough St.

    Councillors cannot intervene in an ABP deliberation, but should be instructing the City Manager to take all steps to prevent further damage and prosectution of the individuals responsible.

    #804158
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks for the feedback, I will prepare a considered submission to the local reps.

    #804159
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Sorry to drag this up but the place has been of interest to me lately. Does this mean that it won’t be knocked?

    I took a look around there yesterday and got some pictures of what it’s like now.

    Methodist Church

    #804160
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    despite the obvious – it looks in pretty good condition considering

    #804161
    Anonymous
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    Yes, it is in fairly good shape. It should not take too much effort to put it back the way it was.

    #804162
    admin
    Keymaster

    With its proximity to Croker I’m gobsmacked that a leisure use of the existing was never the favoured option if not the only viable option. If this were used as a mezz level Gym and a ground floor bar it would be an utter goldmine and some element of planning gain could be realised by giving use of a section of the bar for day time community events to get the very vocal local residents on side.

    #804163
    Anonymous
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    Sounds like bad news.

    Demolition of landmark church near Croke Park ‘is legal’ – court
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/demolition-of-landmark-church-near-croke-park-lsquois-legalrsquo-ndash-court-2816107.html

    Men within their rights to have church building demolished
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0708/1224300301244.html

    #804164
    Anonymous
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    #804165
    Anonymous
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    It was not, by any chance, on a bank holiday?

    #804166
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Why are we not surprised?

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