iveagh market

Going to be a hotel. There was some planning row over it but it’s now got the final go-ahead.
It was discussed at the June meeting of Dublin City Council and they said work should start before the end of the year.

Another hotel / superpub. The wise men of DCC should take a train upto Belfast and inspect and view how the old St. George’s Market has been restored and operating again as a genuine thriving city market.

Where is the Iveagh Market? (something more detailed than “in the Liberties” please!)

It is on Francis Street. If you come from Thomas Street it is on the left

The DTO have a journey planner which will help. Enter “Iveagh Market” as the business.

http://212.17.39.71/dto/content/planner.asp

They’re on Francis Street I think…or Meath Street. Its a shame they are not remaining as working markets.

On the other side of the Liffey, does anyone know anything about the Markets area redevelopment there. Is it a pipe dream or a serious proposal?

Originally posted by Harry
It is on Francis Street. If you come from Thomas Street it is on the left

The DTO have a journey planner which will help. Enter “Iveagh Market” as the business.

http://212.17.39.71/dto/content/planner.asp

Thanks.

Went up there on Thursday last as it came up on the Irish Railway News discussion group that there was still a sign on a door marked “Deliveries for the Great Northern Railway”.

I can’t see this surviving redevelopment.

A great oppurtunity existed here for the market (once council property- our property) to be reinstated as a genuine city market. The outdoor market in Temple Bar just down High St. from Francis St. is too small and above all exposed. The rightfull purpose here was staring them in the face. Why can they get so little right !!

Just wrote an article for Food & Wine magazine on why Dublin needs a permanent covered market – mentioned Iveagh again.

I have already stated my preference for the markets to have remained working markets. In addition when you consider this area is stilll very much a residential area with a thriving retail community that has not fallen prey to superstores and supermarkets and the like it seems all the more sad that the markets are being taken away and replace by a hotel of all things. Why a hotel here?

The outdoor market in Temple Bar is only a weekend affair and is too full of ’boutique’ stalls to be considered a proper market that you would use in preference to your nearest Dunnes or Tescos.

Its a shame… and your right Papworth… the right thing to do is staring the CC in the face!

I’m sure that this market was closed down ‘temporarily’ until it could be spruced. I remember an article about it at the time. It had interviews with personalities who shopped there. I particularly remember Anne Doyle saying how much she loved it. I wonder was this ‘temporary’ closure just an excuse to get rid of the traders???

Just thinking of the huge markets of the Ramblas in Barcelona (whose name escapes me) – would be fantastic in Dublin.

But then again, when we have a population who are more concerned with how long their weight-wacthers meal will take to microwave before they sit on their arses in front of EastEnders than good fresh food, would the markets be a waste?

one thing Cork definitely has over Dublin, i.e the English Market. Super place and has the best fish in the country

Originally posted by Rory W
Just thinking of the huge markets of the Ramblas in Barcelona (whose name escapes me) – would be fantastic in Dublin.

Mercat de la Boqueria
https://archiseek.com/guides/spain/catalunya/barcelona/mercat_de_la_boqueria.html

Thats the one… mmm nice

some shots taken in the last few days showing condition

How did it end up taking 4 years to get planning permission?
Very doubtful any hotel will be built here now so maybe it was for the best.

How did it end up taking 4 years to get planning permission?
Very doubtful any hotel will be built here now so maybe it was for the best.
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/03/25/story22028.asp

A real shame (though not about the hotel development); I was in the St George’s Markets in Belfast recently – positively humming and an exemplar for the Iveagh. Another example (along with the Markets near Smithfield) of the almost terminal lack of imagination and not always doing the complicated thing that seems typical of DCC.

Happy Arthur’s Day everyone! Lets celebrate the wonderful contribution of the Guinness family to Dublin by getting pissed on Diageo and throwing more shit into the markets!

need to develope some sort of ‘in the meantime’ planning scheme, ie yes i know you want to make this into fancy hotel but in meantime we’re going to use it for market

Eh I think we need a new Dublin City Development plan, these markets (Iveagh and smithfield) need to be saved as markets. Its just silly to think a hotel would be a good idea for the sites.

New Development Plan could = limiting planning permission of the site to allow market activity only as I think the people of Dublin would want.

I used to shop here for vintage clothes back in the early 90’s. I loved it- it had a real sense of what i imagine the old markets on the sites of the Ilac Centre and St.Stevens Green had back in the day. Run by a gaggle of older women traders, I used to spend many a happy hour rooting out old clothes- anything from Victorian onwards….a terrible shame all that tradition is lost in Dublin now, all that remains of it I guess is down at the Hill Market off Parnell St of a Saturday morning, and I suppose its days are numbered now that the social welfare office is closed on North Cumberland St….I wonder what plans they have for that building….

Not for the faint hearted is the Cumberland Street Market.

@gunter wrote:

Not for the faint hearted is the Cumberland Street Market.

a good set of sharp elbows and an eye for a diamond in the rough is eesential for any flea marketeering. It’s a real pity this hasn’t taken off in Dublin on a bigger scale-either in a purpose built place or on the streets.

@ac1976 wrote:

Eh I think we need a new Dublin City Development plan, these markets (Iveagh and smithfield) need to be saved as markets. Its just silly to think a hotel would be a good idea for the sites.

New Development Plan could = limiting planning permission of the site to allow market activity only as I think the people of Dublin would want.

I agree.
40 years after the destruction of Les Halles, Parisians still lament the loss of “The belly of Paris” as Emile Zola called it. Baltards graceful pavilions were sacrificed on an alter of private greed, bureaucratic incompetence and political compromise. The subterranean monstrosity that replaced it (Forum Les Halles) only adds insult to injury and the pigeon droppings that cover the place are the only feature that gives this shopping centre any character.

Surely Dublin wouldn’t make the same mistakes.

Would it ?

@tommyt wrote:

a good set of sharp elbows and an eye for a diamond in the rough is eesential for any flea marketeering. It’s a real pity this hasn’t taken off in Dublin on a bigger scale-either in a purpose built place or on the streets.

It really is a pity. And the argument that Dublin’s crappy weather (for street trading) and large amount of gougers work against such plans is invalid when you look at London’s amazing market culture. They have their fair share of rain and louts and they manage to make it work admirably.

If we could get anything like that we’d be lucky.

Not knowing the history of the Markets, is there any specific reason why they closed the building in the first place (other than to sneakily redevelop it)? Structurally unsafe or something like that?.. Living nearby I would love to see it back open as a proper market.

@DjangoD wrote:

It really is a pity. And the argument that Dublin’s crappy weather (for street trading) and large amount of gougers work against such plans is invalid when you look at London’s amazing market culture. They have their fair share of rain and louts and they manage to make it work admirably.

If we could get anything like that we’d be lucky.

Very true, and Dublin benefits similarly from having this two well placed and generally preserved old market buildings – plus I’m sure that there’s a market for decent.. markets, and there’s obviously no lack of supply, Ireland being Ireland.

Would be nice to see some solid plans to turn Iveagh and Smithfield back into burgeoning farmers markets.

It’s been 14 years now that this market has been closed and festering. Pity. We could really do with a proper covered market. Anyone any idea if there are any plans for development or will they continue to rot ’till they’re demolished?

Irish Times mentioned it on Saturday, although I don’t know where the information comes from…

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/20 … 66473.html

Some Photographs from 1986 in the RTE library
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