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  • #744686
    deza
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    On paper Dublin sprawls for quite a bit. However, my view on this was changed when flying off from Dublin airport a month ago. As you know, the airport is no more than 7 miles from the city centre, but if you look out the window as soon as the plane starts to make it’s accent all you can see are fields – as far as the eye can see.

    #744687
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by deza
    On paper Dublin sprawls for quite a bit. However, my view on this was changed when flying off from Dublin airport a month ago. As you know, the airport is no more than 7 miles from the city centre, but if you look out the window as soon as the plane starts to make it’s accent all you can see are fields – as far as the eye can see.

    The area around the Airport is probably the least developed area relative to its distance from the City Centre.

    Best International planning practice is to limit non-airport related development for 2-5kms around Airports for three reasons

    1> Safety
    2> Environmental Health ie noise and air pollution
    3> To reserve the land for airport related uses.

    If there was a planning free for all around the airport it would simply become a sprawling retail warehouse park.

    The Fingal South Fringe Study 2002 deals with the rationale.

    What has also hampered North County Dublin is the lack of rail services, it simply isn’t possible to develop many more car dependent homes in this area. To get from the CC to Swords in the evening rush hour takes about 75-90 minutes on the Bus or about the time it takes a train to get to Tullamore.

    #744688
    deza
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    I understand that. It’s just that I can’t see where this sprawl is. I know Dublin is a fairly big city in relative terms.

    If you compare it with UK cities such as Liverpool, Sheffield and Leeds for instance it’s bigger. It’s about twice the size of Belfast and Edinburgh and similar in size to Glasgow. Whenever, I’ve been over I’ve felt the buzz of something big. However, a few of us decided to go to Kilkenny and got the train from Euston. After 5 minutes on the train, we were surrounded by fields. It just surprised me especially when you compare it the bustling feel in the city.

    Does this sprawl perhaps come in “pockets” of urbanisation?

    #744689
    Anonymous
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    It does come in pockets as you say and it also comes in lines, one of the major problems here is ribbon development. Where you entered fields on the Southern rail line is almost like a green lung for Dublin.

    Immediately to the North is an area called Lucan that has 1000’s of typical 3 bed semi-detatched houses at a density of 16 or less to the acre. To the South is Tallaght which again has 1000’s of low density houses.

    The real problems in Dublin are not towards the Airport or along the southern rail line but radiate from major roads. Land prices were very cheap in Dublin until recently which made selling low spec low density housing very profitable.

    Now land prices are high at least half the settlement is occuring 30-120 kms away from Central Dublin in the County towns of the adjoining counties. It is leading to a similar phenonenum experienced in the UK in the late 1980’s

    #744690
    deza
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    Cheers Diaspoa. Your explanation certainly makes a lot of sense. Perhaps building up and creating affordable housing is the only way to halt this sprawl. Logically there are only 2 options. You build up or you build out.

    I think building up is probably the only option to stop Dublin spreading out as far as Galway!

    #744691
    Anonymous
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    All credit to The City Council and Harcourt developments this one looks like a step in the right direction

    http://www.irish-architecture.com/news/2004/000151.html

    #744692
    Andrew Duffy
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    Originally posted by Diaspora
    Europes largest shopping centre will soon open in Dundrum

    I seriously doubt it. It doesn’t even look like being the biggest in Dublin.

    #744693
    Anonymous
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    I read somewhere it was but I could be wrong, it has been big enough for many of the tenants in the neighbouring Nutgrove Centre not to renew their leases and move into the new centre, the tenant list from the snippits I’ve seen is impressive. From what I’ve heard the views from the top floor are outstanding with views from Bray to Howth

    #744694
    d_d_dallas
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    I heard something along the lines of five floors underground…?

    #744695
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by d_d_dallas
    I heard something along the lines of five floors underground…?

    Of Parking?

    I have only seen whats in the Commercial property supplements so I can’t be sure, I was talking to someone who visited the site 2 weeks ago and she was very impressed by the views she had seen. I also very much doubt that fire officer would grant five floors of underground retail space.

    #744696
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Yes – I presume parking… that’s quite an investment and impressive piece of construction by Irish standards.
    Five underground floors of shopping would look opressive. Natural light in a shopping mall is really important.

    #744697
    JL
    Participant

    there’s an article about it (or rather about its lift shafts) in this week’s AJ which includes all the stats.

    #744698
    Rory W
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    However, a few of us decided to go to Kilkenny and got the train from Euston

    Wow I didn’t know they’d finished the tunnel to the UK;)

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