Does Kerry have a planning system?
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@Dubliner wrote:
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Talking on the issue of no respect did anyone see the news on the 60 seals hacked to death by Kerry Fishermen this week, it appears they have no respect for anything down there, be it creatures, landscapes or historical buildings.
Dubliner,
As thread starter I would ask you to be more restrained in your comments towards Kerry people on this thread, I agree that the incident off Great Blasket is a digrace that hasn’t seen equal since a similar incident occured in the 1980’s a few counties north of here on that I think everyone will agree. But to equate bad planning oversight by the county manager & corrupt interventions by some local politicians with the senseless murder of defenceless animals is way OTT.
The planning system needs to function in Kerry with the professional planners being allowed to perform their duties to the best of their abilities unimpeded by parochial minded clientist politicians. But I wouldn’t lump the two issues together, they are guilty of enough as it is.
@Archiseek News wrote:
Kerry council to offer planning service
Archiseek / Ireland / News / 2005 / January 8
The Irish TimesKerry County Council is to offer a new “on-site pre-planning service” in an attempt to free up planning for one-off houses on family-owned lands. The development is part of an agreement between the county manager, Mr Martin Riordan, and councillors. There has been bitter division between most councillors and management in Kerry over planning in rural areas. Until recently, council meetings have been dominated by motions from councillors directing the manager to grant permission, often against the advice of planners and engineers.
© Copyright 1996-2005 Archiseek.com
I wonder will it come to anything, or just constitue another layer to be bypassed?
Did anyone see the article in Today’s Irish Times on the 4,500 applications submitted for one off houses in Kerry since this service was introduced. Appaerntly the 4,500 houses are a multiple of the number of ‘rural housing needs’ for the next decade. The article also went on to display the costs of these houses on the Kerry County Council Budget.
It is obvious that the hue and cry raised by particular political elements had little to do with a few hard luck cases but a lot more to do with selling sites with FPP to tourists. Current site values in the prime-r areas of South Kerry with the benefit of FPP now exceed 350k
‘Serial objectors’ face fee hike for planning challenges
The Irish IndependentA Register of ‘serial objectors’ to one-off rural housing is likely to be set up in Kerry. This follows a unanimous decision by council members to ask Environment Minister Dick Roche for a 10-fold increase in the cost of fees for anyone objecting to a development outside of their local electoral area. The same small number of names consistently turns up on planning files objecting to developments and making observations on one-off rural housing, councillors claim.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1322517&issue_id=11965
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2005/0119/2281241960HM2KERRYPLAN.html
Mr Sheahan said An Taisce, too, had “overstepped its remit”.
“They will object to a one-off house, but a small distance away where there’s a big development, there will not be a word,” he said.
translation – “I have completely missed the point”.
typical kerry county council speak
It makes me want to cry
surely these ‘serial objectors’ have a democratic right to object
to the plague of one-off housing (and large scale housing
developments if they so wish)which is gradually destroying
kerry.
The councillors are going to keep on pushing through planning
applications for spanish style haciendas and grecian villas ,as well
as suburban style housing estates around small towns, you name it
and by raising the cost of lodging an objection actually attempting to barr
people from objecting! its a joke.
Im from kerry myself and its quite incredible to see whats going on
down there. Most people even the ‘serial objectors’ I would say are at
this stage pretty apathetic, it seems that the councillors dont even
recognice the need to control development particularly in scenic and
rural areas.
Killarney town and its environs are particularly shocking.
If the right to object to this state of affairs is made more expensive
or a sort of ‘hit list’ of ‘serial objectors’ is introduced (presumably deeming
these peoples objections to be merely part of some personal agenda
and not worthy of recognition), then where will it end. They may as
well do away with the planning system and any kind of open and public
system for its regualtion, have personal applications to councillors for
one’s own one off house. That would cut out all the hassle …The measure is the equivalant to that of an outright ban on objections themselves for most people – certainly that is the effect intended.
Has this not yet been addressed by Europe – didn’t they decry any charge for making an objection as unlawful and that the Govt would be retracting the current standard €20 charge, let alone this outrageous proposal?
To be honest this doesn’t surpise or bother me one bit,
we know all the commentators involved and we know their backgrounds and their motivation, I’m sure Dick Roche will just ignore it if he doesn’t this serial garden cleaner will just clean something else.
Probe into alleged ethics breach in Killarney
Monday, 26 March 2007 16:42
The Standards in Public Office Commission has begun a public investigation into alleged ethics breaches by two Killarney town councillors.The hearing is the first of its kind.
Both councillors, Fianna Fáil’s Pat O’Donoghue and Mayor of Killarney Sheila Casey of Fine Gael, have denied the allegations.
The hearing is being led by former High Court Judge Matthew P Smith, who is the Chairman of the Standards in Public Office Commission.
The two councillors are facing investigation over the rezoning of 20 acres of land belonging to Mr O’Donoghue’s family.
The O’Donoghues own the Gleneagle and Brehon Hotels in Killarney.
Shiela Casey is an employee of Patrick O’Donoghue’s in the Gleneagle Hotel.
20 Acres in Killarney $$$$$$$
Kerry Cllr ‘may have breached ethics’
Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:53
A report on alleged breaches of ethics by two councillors in Killarney, Co Kerry, has been published.The Standards in Public Office Commission report confirms that it will be referring the case of Fianna Fáil Councillor Patrick O’Donoghue to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
The commission concluded that he may have committed offences under the Local Government Act during his attempts to rezone land owned by his family on the outskirts of Killarney.
AdvertisementThe commission also found that Mayor of Killarney Sheila Casey, Fine Gael Councillor, did not breach the Local Government Act because she may not have had knowledge that, as an employee of the O’Donoghue family, she had a beneficial interest in the motion to rezone the lands.
Tut tut
@PVC King wrote:
The commission also found that Mayor of Killarney Sheila Casey, Fine Gael Councillor, did not breach the Local Government Act because she may not have had knowledge that, as an employee of the O’Donoghue family, she had a beneficial interest in the motion to rezone the lands.
Ah shur God bless the Blueshirts – they just haven’t a clue about this plannin stuff – unlike the cute FF hoors.
Poor oul Ml Lowrey was even kept in the dark by his civil servants. He had no idea he needed planning permission.
Innocents abroad.
The frightening thing is that Lowrey topped the poll at the next election and was in the top 10 national vote totals. Will be under pressure this time the constituency looks tight.
There has to be zero tolerance of this type of thing; first whiff and your out. No doubt Cllr O’Donaghue is canvassing away with his tri-coloured badge promoting his namesake.
http://www.fiannafail.ie/person.php4?pid=214&show=Councillor
That says it all
@PVC King wrote:
http://www.fiannafail.ie/person.php4?pid=214&show=Councillor
That says it all
I suppose we are getting a little off topic and political here. However, I expect nothing from Councillors and am never disappointed.
What does annoy me is the shock horror antics of same (and their masters) when the inevitable chicken (with salmonella) comes home to roost. For example the recent contamination of drinking water and seawater exposed by the EPA.
Who is to blame? THEM up above in DUBLIN – i.e. the administration and (as always) the Planners.
This despite the repeated advice from Planners that perticular Section 140 motions, or frequently insane rezonings, will lead precisely to this dilemma. All they care about is local favour. Nothing else.
I have said it before – the situation is out of control and beyond remedy and many decent and competent local authority planners have given up the struggle in the face of continued political sabotage.
I would consider voting Green except I am old enough to remember the bad economic times and (selfishly) want to keep my head above the water financially for another while (cue to joke about Global Warming).
I can’t argue that given the backdrop it is entirely unreasonable to feel apothetic.
Key point in this is that a Councillor has been refered to the director of public prosecutions for alleged use of a party mandate to advance his family interests.
The same councillor is permitted to retain that mandate at election time. If you vote FF you are voting for alleged abuse of the planning system.
Tom Currans has reopened old wounds with an attack on the planning agents in Kerry ignoring the factt that planners in kerry are to a man: evasive, inarticulate & inconsistent!
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