Re: Re: Part L and Planning Permission

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@henno wrote:

Assuming we are talking about an individual dwelling here, then a planning application cannot be refused if it does not comply with building regulations. There is currently no statutory onus on a designer of a dwelling to have planning drawings comply with building regulations…….. I can give you numerous examples of permissions that have been given where the design did not meet part M…..i am not stating that this is acceptable, in my opinion its not, however that is whats happening…..

it is the onus of the designer, contractor, client and ultimately, certifier during the construction process, to ensure that the construction meets the building regs,…
regarding BER, this obviously can achieve higher grades by doing a preliminary cert and offering advise on how to improve after… but to suggest that this should be done (under the current planning system) before planning is even granted is putting the cart so far in front of the horse that he’d need a taxi to get back to it…..

can you give me an example where the planning authority requested detailed construction drawings prior to granting of permission for a dwelling in order to assess its compliance with building regulations???

most councils send out a leaflet AFTER final grant setting out the Buildign Control System… see the kildare one here :,1594,en.pdf look at paragraph 3……

again, i am agreeing with your opinion that the way youve outlined is the way it should be, im just stating the fact that it is currently not the case…..

Section 15 of the Dublin Development Plan clearly states all the items that a dwelling must adhere to for permitted development including:

Energy Efficiency: Layout and dwelling design
must conform to the highest possible standards
of energy efficiency and as many dwellings as
possible must have access to sunlight and make
use of passive solar design. Where possible and
practicable, energy-saving and energy generating
technologies such as roof top solar panels
should be incorporated at the design stage.


The Planning Authority considers that all
buildings should receive adequate daylight and
sunlight. Careful design of residential buildings,
where the amount of incoming light is important,
can ensure that sufficient sunlight can enter
habitable rooms to provide comfort and also
reduce the need for artificial lighting.

DCC’s version of the standard Planning Application form states:


It should be noted that because each planning authority has its own development plan, which sets out local development policies and objectives for its own area it is necessary for Dublin City Council to require supplementary information (i.e. other than mandatory information) in order to determine whether the application conforms with the development plan.
While failure to supply the supplementary information will not invalidate your planning application, it may delay the decision-making process or lead to a refusal of permission. In case of doubt, applicants should contact Dublin City Council Planning Department to determine what local policies and objectives would apply to the development proposed and whether additional information is required.


they are quite within their remit to ask you to explain anything that they might think does not fall within the development plan’s guidelines

You don’t need to submit construction drawings – you do need to know how a building goes together, how u-values work and how the extent of glazing and building orientation can effect energy consumption. If you don’t know the basics you have no place submitting(edit) a planning application on behalf of anyone. Incidentally, on larger schemes, fire officers ask for construction drawings long before a building gets to site.

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