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    • #708071
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Is this still lying empty?

    • #760452
      urbanisto
      Participant

      yup… and increasingly delapidated. Its bizzare – such a prime location. Now this would be an ideal Starbucks site…just in case i get accused of anti-Starbucks bias!

    • #760453
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Who owns it? Are they trying to run it down? What’s the name of that old couple who own or used to own a large chunk of decrepit Dublin?

    • #760454
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Would that be the Underwoods?

    • #760455
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      That’s the name – wonder do they own it? It’s a great site, and like said above, a good corner for a cafe

    • #760456
      Anonymous
      Participant

      As Stephen Said above it would make a good Starbucks who I imagine will success permitting go on an aggressive acquisition trail hopefully including this one. The entrance to Capel St is a complete disaster considering this dead frontage and the vacant Bank of Ireland on the opposite corner. The Boarwalk in contrast offers a much more attractive route via Liffey St to the Northern retail core.

    • #760457
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Pity the city couldnt cpo this

    • #760458
      urbanisto
      Participant

      Wouldnt it be great of we has this facility on Archseek to foward all these issues to a relevant person. Problems with OCSt?….email to the project manager, hate the kiosks?…tell the area manager. Wonder what on earth is going on with this building….email the area’s planner.

      No sign yet of the promised improvement scheme for Capel St which was supposed to address sites like this along with the pavements and public domain.

    • #760459
      Devin
      Participant

      There was a solicitors in it – Egan Cosgrave – until about 5 years ago – think they own it too. They moved to Lr. Baggot Street. Yeah it’s disgraceful the way it’s just been left vacant ever since.

      It’s a Protected Structure, so if something obviously needs to be repaired, like a roof letting in water, you can ask the council to serve a Section 59 notice on the owner, compelling them to fix it. There’s definitely a case for the council CPO’ing it.

      I was in the building just before it was vacated…was trying to get their permission to carry out a study on it for a postgrad course I was doing at the time…was essentially told to f*** off. I was on the first floor; there’s some nice carved window cases behind those lovely gothic arched windows you can see. The building of course appears in the 1790s Malton print looking across Grattan (then Essex) Bridge.

      You know the way it juts out relative to Upr. Ormond Quay? Well how a truck has never ploughed into it in all these years I don’t know… It will hopefully make it safely into the era of no trucks & reduced traffic levels/speeds on the quays.

    • #760460
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      I would be very surprised if the building wasn’t starting to rot away – once a building is vacent, it can start to go pretty quickly.

    • #760461
      Morlan
      Participant

      Check out the end window. Looks like it suffered a fire or perhaps some hardcore rot has set in.

      And what is going on with that fence action on the roof?? 😀

    • #760462
      kefu
      Participant

      I don’t know would this course of action be suitable but the building certainly qualifies in category two. These are extracts from the Dublin City Council website:-

      What is a Derelict Site? #5480
      Land which materially detracts from a surrounding area because of: 1. The presence of ruinous or dangerous structures 2. The neglected or unsightly condition of land or structures 3. The accumulation of litter or waste.

      How can I get a site registered as a Derelict Site? #5483
      Put the call through to the Derelict Sites part of the Development Unit 222 2143. Once DCC realises a site is derelict the site information goes on the derelict sites register. If the owner says he will be doing redevelopment work or has applied for planning permission this will be taken into consideration and he/she will be given a few month’s leeway.

    • #760463
      J. Seerski
      Participant

      This is a most important building – it appears on Malton’s view of Capel Street Bridge, when the street was the most fashionable commercial street in the city.

    • #760464
      GrahamH
      Participant

      Yes a well-proportioned structure with of course the most fantastic gothick sashes – and famous as has been said from Malton’s Capel St/Parliament St vista:

      It’s a crying shame to see it in the condition it is – definitely a case for getting the wheels of protected structure legislation rolling.

    • #760465
      Devin
      Participant

      Ah yes!

      There was some kind of a patch up job done on its appearance there about a year ago. The fencing was removed from the roof and the shopfront & upper facade were painted in more neutral colours. – Maybe the council thought it was having a negative effect on the kiosks (guffaw).

    • #760466
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      I wanted to revive this thread to see if anybody has more up to date information. This building has, just in the last couple of weeks, suffered broken glass doors (behind the metal security grating) and I wondered if that would be sufficient for us to report it to the City Council as derelict? As a non-native Dubliner, I’m not sure of the process…

    • #760467
      Devin
      Participant

      I must have a look at that.

    • #760468
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      You’ll best be able to see the broken glass if you’re on foot – the doors that are set at an angle to the street and are behind a metal security screen have been broken.

    • #760469
      fergalr
      Participant

      Sorry, I might be wrong, but the photograph clearly shows a building on the west side of the street, whereas the Malton print shows one on the east side (you can see the old Custom House in the backround). So surely they can’t be the same building?

    • #760470
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      no, thats the eastern corner – the photo is from the bridge looking up Capel street not from the quays. So the photo and the print are taken in opposite directions.

    • #760471
      Rory W
      Participant

      That area of “rot” has been fixed now

    • #760472
      fergalr
      Participant

      Ah right.

      Well in that case, this is arguably one of the most famous private Dublin building in the city. And, especially given the fact the City Councillors can see it from their perch atop Parliament St, it should be preserved at all costs.

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