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I was reading back over this and the old Cork thread, and am curious about several projects that were mentioned but have gone quiet:
Eglington St. – This has planning, but any idea when construction starts? The WebWorks building in front of it is already shooting up, and – together with the pictures posted here – give some idea of the scale of this project.
Crosses Green hotel – this (amazingly, in my opinion) secured planning. Any idea if/when construction is due to start, or is it more likely the site will be sold with full planning permission.
Kinsale Rd. hotel – a planning proposal was withdrawn if I remember correctly. Anyone have any idea why? Even gossip welcome! 😉
Academy St. – Can’t wait to see what’s planned for here. Given its location and size, I’d imagine this one will be really under the microscope.
Grand Parade Plaza – Wasn’t construction due to start before now?
Any pictures/plans of the North Docklands?
Office building on Clontarf St. – the one on that tiny triangular site. Any more news?
And, finally, are there any even tentative plans for the Water St. bridge?
(Sorry for all the questions!)
Edited: for grammar reasons..
@jimg wrote:
It’s a nice idea but it just won’t happen. Even if the GAA were willing, I can’t see the IRFU handing over 50% of their revenue to allow an extra 25% watch the match. I can’t imagine the IRFU only using Lansdowne Rd for three rugby matches every two years (Italy on alternative years and a match against a minnow in the Autumn). For every other match there is huge demand for more tickets.
I think the capacity of Croker is about 84K, which would be an increase of 68% over Lansdowne. That probably would be worth upgrading for. However, it probably only makes sense if the GAA reciprocate and move matches with attendances less than 50K from Croke Park to Lansdowne.
I think the site is constrained by the DART line behind the North terrace.
The capacity is a concern, but IF Croke Park stays available, there’s little need for two large stadia in Dublin, so one 80K and one 50K might make some sense. If Croke Park is closed off again by the GAA once Lansdowne Rd. is finished, this makes less sense.
I just wonder how much it’ll ACTUALLY cost. Hard to believe the Millennium stadium in Cardiff (c. 80K capacity with a sliding roof) was built for under £170 million (sterling).
@lexington wrote:
Dunnes will seek to demolish all existing structures on its 0.024 hectare site bounded by Bowling Green Street to the west, William O’Brien Street to the east, Drawbridge Street to the north and Saint Patrick’s Street to the south – however the St. Patrick’s Street facades at numbers 103, 104 and 105 will be retained and incorporated into this impressive new scheme.
I was just about to throw a big hissy fit until I noticed the facades are being retained! 🙂 At least one of them is quite attractive!
This should be a great boost to the area, should it go through. Am I right in thinking Bowling Green St. itself will be redeveloped and some retail units may front onto this street? If so, that could add significant new retail frontage to the Patrick St. area, which could use some to counter spiralling rents, to be honest.
Pictures of Eden development in Blackrock, as promised. Apologies for the quality, they’re taken from a brochure with a camera phone!!
I wouldn’t call them ugly at all, but considering they’re possibly the most expensive new development in Cork (per sq. foot) in the last few years, I was pretty underwhelmed.
@Pug wrote:
Not sure how i managed to get everyone talking about Eden Hall Student Village but does anyone have pictures of the Eden in Blackrock??
I have the brochure here, but no scanner at the moment. If no one else has them, I’ll try and and get some up this evening.
I quite like the Crow’s Nest plans. I have to admit though, I’m firmly in the “let’s hide the County Hall” camp!
I’m not sure how we can group tall buildings together (as many people favour) if we also need to space them out to prevent views being obstructed. We have to pick one or the other – I’ve a coin ready to flip if anyone’s interested! 😉
Has anyone seen the designs for the Eden development in Blackrock? Considering the hefty price tags (385,000+ for a mid-sized 2 bed apartment), I thought the design is nothing special. It actually looks a lot to me like ’70s council housing, except in good nick!
@d_d_dallas wrote:
For those interested some pics of a rarely seen view – inside Jacob’s Mill which after 40 years of dereliction is undergoing renewal and to my mind is the most emblematic development in the city.
I’m really looking forward to seeing that finished, hope the external finishing materials will be nice. To me, that’s almost one of Cork’s ‘signature views’, looking through the trees on O’Sullivan’s Quay, at the quirky buildings overhanging the river, Parliament bridge and this building in the background.
Pity nothing’s been done with that quayside yet – even if it just meant new railings and footpath.
If I’m not mistaken, there were plans proposed (around the time the tunnel was being planned) for such a dam and double lock system, but further downsteam at the current location of the tunnel. Because of the double lock, traffic wouldn’t be delayed even when shipping is passing through. And of course, it also would allow the city centre water level to be regulated.
Also on the subject of the river walls, is that large pipe “stuck on” to the river wall opposite O’Sullivan’s Quay (the Fás building) a new arrival? Not only is it a ugly eyesore, but there already has been one collapse in the river wall where the pipe’s support are attached.
Whatever about cleaning up the quaysides, let’s make sure they’re sound first!
@Radioactiveman wrote:
I see subway (yum!!) have moved into the basement of the building at the corner of St. Patricks Hill and MacCurtain Street. Presumably a listed building and I’m unsure whether they have planning for a change of permission from the existing public house. Let me know if I’m wrong though!!
😉 Why do I get a sense of deja vu?
Very interesting lexington, especially alongside the plans to turn the South link landfill into a public park too. Great seeing some thought going into preserving green areas as the city expands.
lexington wrote:And who_me – Cork’s tallest development proposal has yet to be lodged. ]I really hate you when you’re being cryptic! 😀
Is this a previous development we’ve heard about, or something new and secretive? (or is this just a logical ‘no matter how tall the buildings are now, sooner or later a taller building is going to be built?’) Don’t keep us in suspense!?!
Can’t wait for the Eglington development to start up – it’s refreshing to see larger apartments on the market, though God only knows how much a c. 2,000ft apartment will cost. Well out of my price range anyway I’d imagine.
And I have to bring up a small whine here – providing parking spaces seems to be a requisite for new apartment blocks such as these, but it’s annoying that they are sold separately. Which just means that many people who can just afford the apartments can’t afford the extra 40 – 70 thousand euros for one parking space and so still end up looking for parking elsewhere in the area. I’d love it if the developers were forced to include the parking spots with the apartments.
As for County Hall – admittedly the renovations look like a huge improvement, but I wouldn’t exactly be crying if it were completely obscured. If the Crow’s Nest (great name for a skyscraper?!?) goes ahead, would that spark off further similar developments in the area?
On or about 15 storeys seems to be about the magic figure for new towers in Cork isn’t it? 😉
It would be nice to see some more variety in height, I’d have thought, some taller, some shorter.
Looking forward to pictures of this one though.
mickeydocs wrote:70’s tv cop series connection ]😀 That was my guess too. I thought plans were already undeway there though, pictures were up here or in the other Cork thread.
@lexington wrote:
Same images – just different angles. Also I think there is some variation in the montage colourations, but it’s the same building.
Really? If you look at the first image in your post and the last in Radioactiveman’s, it’s hard to believe the perspective is so misleading – the roof’s lines look a lot cleaner in the images he posted.
Edited – ‘cos brain doesn’t wake up until the late afternoon! 😮
@A-ha wrote:
Firstly, a light rail system should be kept out of the Glanmire area. Think of all the hassle it would produce! Also, Radioactiveman, I think that not as many pubs are needed nowadays, people have left the dingy backwash and started to go the “café culture” way. Like there aren’t enough coffee shops in Cork as it is, yet they keep opening, and apparently, due to popular demand. But I’ve never heard of The Hairy Lemon (laughing as he types) where was it???, it sounds like something from a Harry Potter book.
The Hariy Lemon was a pub adjacent to the Bróg before it expanded (ground and first floor, on the left hand side), the Cránnóg was on the other side (ground floor only). I don’t know what happened to the licenses when they were subsumed into the Bróg.
Ah, the nostalgia. The Bróg and the Liberty were two of my college day haunts, the Lib’s gond and the Brógs on the way out. Pity.
I know we’re wandering off-topic here, but I think the problem is less about the basic number of cafes and bars, but the opening hours too. Most cafes seem to close up at 6 meaning the streets can get very quiet in the evenings, even in mid summer. And the Bróg and Qube were the only two establishments I know of which opened late 7 nights a week – a big complaint I hear from visitors about other bars in the city.
Cork – thriving before 6 and at the weekend, deathly quiet otherwise.
Incidentally Radioactiveman, lexington; there are differences between the School of Music shots you’ve both posted – do you know which are more recent?
@lexington wrote:
Actually, the other pictures are a little deceptive. This is the one, for me, that gives an indication of the true size of the building. It’s a big ‘un!
