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@Leesider wrote:
I thought the planning app was for 27 stories, will we forgive Tommy 3 stories!!! 🙂
The website says 28, but that probably excludes the tall roof garden/gallery which would “kinda” take it up to 30 stories.
Thanks for the link murfee, looks very impressive there!! The swing bridge looks bigger than I expected.
The appearance does seem to have changes slightly from the original mock-ups – and for the worst. The gray cladding is pretty horrible; the tower looks good from the South and West, horrible to the North and (especially) East.
I think the expectation was for 4 towers of around 20 stories in the South Docklands, plus myriad others of slightly lesser heights, in which case it’s probably around the right height. Of course, if the Docklands development does stall (er… never start?) then the Elysian will continue to stick out a bit.
Cork seems to be very, very poorly represented by our politicians. Compare our public transport, with Dublin. Compare our lack of modern sports facilities, to Limerick or Dublin. Compare our airport & routes offered, to Limerick(Shannon) or Dublin.
What exactly do they do all day?
I assume the reference to Silversprings was just inaccuracy rather than a new location, the hotel isn’t too far from Water Street. At least I hope so.
The alternative being – they’re considering developing the old railway line into a road route right into the heart of the docklands, with a bridge across to the North side of the river. Ick!
I was under the impression that boats will be able to come up as far as the Custom House Quays too PTB. If that bridge is meant to be liftable/swingable, it might explain why it’s only 2 lanes. Incidentally, will any of the bridges be 1-way?
@theblimp wrote:
With regard to the waterbus concept, while I think it’s a wonderful idea, I feel that one of the biggest probs is going to be the speed restriction from Blackrock Castle in to the quays. Anyone who’s every come up-river by boat will testify that it takes quite some time to complete that leg of the journey within the speed limit. I can’t see the rowing clubs allowing a new waterbus service gaining a special dispensation here. Also remember that this speed limit is speed over water, NOT speed over ground. So while the limit is (I think) 5 knots, if you’re up against a 3-knot tidal stream, you’re only making good 2 knots over ground …… casual walking pace 🙁
Couldn’t something be worked out here? The bus is only really going to be worthwhile for 2 hours of the day or so (coming to and from work) so couldn’t the speed limit be relaxed for these periods?
@Carrigaline wrote:
O.P. Street has more than its fair share of empties as well though
True, though some are due to renovations – and it’s more a factor of the city centre starting to expand; so we’re likely to see some vacant premises on all streets for a while, methinks.
I’d say Oliver Plunkett St. has a lot to do with it. There are a lot of new, smaller businesses popping up there; which are bound to have an effect on the (far more expensive) Patrick St.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Cruise’s Street makes lavish use of red brick for paving and for the buildings themselves. The poster sugested that Oliver Plunkett Street would have been better paved in “red style paving”. I disagree. The fact that there are plans to demolish the ugliness that is Cruise’s Street must be a weight off the mind for all Limerickites 🙂
The red paving works well on French Church St. and Carey’s Lane, given they’re a much smaller area.
For such a large paved area as Patrick St., I think dark mono-tone paving would be very dull and drab. The use of a mixture of paving stones is one of the things I really like about the street renewal, it adds texture to what would otherwise be a large, bland space.
Fair enough, perhaps not the most apt choice of words on my part.
I do however think it’s an interesting and charming part of the city which even many people who’ve lived here for years haven’t seen. As with anything though, it’s difficult to do much to attract people to it, without destroying the character which made it interesting in the first place.
I can’t see how the pedestrianisation of Patrick Street will help the stores’ fortunes there – it just makes it easier to drive to Wilton/Blackpool/Mahon Point etc. and walk from the carpark (or run, if it’s raining); rather than go to the city centre and have to park several streets away.
(This has nothing to do with the fact that I work on the South Mall and worry about it becoming the new Pana with convoys of souped up Micras tearing down the street… 😉 )
Actually, I think Oliver Plunkett St. has improved enormously already. One of the best moves the council has made was to pedestrianise the street. Good to see some businesses appearing and others getting a facelift at the Lower end of the street – such as the Market Lane in the old Aoife Landers (very nice renovation done inside) and the very tasteful redo of Milanos. When the Beasley St. hotel opens, it can only add to this.
There were various rumours about the Bodega (silent partners objecting to its use as a store) etc, but who knows what the truth is. It is still open late as a nightclub, I believe. Pity, one of the best in Cork, and offered something substantially new and different when it opened.
Washington St. still looks very poor, with not just Mannix’s but several buildings in very poor repair.
I just noticed today the building on Tuckey St. nearest the entrance to Bishop Lucey Park is receiving its first paint job – it could be quite nice if they do a good job accentuating the detail.
If any area in Cork is primed for development, this is it. With Shandon, the Butter Museum, and the (greatly under-used, IMO) Firkin Crane all in close proximity in a small square, served by several old laneways, this area is greatly wasted at the moment.
About 50m. Close enough to ensure if you try and take a photo of the cathedral from the South Gate bridge (which seems to be one of those ‘compulsary’ shots which every tourist in Cork city takes), you’ll have to carefully nudge it out of the frame.
I’ve meant to post photos of the site – it’s very small. That hotel is going to be absolutely wedged in there. No idea where the parking is, I’m guessing it has to be underground.
“If CCC have any sense”
So, you don’t hold out much optimism either.. 😉
It’d be a pity, while I didn’t know the name of the street it is a charming little corner. It’d be nice if it were tidied up a little.
On another note, I noticed that a small part of the Dunnes facade on Patrick St. has been demolished, I’m assuming this is for the purpose of widening Bowling Green St? If so, it should be a substantial improvement on what was there beforehand, it’s noticeably wider and should be a good deal brighter too.
I’m not too concerned about the demolishment of the facade itself, it’s the two middle buildings which are interesting. It’s a pity actually, as the “second from West” facade is a really nice building, which was done no favours by being incorporated into the overall block/colour scheme. Likewise, the building to the West of the Savoy – part of Quills – is another attractive building which isn’t helped by being incorporated into the larger premises.
Foundation work has started on the Clarke’s bridge office development. I have an image of the original proposals, but I’m sure it’s been scaled back from there (as always).
If it’s the first design, that cuboid on top sticking its head over the other buildings is going to look pretty awful from any other angle.
In other areas.. I thought from the Academy St. centre images that the Examiner/Echo building on the corner of Academy St. and Emmet Place was being retained. Well, it’s pretty thoroughly gone now! The unusual red-brick section (with the “mosaic” on the facade) is still there, is that being retained or is that going as well?
Now that the Crosses Green hotel development site has been levelled, I have to say I can’t see how the hotel (as previously pictured) will fit in there. They’ll need one hell of a shoehorn.
Also noticed on the Jacob’s Mill building the PVC windows seem to be dark now (dark grey it looked). No idea what they can/should/will do with the roof.
I’ll genuinely miss it. For all its decrepitness (or perhaps because of it) it was a great little stadium. It’s like knocking a tatty old Georgian to put up a shiny glass ‘n’ metal cuboid in its place. Sure it’ll be cleaner and tidier, but it’s so dull in comparison.
Having said that, cracking video of the West Stand coming down can be found here 🙂
