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@rofbp wrote:
thats a delicate thing to engineer. hope its of practical of use rather than as a “statement”
btw, i’ve often tried to open those planning links on a mac, in safari and firefox, but it never seems to work. any suggestions?Works “fine” here. (The document resizing is always a bit off, and sometimes the site seems to go down and you have to go back to the query page), but it works.
@barneymagee wrote:
Yea it’s annoying. Not sure why the City Council doesn’t simply use PDFs rather than LizardTech (never seen anyone else use this).
From what I can tell I can only download the LizardTech plugin for Internet Explorer. There doesn’t seem to be one for firefox or safari.
I use firefox as my browser. There is an add-on you can download called IE Tab Plus which opens a new tab within firefox but it’s using the Internet Explorer browser engine. It means I can view the planning docs within firefox without having to start up explorer separately.
Not sure if the above will work on a mac though.
The link at the bottom of the page states IE only, but if you follow it you can download a plugin that’ll work on Safari on the Mac. PDFs would be so much simpler.
@rofbp wrote:
thanks!
is that the actual water st bridge or one the developers have stuck in to indicate the bridge’s location?I’ve seen a previous image (unrelated to the MCP proposal) with the same design for the Water Street bridge, so I think that is the proposed design alright. I’m not sure about the materials though.
Of course, until anyone has the budget to build the thing, any ‘proposed design’ is a bit meaningless.
A lot more information is now in the MCP planning application. Check out docs 13 and 15 particular in the EIS in for images and information on the layout. It’s a very impressive proposal (and an impressive document!).
p.s. the structure on the roof of the tower appears to be a wind turbine.
@barneymagee wrote:
Could simply be a design feature. The Elysian has what looks like a flagpole on top also.
The other thing to notice the next time you’re in the area is all the mobile phone masts on the R&H Hall silos. When these are demolished there will be a need for the masts to be located elsewhere. I’d say many of the new tall buildings in the area will see masts on them.Yea that image seems to be the Water Street bridge which they want to build after the Eastern Gateway Bridge.
That building is quite tall, could it be that that ‘needle’/pylon is to push it over the height of the Elysian, to become the tallest building in the Republic? (though, of course, by the time any of this is built, it may not be).
I like the fact that they’ve avoided going for a tedious row of 6/7 floor blocks along the river front (Dublin, I’m looking at you) but there’s a lot of variety in height and shape. And that tower is a bit quirky. Chances are, of course, it’ll be decimated in planning anyhow, and come out a boring 10 floor lump. 😡
Also – isn’t the Water Street bridge quite low in that render? Of course, it’s just a render, and the angle could be deceiving too; but it looks far too low to let a lot of boats in. I don’t know if it’s planned to be a swing bridge, but they won’t want to have to open the bridge every time anyone sails up the river.
@PTB wrote:
It says in the Examiner that Centre Park road will have to be raised by 3 meters. Is this to stop flooding or what?
And will the trees be chopped down? It’s one of the few tree lined avenues in Cork.
I’m not sure if it’s due to flooding, or soil contamination (there probably have been all kinds of oils & chemicals seeping down into much of that earth for decades). If it is due to contamination, what happens if there is any construction in that area, presumably the contaminated soil would all be brought back up to the surface.
3m is a lot! How large an area do they mean?
@rofbp wrote:
second article from examiner about the development
independent’s article here (less info than examiner)Thanks for the links.
Funny how reading those links (in particular the Indo), you’d think the project was in an advanced state. Between this, Atlantic Quarter, the Origin development on Kennedy Quay and the new event centre on Albert Quay; you’d think the docklands were booming.
Interesting. Given the times we’re in I’m always a bit dubious about how practical projects like these are, but if there is any whisper of an upturn, that’s the time to get the ball rolling.
Funny how they include a shot of Atlantic Quarter in the article above. I guess it’s an image of a “typical Cork dockland proposal”. 🙂
@GregF wrote:
Watching it on TV when there was a kicking opportunity for a conversion or penalty it was hard to distinguish the goalposts against the roof framework of the shallow end. The shallow end row of seats looked rediculous! Should have made it more higher. Still, it’s better than when it was a kip.
🙁
Out of curiosity, do the posts have to be white? Could they be painted a different colour for contrast with the background?
Thanks for the replies!
This pontoon is more prominent than the one on Lapp’s quay (it’s more mid-channel due to leaving space for mooring on the inside), but it’s a great addition to the city. There’s a real buzz around that part of the city centre now.
At the moment, work seems to be underway in building a second ‘pontoon’ at Custom House Quay, right next to a similar one at Lapp’s Quay. (In the river right across from the proposed event centre above).
Does anyone know anything about it, or the need for it? Is it because the DeValera bridge obstructs traffic (such as the Sea Safari)? Does this mean the Custom House Quay will now be open to the public?
@green_jesus wrote:
From the Evening Echo Friday 30th Aprill 2010…
Just spotted these now, much appreciated!
Not bad.. would need to see it from other angles though.
Any renders of the O’Callaghan proposal? I’d love to see it. Would be a great location for me (live about 50m away 🙂 ).
If anything is ever to happen in the Docklands, then it’ll probably require the city centre ‘growing’ out to it – such as the Lapp’s Quay development, the Elysian, this proposed event centre (even the refurbishment of the Sextant) – rather than a big development at the other end far from the city, and hoping other developments fill in the gaps. Who’d want to live/work in the docklands as they currently stand?
What an odd time for the Docklands to finally start to progress..
Incidentally, I just noticed the Coors Light Peak promotional concerts include a gig at the Port of Cork facilities, from the map it looks like it’s on the Custom House Quay; not sure if it’s on the quay-side or in the warehouses themselves. Nice to see SOMETHING finally happen in there. 🙂
@jungle wrote:
But the type of office space that who_me and I can’t find isn’t the sort that Google would need.
In our case, we need about 300 square metres for our current usage, but would be looking for closer to 500 to allow for planned future expansion.
In our case, we’re even smaller – about 200m2. We found a handful of suitable options around the city, but all were priced at a premium. Lack of parking didn’t help either (several employees from outside the city, so public transport not an option).
My 5 minute walk to work has turned into a 30 minute commute.. but can’t complain, considering! 😉 The docklands would have been idea – right side of the city and still central, but it’s in limbo.
@Angry Rebel wrote:
Sure the jackeens don’t need it now that the IFSC is gone quiet…
Could we stage a daring raid to steal it? It’s probably too short but sure we could throw a few planks across the gap until we find the extra few bob.
From Dublin? Surely, A Bridge Too Far? (sorry!)
@jungle wrote:
Actually, office space could still be a goer.
Although Cork has a glut of commercial space, there’s a serious lack of good quality modern office space near the city centre (Believe me, we’re in the process of looking!). Plenty out in Mahon, Little Island or up at the airport, but not in the city centre itself.
Can second this – we’re about to move from the city centre for this very reason. D’OH! 🙁
I have to say, some of the shots there (and on The Elysian site) are pretty sweet.
If it weren’t for the (presumably, crazy) maintenance fees and the fact I just bought a year or so again, I’d definitely be interested.
@shanekeane wrote:
Hmm, I don’t mean to be offensive, but I do disagree. I think Cork has some nice little lanes, and I like the South Mall because it’s the only street in the city that looks like a city rather than a town. I think Patrick Street is a failed project, full of dirty and decrepit looking buildings. MacCurtain Street looks like it’s straight out of the 70s. Washington Street is just a bunch of warehouses, and the Grand Parade is another failed project full of clutter and totally lifeless in the lower half. The quays are mind-numbingly ugly from Patrick Street right down to the bus station and beyond, on both sides. And the surrounding hills, areas like Shandon etc., are full of those old plastered grey buildings which depress the hell out of me. The big problem with Cork, like most Irish towns and cities, is the lack of attention to detail. There are some nice old buildings that are dirty, or badly kept etc. The paving stones on Patrick Street and Grand Parade are ugly and depressing. They should have used the golden French limestone paving stones they’re using in Limerick.
That’s a rather narrow view – it only looks good if it looks like other city streets are supposed to look?
I believe it’s the narrow streets and low, old style buildings which give Cork its charm. Most cities of the world would give their eye-teeth to be described as “like a small town”.
I do agree wholeheartedly about the condition of many buildings though; there are far, far too many buildings in the city centre in a very poor state of repair. Look at the library, the top several feet of it are black!
