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Cheers Mike. No major disappointment to see the Voodoo Rooms/High Stool gone which is a pretty big site. It’ll be interesting to see what happens the other section. It is now sale agreed As far as I know the house on that corner facing onto Mallow Street was also sold a year or so ago and remains empty. The plaster on the wall facing Catherine street is no crumbling away and the building looks in poor shape. Also Kind of curious to see what the plans are for the Java’s area (Java’s demoliton seems to have started) and also across the road where O’Riada’s bar is now but images are non-existant it seems.
Just saw this permission also granted. Very big site and development by the sounds of things. Since the racecourse has moved to Patricks well it has been a big green space doing nothing. I assume this is inside the city boundary?0514 The Limerick Race Company Plc.
Greenmount Park,
Patrickswell,
Co. Limerick.
Planning permission for development of mixed-use scheme at the former Greenpark Racecourse. The development includes a residential scheme which will consist of 353 residential units; consisting of 112 no. apartments, 17 no. maisonette apartments, 54 no. semi-detached units and 70 no. detached houses, 43 no. terraced houses, 29 no. duplex units and 28 no. apartments below duplex and playgrounds. The application also includes a neighbourhood centre incorporating; a creche, retail unit, coffee shop, doctor/dentist office. The application includes parking for approximately 725 vehicles at ground and basement level, ancillary site works, access roads and hard and soft landscaping. The application also includes the provision of a major recreation amentiy area incorporating playing pitches, changing facilities, informal recreation areas, landscaped amenity areas, ancillary parking (approx 100 vehicle spaces), a playground and hard and soft landscaping. An EIS applic. SEE ATTACHED SCHEDULE Former Greenpark
Racecourse
Limerick@CologneMike wrote:
Hmmm…]same[/U] planners and residents ignore :confused: the 8000 to 10.000 daily pilgrims who attend the 9 day annual solemn novena there each summer. Don’t religious festivals require some traffic congestion planning too!
Ha ha. Thought the exact same thing. Generally a nightmare of a place to travel through between 18-25 June each year. Still though I suppose 600 permanent residents versus the Novena for a week , there’s a difference.
Interested to see the below was granted permission as well. Is this across the road from the demolition of Java’s, the taxi building and Moynihan Shoes on the corner of Thomas Street and Catherine Street or is it further up Catherine Street?. My previous post on demolition of Georgian buildings may have been premature.
O’Donoghue Peter
6 Mount Oval,
Rochestown,
Cork
Permission is sought for demolition of existing premises and construction of 3 no. retail units on ground and basement level with 16 no. apartments above on first, second, third and roof level and all ancillary site works 38-41 Catherine Street,
Limerick.some photies courtesy of Limerick Blogger
@vitruvius wrote:
Has anyone seen an ad in Today’s (28/02/07) Independent Property supplement? It’s for a building on Bedford Row. First look, it looks like any bland block. Second glance and it reveals itself as as the old Central cinema/ Unitarian Church. – with a glass atrium in front!
Surely the only reason that pp would be give to remove the old cinema front would be to expose the church building and create a little space in front of it.
This proposal is one of the most hideous and short sighted I’ve seen in a long time.
When Bedford row is “completed” it will be all shiny and new – just like Cruises st. was 10 years ago and then in 2017 it’ll be just like Cruises st. is now.
The only architecturally interesting thing on Cruises st. is the arch and doorcase on chapel lane.
The only architeturally interesting thing on Bedford row, now that the pretty Georgian houses at the end of the row are dust, is the Unitarian church, designed by Limerick’s most preeminent architect, James Paine.
It is no exaggeration to describe Paine as Limerick’s Gandon or Cooley.
How is this allowed to happen in 2007?:mad: 😡 😡I don’t agree at all. Bedford Row was a tip. That Cinema was a disgrace and I’m glad to see the back of it. I like the idea of the glass in front of the church front because thats all there is there, is the front. Its not a full structure. If it was I may think differently. By framing it with glass it highlights whats left of the building. Would you prefer a modern building behind an old Church front. I wouldnt. Not all of the front is intact either, only from the first floor up.
That “pretty” Georgian building(there was only one) was falling down, ugly and surrounded by/integrated into the Savoy which was also a tip. I’d personally prefer to see the building thats going there than 1 Georgian building preserved for the sake of it with nothing nearby to compliment it. Henry St is shaping up nicely with a mix of very modern buildings and the preservation and renovation of things like the Hanging Gardens in the old GPO site.That i’m all for. 100% for the preservation of things but that building would look very odd on its own, I’m glad to see the retention of the Georgian terrace on Patrick St for the Opera Centre but that will work there and compliment its surroundings but keeping one ugly building(badly damaged to the back and side by the Savoy by the way) on the corner of a street with very modern buildings on it would not achieve much imo. I think that was one of the mistakes made when the Savoy was built. There was no continuity between Henry St and Bedford Row and on a shopping street, that building never served any purpose.
Limerick has load of Geogian buildings and it is great to preserve as much as possible but that building you are talking about would not look well beside anything that was put beside it. I’d much prefer to see the focus for preservation on things like Mallow Street and the Catherine Street buildings you pointed out in an earlier post. These are terraces of Georgian buildings which would look amazing restored correctly and suit where their current locations but Bedford Row does not have much in the way of Georgian heritage and hasn’t for a long long time. I just don’t think that one building was worth saving.@browser wrote:
vkid, answer me this, if the daa wasn’t to pay for the debt why then was it given, in toto, the Great Southern Chain and Aer Rianta international? How come Cork & Shannon didn’t get 1/3 of those? In any event the project over ran from€140m to €220m. Who was supposedly surpervising the project at the time? The DAA of course. My good sources inCAA tell me they have run Cork airport into the ground for thelast 2 yrs vetoing any decent proposal – as of course you’d expect the to because they are the competition!
That is even before you recall that the DAA and Shannon got their airport upgrades through the purse strings of Aer Rianta, a state body with tax money from everywhere, inc Cork, funding those upgrades. We should have been upgraded 20 yrs earlier but the delay in giving us an upgrade is being used to justify us having to pay for it!
Don’t get me wrong, the question you ask is valid (this isn’t a begging bowl issue I promise) but so are the answers to it. I think the government has no idea of the strength of feeling about this here. The promise (and I know – politicians break these all of the time) is being seen as a bell wether of whether this gov could give a flying f**k about Cork (we already had our doubts). The answer is a resounding no.
The DAA also tried to sell a large landbank belonging to Shannon as well before they were stopped in their tracks and there are still major issues with the DAA’s treatment of Shannon , They also vetoed a huge cargo proposal there some years ago. Its not all roesy there either and the DAA are playing dirty with many areas of that airport.
But I still don’t really see why they should pay for all of CA’s debts. If CA is to really stand alone it should be liable for some of the cost of the Airport ( the same as any business would be liable for its premises).just wondering why people think the DAA should pay for 40m of old debt and 180m of debt related to the terminal before they hand over to CAA? Surely if Cork Airport is to be a stand alone entity and has as much potential as people here believe, surely it should pay for some of the new facility that it has at its disposal. Why should the DAA/government pay for all of it?
Political promises always have been worthless in this country and contrary to what is often hinted at here, Cork is not the only place to fall foul of this. (Reading some of the hard done by Cork posts on here recently you’d think its getting nothing)
Just curious to the logic here as I dont know much of the history (political promise aside)really have to wonder how all this retail space is going to work out. Thats just one side of the city. The Crescent I suppose cant expand too much further but on the Ennis Road side you have Coonagh Cross/Jetland Centre/Jetland Retail Park all either just open or under construction and none of those are particularly small. Whats happening in the Childers Road/Parkway area is madness. Out of all the centres there, I cant see the Parkway shopping centre itself lasting too much longer without some serious over haul. Could see it being sold for residential development but that just my opinion. The Delta retail park isn’t full yet and Eastway has a couple of units yet to fill so where are all the tenants going to come from?? Add in the Opera centre/Bedford Row and the mind boggles.
AS you say I would have to see more images but its a difficult location to develop because of the Georgian terraces on Pery Square and Barrington Street and St Michaels Chruch(which is a lovely building) which surround the site. In saying that though, a glass structure may be the best option as more mock Georgian brickwork would be a mistake in that area. A contrast to the surroundings might work very well but that image doesn’t really give enough detail to make a decision.
@ake wrote:
Oh my God tell me they are not going to put that illuminous green cheap plastic shite all the way up the tower! Why is that horrible crap popping up all over the place?! It’s the single ugliest building material I have ever seen anywhere in my life. It should be banned. Can we could not afford a nice polished granite or sandstone in this country overflowing with money
Ditto. Thats stuff looks horrific enough at low levels never mind it sticking out of the skyline, and in such quantity. Cant see all that green doing anything for the aesthetics of this building in years to come. IMO if you;re going to build up, you need to select the materials very carefully. That green cladding will not stand the test of time visually imo although never seen it used on a building of that height yet so could be proved wrong. Anywhere it has been used it looks cheap and nasty (its all over Galway and looks horrible). They could have at least used some real copper !
Absolutely agree. O’Connell St from Debenhams up to the Brazen Head needs some serious work. The upper part is still pretty ok but that particular section around Brown Thomas/Bank of Ireland/George/AIB is one of the worst parts of the city at the moment. Its just a mish mash of stuff. How the buildings where the Sony Centre/Leavys shoes/Abrakebabra are being left the way they are is terrible. Any changes to those should involve the restoration of the Georgian brickwork and sash windows. Whats been done to the Texas Steakout and Leavys in the last few years is terrible particularly Leavys. Different finishes on O’Connel Street and Shannon Street. WTF?:mad:
@CologneMike wrote:
Looks like the Clarion marketing department had to sex-up the image of the new hotel with a little bit of rouge lip-stick![/url]
Pretty positive there was nothing done to the Clarion Suites since it was rebuilt. Its been the same orange colour all along. In fairness the building itself is a hell of a lot better than the Ardhu Ryan was. Not mad on the orange myself but overall its a good addition to that side of the city .
The Hilton building is coming along very nicely and as I suspected it looks very well coming over Sarsfields Bridge towards the Ennis Road. If only the same could be said for that hideous Dunnes building by Liddy Street, which has now become Dunnes Home.@Tuborg wrote:
Also i see the Roxboro shopping centre is set to get a (modest) makeover!
Badly needed but i think the hotel complex with Aldi/Subway/Fine Wines etc is starting to drive things a bit in that part of town. Its very close to all the retail parks and not far from the Parkway or the Crescent so id say they have to do something to fill the empty space. Its a dump as it stands but on a sizeable plot with lots of passing traffic.The Warehouses at the traffic lights were also sold recently so it could be interesting what transpires there. Its on one of the main routes into the city now. Since they took away the wall around the LEDP/Chorus its starting to look a bit better as well. Has the issue with the halting site been resolved does anyone know? There is talk of more development across from the hotel and where Roxboro pool was, but I think there was also an issue with that football pitch as well.
interesting read! Seems a bit like it was a done deal anyway. Realistically its a very dead part of town that needs the work, so in that way it was inevitable in some form or other. Good to see the facade retention has now to be incorporated in the building itself rather than a building behind the facade. There’s quite a few conditions attached. Interesting to read the views on the entrances and bridge use of glass and steel.Curious to see how that turns out. I think a lot of peoples concerns are based around the lack of visual plans for the thing apart from a few dodgy sketches of the main Ellen St entrance.
definitely a building with a chequered past and would have been nice to see it restored. The result isn’t the most awe inspiring thing but it does look a hell of a lot better than the Henry Cecil. ITs mad to see the original picture versus whats all along there now. Such a big difference. New crane on Henry street now as well. With the Opera Centre starting soon its all go in the city centre which is a good thing imo. the pedestrianisation of BedfordRow and Thomas Street is starting to look very well too imo.
I pass the site every morning and evening and there is definitely plenty work going on there. As far as I know the site needs a lot of landfill to bring it up to the correct height and this is taking time. The planning permission was sorted as far as I know…could be wrong.. (but they did have to reduce the overall area iirc.
That whole piece in the Post re the Opera Centre screams waffle to me. usual high quality Limerick Post journalism…ie rubbish. They said the South Court was closing down a few weeks ago…and had to apologise and retract the staement. One of the busier hotels in town..quality journalism:D
Sounds like someone is trying to freak people out to push the application through..CologneMike wrote:There’s Waterford crystal, Tipperary crystal even Galway crystal but I never heard of Limerick crystal?Ha ha. No don’t think there was ever Limerick Crystal. Can’t remember the name but it was to be made in that mill and sold in Bunratty. Can;t remember the exact details but i’ll find out from the man in the know.
