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Yes, this is one of those cases that spring to mind just when you think that planning is getting better in the city. What a mess. why not just demolish the temple and build a proper street frontage. Or if you really wanted to have it both ways remove the temple and relocate in a park as a feature, or on a street as a feature..
I certainly dont want to come across as hostile to you Fennetec, I appreciate you raising this intriguingly, murky matter in the first place, but you are seeking advice (my words ) if not solicting a service (your words). My comment was just simply that you should expect thinsg to go a little off your agenda when you turn to an internet forum (no matter how respected or authoritative :p )
First of, I am not involved in Architecture and have no such qualifications. I need your help please.
The design I am trying to create – or want you to create – must include the following:
No sharp edges if someone walks into it.
Preferably stainless steel.
Small, it only needs to house a phone and not a shower.
Must compliment existing street furniture.
Base and central pillar (I propose) must be round so as debris and paper will not collect around it.I will install the unit I have made (with permission from Mr. Killian Skay) this Tuesday north of the spire. If any of you guys wander by would really appreciate your criticism and assistance. Working together we can get it right or near enough, imposing some of the existing monstrocities on this new street with their Bronx style advertising is not the way forward.
These are both from your post, with my emphasis. I dont usually like to get pedantic put you seem to be suggesting that I have somehow misrerpresented you.
No hard feelings. 😉 I can imagine just what a nightmare you have been dealing with. A similar situation was mentioned in relation to Bus Eireanns attitude to prospective competitors in another post. And we are all aware of the attitude of utilities with regard to undertaking roadworks which only resolved itself (or did it) when legislation was passed in the Dail. But such is the semistate world we live in…albeit privatised.
I applaud your civic sense in trying to do things by the book and your efforts to agree a standard design are also worthwhile. My comments regarding the placing of phone booths on the street still stand.
Stephen
My impression of meeting Killian Skay one time, when he lectured our group in college, was that he was particularly uninterested in hearing any differing opinions on the O’Connell Street project.
Interesting to hear Eircoms disregard for planning regulations… I would have imagined that the installation of new kiosks required planning permission.
Yeah, not a man of much taste is our Bertie. Still at least we wont have to pay for Charvet shirts. In fairness to the cabinet table, the original does not look very suitable for those terminals.
Cullen backs idea of Haughey tunnel
Olivia Kelly and Liam ReidMinister for Transport Martin Cullen has said he would have “no problem” with the Dublin Port Tunnel being named in honour of Charles Haughey.
Two Fianna Fáil councillors, Tom Brabazon of Dublin City Council and Michael Kennedy of Fingal County Council, have called for the tunnel to be named the Charles Haughey Tunnel when it opens this year.
Mr Cullen said it was common, both in Ireland and internationally, to name major infrastructural projects after national leaders. “Many big projects, across the world as well as in Ireland, are named after people. I would have no problem with the tunnel being named after Mr Haughey.”
However, Mr Cullen said the naming of the tunnel was a matter for Dublin City Council.
Mr Brabazon said he would back any motion put before councillors to name the tunnel after Mr Haughey, although he was not optimistic councillors outside his party would support it.
However, Dublin City Council said yesterday that councillors do not have the right to decide on a name for the tunnel.
A spokeswoman for the port tunnel project said it was standard practice on the European road network to name tunnels after the regions they were in, and at present there were no plans to change the name of the tunnel.
She said while the naming of bridges in Dublin was a matter for city councillors, the naming of any tunnels in the city was a matter for the executive management of Dublin City Council.
However she added that the council management would consider any suggestions made through resolution by councillors.
A spokeswoman for Fingal County Council said the local authority had “absolutely no involvement” in the naming of the tunnel because it was outside its local authority area.
© The Irish Times
The revisionism goes on unabated. After Sean Haughey’s “Daddy was a patriot true and true with the needs of the country foremost in his mind (- so much so that he wouldn’t pay his taxes)” speech, we have this. I can see the logic though: both promised a lot more than they delivered, both cost the country a small fortune, both made a tidy profit for certain interested parties in the country….
I have to say Fennetec that you seem a little intolerant to debate on this subject. This is not how the boards work. So many people see these boards as a free source of professional advice. However the purpose is to debate and discuss issues of architectural or planning interest and if you put it about that you are introducting an element onto O’C St, we will all legitimately offer our two cents worth. This can mean discussing the merits of even having phone kiosks on the street, where they should be placed, etc
There is the 2362rd post on this OConnell Street board and the pages are full of interesting comments from amny people (not just the 3 or 4 who write to the Herald 🙁 – are there any of those). If you dont want to enter into the spirit of the boards then go somewhere else. Hire a bloody architect and pay the going rate for your advice! I am sure you are a busy man and dont want to get bogged down posting put you have to understand that people arent just hear to help you out.
Personally from the little you offer by way of description, I think the phone booths you propose sound okay. I’ll certainly look out for them, though I have a mobile. I still stand by my point that the public phone booth is an increasinly redundnat piece of street furniture and is therefore better suited to being an element of the other pieces of street furniture proposed, ie the kiosks. These are not bus shelters as you suggest but are meant to be shops, cafes and public facilities…the perfect spots for phones I would have thought.
I’ll be interested to see your new design but I sincerely hope that DCC do not allow telecom companies to overdose with their kiosk. True some are needed….though I think they are becoming redundant due to mobile phone usage. I would prefere to see the phones, just like bike stands relegated to side streets. Or why not integrate the phones with the kiosks taht are planned!
I’ve heard a prominent legal bod suggest that the Bill will be struck down anyhow as unconstitutional
This family day out was barely advertised at all; not even anyone here with an interest in the street knew anything of it! Hardly befitting the completion of such a major project in the city – the only possible indication being the much needed painting of the GPO’s bollards taking place last week in time for the occasion.
Its a shame that the DCC didnt make more of this, especially given the length of time the street has been a building site. The website also remains to be updated…still taking about Phase II works beginning in April…. a revamp of the page and some photos of the new street would be welcome! Perhaps you could pass on some of yours Graham!
Spotted this in today’s paper
Call for improved footpath safety
Ali BrackenA number of safety measures to protect pedestrians at a dangerous junction on O’Connell Street, Dublin, near the Spire, have been recommended by a jury at an inquest.
Maree Buckland (60), Warwickshire, England, originally from Ireland, was killed in 2005 when she was hit by a double-decker bus while crossing the road over to the Spire on O’Connell Street just off North Earl Street.
The inquest heard that the stretch of road where Ms Buckland and her friend Jagdish Mangat had crossed was paved similarly to the footpath and could lead to confusion that this part of the street was pedestrianised.
Ms Buckland sustained fatal head injuries following the collision on September 15th, 2005, and was taken to St James’s Hospital in Dublin. She died eight days later.
The jury returned a verdict of accidental death and recommended the crossing be re-evaluated by Dublin City Council with improved sign-posting and clearer road-markings.
© The Irish Times
Its is a tragedy this woman dies but I still stand by the point that it is up to people to pay more attention when crossing the street here. It is not the fault of the paving…or lack of signage (there is a forest of signal lights here)…or lack of barriers/bollards.
I for one have never really understood the near obsession with some posters over the year to having skyscrapers in the city. I am all for higher buildings. I think the city should easily be accommodating 6-8 stories. I think the challange should be how we can increase the height of streetscapes while still retaining the character of the city (something that many of the penis-envy buildings proposed over the years have failed to do)Height for height sake is a shallow argument, what we should be doing is ensuring that the quality of design of new buidings is improved. If this means a tall building then why not. I agree that the scheme in Thomas St is ideally suited to Docklands the biggest criticism of which, as we all know, is its lack of variety of heights.
Its interesting to hear these posts that we should wait until next week to tear Charlie to shreds LOL. Whatever for? Why shouldn’t we be able to pass comment on someone who, for good or for bad, has had such a significant influence on the country in the last 40 years. I am personally appalled by his legacy to the political system and the planning system, although I do feel he deserves some kudos for the significant contribution he made some key projects in the 80s such as IMMA, Dublin Castle and Temple Bar. I think the ambigious relationship most people will have towards the man will be his most defining characteristic.
What about the art deco factory on East Wall Road that was demolished on a bank holiday. Its turned out not to have had any protected status. Cant remember the name of it…made candles or paper or something,
You seem to be critical of this publicrealm…. but surely isnt it good planning to develop a ‘scheme’ and the implement it, rather than simply consider developments which have been drawn up without any regard to how the final area should look. I would have though what you are refering to is the whole rationale for the planning sysrtem.
I’m pretty sure that An Taisce types never leave Dublin 6, let alone Ireland.
It seems the ‘An Taisce types’ have moved from their usual haunt of D4, possibly in advance of the planned highrises on the Jurys site!
Pleeeease enough of this rubbish, Andrew. Have a little bit more intelligence that simply resorting to the vacuous generalisations peddled about by every small town politican.
As to your point: there are no tall buildings surrounding the Eiffel Tour nor as far as I can remember Tour Montparnasse, although both have a consistent mass of high density buildings around them. In fact I would imagine Parisians would go crazy as a proposal to erect a 51 storey ‘landmark’ beside their landmark (albeit only the An Taisce members). Also has anyone yet asked the question who would want to live ion the 51st storey…especially in recently rebranded ‘family-friendly’ SOHO
Interestingly here in Hamburg, and in Copenhagen (couple of days there last week) no buildings over an agreed height are allowed so as to preserve both cities historic skylines. In Copenhagen its 6 stories max (a good height in a city I feel, after this things lose their human scale). Both cities have a skyline peppered with church spires (just like the Thomas St area). There are plenty of highrises that went up in the 60s and 70s but it seems to be accepted that these negatively impact the skyline.
Personally I never got the mad rush of some commentators to build highrise…regardless of their context or design value. (for another thread I know..) :rolleyes:
Havent seen the completed street in person yet but from the DCC traffic cameras I seems that the upper end has no cycle lanes, while of course the lower end has no cycle lanes between the bridge and Abbey Street and the odd inside lane (never used except by the utterly insane) between Abbey St and the Plaza. Plenty of places to part your bike though….preferably permanently (It always amazes me how many people seem to leave their bikes attached to stands/poles for weeks on end….don’t they use them?)
