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- January 15, 2008 at 7:40 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754709
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ParticipantCrescent Shopping Centre Planning Application
Limerick County Council
Development at this site of c. 2.77 hectares at St. Nessan’s Road and Dooradoyle Road, Dooradoyle, Limerick, County Limerick. The proposed development comprises replacement of the existing roundabout at the junction of St. Nessan’s Road and Dooradoyle Road with a new signalised cross road junction with; (a) An additional fourth arm providing access to the Crescent Shopping Centre, (b) An associated slip lane (northbound) on the west side of St. Nessan’s Road, (c) A new left-in only lane off St. Nessan’s Road to replace existing left-in only lane, (d) Associated reconfigured lane provision and layout on all linking arms of the new cross road junction, including new cycle paths, footpaths and pedestrian crossings, (e) 1 no. new bus stop on the Dooradoyle Road near existing Dooradoyle Mall entrance and minor realignment of 2 no. bus stops on St. Nessan’s Road (from location permitted under An Bord Pleanala Reference 13.ER2024, (f) Reconfiguration of internal vehicular circulation routes within the Crescent Shopping Centre including the removal of 165 no. car parking spaces and (g) Associated site development and landscape works. The new junction layout and all proposed works shall tie into the ongoing road improvements to the St. Nessan’s Road overbridge and the Limerick Southern Ring Road Phase (II) (permitted under An Bord Pleanala reference 13.ER2024)
St. Nessan’s Road & Dooradoyle Road
DooradoyleNo confirmation on the exact nature or location of the additional retail space but the new junction layout at St. Nessan’s Road/Dooradoyle road is an interesting one. Up until now, the responce to traffic problems in Limerick was to stick in yet another roundabout, its certainly no harm to see that mentality changing. I think a well signed signalised junction with dedicated turning lanes could work well at this location.
January 11, 2008 at 7:45 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754708Tuborg
ParticipantLimerick Private Hospital (Dock Road)
Meanwhile not far from the mid western regional hospital, work is continuing on another private hospital beside the blackberry business park on the dock road. According to their website,this 92 bed hospital should be operational by the Autumn of this year.

January 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754707Tuborg
ParticipantTheres no sign of the application on the County Council website, although it dosent appear to have been updated since January 4th.
Murray O’Laoire are the architects behind the project and according to their website it will feature:
- An Admissions / Assessment Unit comprising of six Treatment / Examination bays
- Six new Operating Theatres; a Critical Care department
- An Interventional Cardiology Unit comprising of two Intervention suites and full Recovery area
- A Treatment / Examination area including Echo, ECG, Stress Testing and Pulmonary Function areas
- Seven 25 bed in-patient wards providing a total complement of 175 in-patient beds
- An Ambulatory Surgery Unit
- An Endoscopy Suite
- A Physiotherapy department comprising of a small gym area together with six Treatment areas
- A Medical Oncology department comprising of ten Treatment cubicles set out in a large open planned bright space
- A Diagnostic Imaging department with CT, MRI, PET Scanning and Angiography facilities
- A Pharmacy
- A Consultants Suites comprising of 10 no. Consulting / Examination rooms

January 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754699Tuborg
ParticipantAn interesting but highly unlikely concept for O Connell Street!
Councillor keen for full pedestrianisation of the city’s main thoroughfare
By Petula Martyn
THE full pedestrianisation of O’Connell Street would bring more retailers and shoppers to the heart of Limerick, according to a City Councillor.
The city council originally planned to pedestrianise the city’s main thoroughfare from Sarsfield Street to Roches Street and Cllr Joe Leddin wants these plans to be fully implemented. He believes the scale of the works planned should not be reduced in size by the local authority.Limerick City Council revealed an ambitious €50m pedestrianisation plan for O’Connell Street in 2007 once the construction of a proposed orbital route around the city centre is complete.
A major change in the flow of traffic will be required in order for the plan to work. As a designated gateway city, Limerick is entitled to funding from the National Development Plans Gateway City initiative.
Cllr Leddin said: “I have fully supported from the beginning the pedestrianisation plans which were brought before the council and the benefits in terms of the visual attractiveness of the city centre are now clearly evident on Bedford Row and Thomas Street.
“People and families can now walk freely and safely around these pedestrianised areas without having to negotiate traffic,” he said.
“Traders on these streets have stated openly how their business has increased and more importantly these pedestrianised streets have brought new retailers and shops into the heart of the city,” he added.
The proposed inner orbital route will circle the city in a clockwise direction, from Mallow Street, Henry Street, Arthurs Quay, Charlottes Quay, Clare Street, Cathedral Place, Sexton Street, Parnell Street and back onto Mallow Street.
Cllr Leddin said this orbital route can adequately deal with the traffic implications of pedestrianising O’Connell Street.
The matter is due to be raised at the next roads SPC meeting on January 14.
January 7, 2008 at 11:16 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754698Tuborg
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
Have you heard anything more for the former Hanratty’s Hotel on Glenthworth Street? The planning application extends into the whole core of that block, including a building on Cecil Street on the other side.
Theres been some alterations to the original plan which simply involved the conversion of the hotel into offices. The developer is now seeking to demolish the hotel and replace it with a retail and office building. Further information was requested back in August but according to the council website, the developer hasnt yet responeded! It would be more appropriate imo if the building was restored to its original state, ie. exposing its original brickwork and replacing the plastic windows.
As you say, there is a fairly large site to the rear of the hotel, beyond the mews lane. This site would appear to have changed hands in the last couple of years. Back in 2003/4 ABP turned down an application for a multi storey car park:rolleyes: on the site which would have involved the demolition of an old quaker meeting house. Incidentally there are 2 fairly interesting features forming the entrances to this site from Cecil Street.

Hartigans Horse Respository NIAH

Red Cross, Art Deco gateway NIAH
January 6, 2008 at 9:59 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754695Tuborg
ParticipantYou went a building too far with your highlighter there CologneMike, the yellow building marks the boundary of the site.
I notice this is the 2nd attempt at a redevelopment of that area in the last couple of years. Back in 2004, permission was granted by Limerick City Council for a “transitional residential apartment building”, this was later appealed to An Bord Pleanala who subsequently overturned the decision, on the grounds that:
1. Catherine Street forms part of the 18th century extension to Limerick City known as Newtown Pery, which is an area of unique architectural character and of considerable heritage value to the city. Numbers 35 and 36 Catherine Street arelate Georgian houses of classical design, which form part of a small terrace of such, the rest of the terrace consisting of number 37 Catherine Street. It is considered that this terrace and these buildings are of architectural heritage significance sufficient to justify their retention and conservation. The proposed development would entail demolition of most of the historic fabric of thesebuildings, thereby destroying part of the architectural heritage of the city and seriously injuring the amenities of the area. Therefore, the proposed development would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.
2. Notwithstanding that the proposed use would be generally acceptable, it is considered, having regard to the scale of the proposed development and to the pattern of development in the vicinity, including the proximity of a number of protected structures, that the proposed development would be of excessive density and would, thereby, seriously injure the amenities of property in the vicinity.
If the last proposal was considered to be of excessive density, I wonder what they’d make of 6 storeys over basement, with 60,000 sq ft of retail/office space!:eek: Ideally this development should go ahead in some shape or form (prefferably with the full retention of 35,36,37) as this part of the city centre has effectively been bypassed in terms of investment in recent years. This could be the kick start it needs!
January 4, 2008 at 12:08 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754693Tuborg
ParticipantRTE news report on the 25th anniversary of Limerick Civic Trust, with a piece on the restoration of the Catherine Hayes house on Patrick Street. You’ll need real player to view the clip.

4 Patrick Street
January 2, 2008 at 11:36 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754692Tuborg
ParticipantTwo conflicting reports here on the exact nature of the works to be carried out on the opera centre site in the near future. Both however confirm what many of us had thought for quite a while, ie. that the developers have bought up a number of adjacent properties that had not formed part of the initial application. The most interesting inclusion is that of the old City hall, strangely only the facade of the building is listed on the record of protected structures!:confused:
Other properties likely to form part of the revised development are No.s 1,2,3 Patrick Street, immediately adjacent to the Catherine Hayes house and also the former fat zoe’s restaurant beside the town hall. It remains to be seen how these will be integrated into the shopping complex. I wonder is Pat Keogh being a tad optimistic in hoping for no further delays given the history of the project so far?
€250m development boost for city centre
By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent
LIMERICK city centre has received another boost with confirmation yesterday that work on the massive Opera Centre development is to get underway in the new year.
Belfast businessman Suneil Sharma is behind the €250 million project.The news came a day after it was announced that a €40m development is being planned for another location in the heart of the city.
The Opera Centre will cover a massive 400,000 square feet with frontage onto five streets which will include Rutland St, Patrick St, Ellen St, Michael St and Bank Place.
Pat Kearney, who heads Rooney Auctioneers, spent more than four years negotiating the purchase of properties with up to 40 landlords, owners and tenants.
Mr Kearney said: “This will be fantastic for the city and it will give Limerick a new national shopping focus.â€
The Opera Centre development will take more than two years to complete and will feature spectacular elevated walkways encased in glass, linking various shopping locations within its parameters.
More than 1,200 people will be employed full-time in the centre.
It has been named after a famous Limerick opera singer, Catherine Hayes, who was born in Patrick Street and who sang for Queen Victoria in Buckingham Palace.
It is planned to preserve her old home at No 4 Patrick Street as a museum in her honour.
Mr Keogh, of Regeneration Developments, who is overseeing the huge development, said it was now all systems go with all planning requirements satisfied.
These include surveys and conservation reports on houses in Patrick Street.
Demolition work to clear the main site will commence in January.
Mr Keogh said: “Some adjustments will likely be made to the original state of the art plans, because additional properties have come into the scheme. Some plans will be amended and we hope that this will not cause any delays. This will be a huge boost to the regeneration of the heart of the city.â€
A report on the revitalisation of the city centre published last week warned that the city centre was in urgent need of massive development of its retail sector.
The report, co-authored by the former president of the University of Limerick Dr Ed Walsh, stated that the city centre retail sector had, to an unprecedented scale, fallen behind the suburban shopping areas.
It called for an iconic development of the Arthur’s Quay Park area which is adjacent to where the Opera Centre stands.
Marks & Spencer considering move to €250m centre in Limerick
Marks & Spencer could be moving to more than one location in Limerick in two years time.
Rooney Auctioneers on O’Connell Street, Limerick, are currently in discussions with the British chain regarding acquiring an outlet in the €250m Opera Centre.
Auctioneer Pat Kearney said: “I think they may want a presence in both locations. They could have clothing in one store and food in the other.”
Jenny Mulholland, head of property planning for Ireland with Marks & Spencer, has confirmed their intentions to have a second outlet in Limerick and said having an outlet in the city centre “is definitely on our strategy”.
“We have always been very interested in having a centre in Limerick city, even if it is just a food outlet. The city is very vibrant and we are keen to be a part of the retail environment there as well. We’re looking at a number of locations in the city,” said Ms Mulholland.
Marks & Spencer have already confirmed their intentions to open a major outlet at the Crescent Shopping Centre in Raheen, Limerick, pending planning permission from Limerick County Council.
The flagship store in Raheen, which will be the biggest in the west of the country, will include a wide range of fashion, home and furniture products, a food hall, café and a deli bar.
Mr Kearney confirmed that Brown Thomas have also been approached about moving from their store on O’Connell Street to the Opera Centre, but said “nothing positive has happened on that front yet”.
Despite a number of media reports stating that work is to begin on the massive retail centre in January, Pat Keogh, who is involved in the development of the Opera Centre, has dismissed these suggestions.
Rather, conservation work will be carried out on four Georgian buildings on Rutland Street, which An Bord Pleanála ruled to conserve.Mr Keogh said as a number of other buildings have come into their possession since the application was granted, they will be going back to City Hall with further amendments to their application.
One such building is the offices of the Limerick Post, which is a protected structure.
Mr Keogh said the full plans for the future of the Opera Centre will be tied down in the New Year, and said plans to include The Granary building on Michael Street into their development is “not certain and not conclusive”.
Dick Tobin, senior planner with Limerick City Council, said they have received compliances in relation to the planning permission that was granted by An Bord Pleanála earlier this year.
However, he said he has not been made aware of any new plans to alter the application, to include The Granary, which houses the nightclub, Trinity Rooms, the City Library and City Enterprise Board, among other offices.
“I haven’t heard anything formally yet. As tenants we would have to be informed even before the planners would be informed,” said Mr Tobin.
When built, the Opera Centre will be the largest commercial development in the Mid-West and is expected to create in excess of 1,000 jobs.
Belfast businessman Suneil Sharma sold on his interests in the Opera Centre to a consortium of investors this May for an undisclosed sum.
Kerry property tycoon Jerry O’Reilly has been confirmed as one of the three new investors.
Mr O’Reilly also owns The Granary building in Limerick, which is a protected structure.
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Old City Hall Rutland Street LimerickDecember 31, 2007 at 5:43 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754691Tuborg
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
If auctioneer Pat Kearney can convince the directors of Brown Thomas in Dublin to move to the Opera Centre, then this would definitely unlock the city’s premier commercial site for re-development. Ideally such a re-development opportunity should extend as far back as Little Catherine Street!
This would indeed be a fantastic opportunity to finally revitalise a significant city centre block. The site on which the Brown Thomas store stands is essentially the very heart of the city and the old Todds building in particular was considered something of a landmark in Limerick, not something which could be said about its replacement. There would be no tears shed over the loss of the williamscourt mall either, yet another building that contributes absolutely nothing to the streetscape.
It has been speculated that Brown Thomas are reluctant to leave their current location so this whole saga could be nothing more than just wishful thinking on behalf of the opera centre letting agents! Maybe Brown Thomas might consider relocating while redevelopment takes place before moving back to a larger, modern premises!
December 22, 2007 at 6:09 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754683Tuborg
ParticipantClancy Strand Development
Permission is sought for the demolition of Strandville, Roseville and Curragour House, ancillary sheds and structures, at Clancy Strand, Limerick and permission to construct 49 no. apartments (14-3 bed, 34-2 bed and 1-1 bed) in a five storey building with 1.5 floors of basement carparking, site entrance, drainage, landscaping and ancillary works
Clancy Strand
LimerickDecision: Granted😡
I think this decision demonstrates once and for all, that the Limerick City council planning department really are a pack of amateurs. I cant see for the life of me, how they passed this! The refurbishment work on clancy strand itself looks excellent but their going to spoil it all now with another cheap cladded box. From what I can see there is no change to the original plans and im pretty sure that jacksons turret is also as Roseville. Unfortunately there is no access to the list of conditions on the web page so its unclear if Jacksons turret is to be retained or not. Whatever happens, its a given that this is heading to An Bord Pleanala. We’ll see what they make of it!
December 22, 2007 at 5:35 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754682Tuborg
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
Third time lucky!
Limerick 37 to return to the Market’s Field in the near future? 😎
Or maybe not!
Radical plan for 10,000 seat stadium in Cals Park
THE Limerick Leader has learned that talks are at a “crucial and sensitive” stage in securing a state of the art indoor sports and events stadium which could hold over 10,000 people.
The Hyde Road site has been earmarked as the venue for the massive development, which could be home to Limerick soccer and also possibly be used for international concerts and conferences.A number of interested parties, including Limerick City Council, the FAI, the Limerick Regeneration Board and Limerick District Management Committee are believed to be involved in talks regarding the possibility of building the facility.
The chief executive of the Limerick Regeneration Agencies, Brendan Kenny, confirmed that Regeneration officials were involved in the talks and that proposals for Caledonian Park would be included in the Regeneration Vision Document, which is released in January.
“We would very much love to have a state of the art sporting facility in the area,” said Mr Kenny.Mr Kenny could not confirm the size of the stadium being discussed but said that the mooted capacity figure of 10,500 wasn’t faroff the mark.
The Limerick Leader was this week shown a document which showed how far the secret negotiations have come along.The document published by the Limerick Football Partnership, which consists of all schoolboys, ladies and junior and senior teams in Limerick, details the group’s infrastructure requirements.
Cllr Jim Long, who is a representative for the area in which the stadium may be built, said that City Council is in negotiations to purchase ground owned by CIE next to the council-owned Guinness site on Carey’s road, which also borders on the Caledonian Park site.
“It’s my understanding that talks are at a crucial and sensitive stage between City Council, the FAI, the Regeneration Boards, CIE, the LDMC and representatives from the Limerick senior soccer scene,” said Cllr Long.
The article is a bit short on detail, although the notion that an indoor arena could become “a home” for Limerick soccer is a bit ridiculous. Im not sure how big this proposed site is but if the city council are getting involved, why not go the whole hog and finally develop a proper stadium that senior soccer in the city so badly needs and deserves! Im not sure about the markets field, it looks like that site will more than likely be sold to the highest bidder.
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ParticipantWell, the planning application for the new stand (or a 1,500 covered spectator area as the LDMC are calling it) only went in during the past week so it’ll be some time yet before its up and running, subject to planning permission of course. All dosent seem well at Limerick 37 though, according to the local prress an emergency board meeting is scheduled for this weekend, apparently the clubs finances arent too healthy and its not guaranteed that the club will get a licence for next season! It all sounds frustratingly familiar!:(
December 14, 2007 at 10:15 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754657Tuborg
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
Public not yet privy to future iconic structures report
Massive glass globe proposed for Limerick

An artist’s impression of the proposed landmark globe
By Anne Sheridan
PROPERTY developer Pat O’Sullivan is one of five people whose dramatic proposal for an iconic development in the city has been shortlisted in a major new report, which was launched this Wednesday.
Other plans to build a discovery science centre in the city, and an Irish diaspora centre are currently under wraps, but Mr O’Sullivan has disclosed his €150m plan is to build a towering 14 storey high globe near the River Shannon.The aim, he said, is to “put Limerick on the map as the world’s leading centre for international language and cultural study.”
Mr O’Sullivan told the Limerick Leader that the rotating steel and glass globe will form an international centre for language study and will consist of interlinking villages, representing different parts of the world
All we need now are the other 8 planets in the solar system and we’re onto a winner!:)
December 11, 2007 at 4:42 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754649Tuborg
ParticipantOPW seeks two-acre site for new garda HQ in city
Limerick Leader 11 December 2007
THE Office of Public Works is looking for a two-acre site in the city centre for the development of a new Garda headquarters for Limerick.
Fianna Fail’s Deputy Peter Power has confirmed that the OPW is seeking expressions of interest before January 18 for a site within a three-quarter mile radius of Henry Street Garda Station.The “unique policing problems affecting Limerick” meant that Henry Street was long since outdated and Deputy Power said he had been lobbying for a larger and more modern building for what was one of the busiest beats in the country.
Chairman of the joint policing committee, Cllr Kevin Kiely, has also complained that there is nowhere to fit all the extra gardai being sent to Limerick and that members of the force were “practically sitting on top of each other” at an overcrowded Henry Street.
The offices occupied by immigration gardai and the drugs squad are seen as particularly crammed.
“Central to this strategy is the rolling out of a new Divisional Garda Headquarters. The new headquarters will be state of the art with the best of facilities and technology needed in the modern day fight against crime. All in all, this announcement is excellent news for Limerick.,” Deputy Power concluded.
December 9, 2007 at 7:03 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754648Tuborg
ParticipantCity to capitalise on its rich heritage
VERY definite moves are afoot to restore, revitalise and include Limerick city’s distinctive Georgian houses and buildings in the new City Strategy Project.
With the spotlight currently trained on the various layers of commercial and residential development in the city, backstage, so to speak, a blueprint to regenerate Limerick’s Georgian core is being prepared.
In a recent presentation in City Hall, the Hunt Museum (formerly the Custom House), built in 1769, was held up as a likely catalyst for a Georgian revival in the Newtown Pery area and the highly successful Georgian restoration of Grainger, Newcastle upon Tyne, England, which attracted £40million of public funding that in turn attracted a further 160million of private investment and which is now being used as the European template, was presented as an example that Limerick could learn from.
The establishment of a Task Force and the sending of a deputation to explore the Grainger, Newcastle upon Tyne initiative is being considered.
City Hall, head of finance, John Field, has been advised by Donough Cahill, director of the Irish Georgian Society, that, in contrast to the continuing regeneration of the city’s riverside and other city centre streets, the continued neglect of Newtown Pery should be addressed.
“The Irish Georgian Society considers the City Centre Strategy a once in a lifetime opportunity to reverse this trend and to promote the regeneration of Newtown Pery and to achieve this aim the council should seek to use available legislative and fiscal resources and learn from both national and international examples of urban heritage regeneration†advises Mr Cahill.
Some months ago, a seminar, attended by the Irish Georgian Society, was held in City Hall, with various planners, architects and business people contributing.
Among the guest speakers were, Desmond Fitzgerald, the Knight of Glin and president of the Irish Georgian Society, and David Lee, chairman, Limerick Chapter of the Irish Georgian Society.
Acknowledged by the Irish Georgian Society as “one of Ireland’s outstanding historic cities,†the regeneration of Limerick’s Georgian area in Newtown Pery, will, according to the Irish Georgian Society, “require a big vision that aims to form the basis of applications to Government for major funding and other taxation incentives and for this vision to be a success, it will need wide support and commitment from both the city council and from all relevant stakeholdersâ€.
Newton Pery, which was devised by the Italian architect, Davis Ducart, was laid out in the 1760s as a new city quarter for Limerick and was subdivided and leased to developers who built up their plots during the late 18th and early 19th centuries.
Landmarks included The Crescent and Pery Square and such private buildings as the Custom House and the Pery Square Tontines. However, by the mid 19th century, Newtown Pery began a period of economic decline and physical deterioration which has left its elegant houses and streetscapes marred by over a century of inadequate upkeep, subdivided houses, PVC windows, rusted and buckling railings and dangling overhead wirescapes.
Pointing out that these factors restrict the competitiveness of businesses located in the area and take from its desirability as a place to live, Mr Cahill said that as a result, such an urban environment effectively deters investment.
An in-depth assessment of tax driven initiatives that could be availed of was produced by Goodbody Economic consultants for the Department of Finance.
City Hall has been advised by the Irish Georgian Society that it should place an additional emphasis on regenerating the Georgian area.
Concluded Mr Cahill:â€This could be achieved by identifying in the City Centre Strategy additional resources, both financial and technical to facilitate the conservation, restoration and reuse of protected structures.
“As Newtown Pery’s Georgian buildings and streetscapes comprise one of the city’s most defining assets, the use of this area as a catalyst for urban regeneration is compelling, and if the council were to prioritise in its City Centre Strategy a regeneration of Newtown Pery, it would have the power of shaping Limerick’s image as a dynamic place with the maturity to recognise its rich heritage and such a regeneration would act as an example for other towns and cities in Ireland, including Dublinâ€.
December 9, 2007 at 6:51 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754647Tuborg
ParticipantGrowing concern among councillors over plans for Limerick city centre
Several city councillors have raised concerns about radical development plans set out in the draft City Centre Strategy at a meeting of the Economic Policy Development and Future Planning Strategic Planning Committee this week.
Cllr Kathleen Leddin expressed concerns that large scale developments could take over Special Areas of Conservation (SACs) while Councillor Diarmuid Scully said that the plan should be more environmentally sustainable.
Cllr Leddin said that she does not agree with certain parts of the extensive, long term strategy, which will cover six different zones of the city and proposes the pedestrianisation of O’Connell Street among other ambitious plans.
She made reference to the “site adjacent to Shannon Bridge, Condell Road†in the 58 page document which states that the site is zoned as “general purpose†i.e. open to development but is also “designated as a candidate Special Area of Conservation (pcSAC)â€.
The document goes on to say that this “pcSAC zoning is currently being appealed†by the council and the site “offers the potential for a landmark building with primarily a residential use that complements the adjacent wetlands areaâ€. Cllr Leddin claimed that she was not aware of this appeal and emphasised that SACs must be preserved and if any development went ahead it was a “disgraceâ€. “Why is this happening? If this opens the gates to developers, they will come in and develop on that side of the river which is valuable wetland and an SAC. I don’t know how it was zoned as general purpose.â€
She also asked Director of Planning John Field for more details on what works would be carried out on the city’s historic Potato Market and said she hoped that the LPYMA Grounds in her ward were not going to be earmarked for development aside from upgrading current facilities. She also questioned if the open space of Arthur’s Quay would be used for buildings. “I can’t see why we’re doing these things to facilitate developers,†she said, “We have to guard our open spaces because once they’re gone, they’re gone.”
Mr Field said that a brief was being prepared to “examine ways to improve the use of the LYMPA Grounds†and that development of the general Arthur’s Quay area, including submissions by landowner’s next to the park, was being considered.
He said that the land near Shannon Bridge was only a small portion and did not “run all the way along the riverâ€.
He added that the appeal has already been lodged and that zoning was a matter for city council to consider—a matter which Cllr Leddin vowed to bring up at a future council meeting.Meanwhile, Cllr Diarmuid Scully said that city centre buildings should be made more energy sustainable similar to a successful project in Dundalk.
“Plans for that give us the ability to confer on us a competitive advantage over other cities that don’t have such a policy.
“Also, there is around €50 billion in EU funding available. In Dundalk, they introduced renewable street lighting and improved the energy efficiency of their secondary school and hospital. It would be good if we could do these kinds of positive, small scale things.â€
An Taisce criticises ‘living city’ proposal
PLANS by EML architects to transform Limerick “into a 24-hour living city” by 2020 have been slammed by An Taisce as “pie in the sky” and lacking in solid foundations.
Dan Sullivan, the chair of the Limerick association of An Taisce, said he regarded EML’s recent briefings as nothing more than “planning by press release”, and criticised EML for not producing business costings to back up their plans.“Instead, we get lots of pictures of possibilities with no basis of any sort of reality. We need a bit more realism and a bit less pie in the sky,” said Mr Sullivan.
When contacted by the Limerick Leader, Hugh Elliott, managing director of EML architects, said he was “somewhat taken aback at the negativity behind An Taisce’s comments.
“Our vision is simply that, our vision,” said Mr Elliott, one of the co-founders of the architectural practice, which has secured numerous awards since it was established in 1983.
Since this July, EML have organised two briefings for professionals in the city where they presented their challenging blueprint, Opportunities for Urban Development, Where to Next?
Under their ambitious plans, 30-storey high buildings–towering over the 15-storey Riverpoint building–along the quays were also envisaged. Most recently, they mooted a €350m tram system in Limerick city and called for the city’s population to increase to at least 150,000 by 2020.
However, Mr Sullivan said he wished to remind the public that EML architects were also responsible for the design of Cruise’s Street, which the architects now wished to see demolished.
“We have no need to import more such lame ideas,” he said.”Lots and lots of pretty drawings are being produced, but we’re seeing very little detail to back up the business cases for how all these various developments can live together.”
However, Mr Elliott said it would be interesting to hear An Taisce’s vision for Limerick city.
“A city or enterprise without a vision is doomed to failure, or at best mediocrity. Cities of comparable size all over Europe have developed models for achieving their vision, why can’t Limerick?” he asked.
EML plans to hold another business briefing in the new year. Since EML began discussing the city’s future numerous other bodies have been prompted to put forth their own vision for Limerick, including Shanahan O’Connor architects, who have outlined an alternative proposal for the redevelopment of Arthur’s Quay.
Is this the same Dan Sullivan of Archiseek fame?:eek:, strong words indeed! Are you going to respond to Hugh Elliotts invitation to enlighten him on An Taisce’s “vision” for the city?:D
December 9, 2007 at 6:23 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754646Tuborg
ParticipantSome recent news articles on current proposals for the city.
Limerick cements its Riverside City status
Limerick’s reputation as the ‘Shannonside’ city will soon be cemented as ambitious plans for a complete revamp of the riverfront were unveiled at City Hall.
The multi-million euro plans—which include a river boardwalk, extended walkway and upgraded facilities—will begin with extensive work on Clancy and O’Callaghan Strands and the area between the Shannon and Sarsfield Bridges. Senior Engineer Vincent Murray presented the detailed ‘Riverside Improvement Strategy’ and its aim of “ a high quality waterfront environment for public use†to Monday’s Environmental Special Policy Committee meeting.
Work has already begun on the “prime location†of Clancy’s Strand and this will involve upgraded footpaths, burying electric cables and removing poles, new street furniture and lights, better river access points and better signage. Trees will be added and it is hoped that the development of Jackson’s Turret will also allow for the widening of footpaths.
It is also proposed to build a wooden boardwalk “fitted to the wall itself†and looking over the river by the Treaty Stone. This proposal is awaiting approval. The plans also take in the new Curragower Falls Park—situated on an outcrop on the strand—which includes new trees, a walkway and seating.
Most of the €2.4 million worth of work will be covered by Fáilte Ireland and Shannon Development.
Mr Murray praised O’Callaghan Strand for its “fantastic views of bridges and the river†but he admitted it had been “neglected†and “under utilisedâ€.
The area will be transformed into a “riverside promenade†very similar to the Clancy Strand project but 60% of parking spaces will be maintained.
Work on the €2.5 million uprading will begin in January and will currently receive “some grant aid†and this is expected to increase.
Transformation plans for the entire riverside section beside Bishop’s Quay, Howley’s Quay and Harvey’s Quay are at the public consultation stage with decision expected in January.
It is hoped that construction will begin next autumn.
Mr Murray said that it is one of the key river access points in the city and was “heavily trafficked†with “out-dated†street furniture and lighting.
Works would “improve and widen footpathsâ€, plant trees and upgrade lighting, signage and furniture and the general “public realmâ€. A new traffic system will be designed and traffic may be banned during peak hours. According to the overall plan, Honan’s and Arthur’s Quay, the Customs House. Merchant’s Quay and as far up as Barrington’s Pier will also be rejuvenated with new fixtures, along with the Shannon and Thomond Bridges.
Information signs on historical landmarks and river flora and fauna will also be added at strategic points along the walkway.
Several councillors present praised the plan and predicted many benefits of the changes. Cllr Joe Leddin said that the city’s greatest asset had been “neglected and ignored†as well as “abused. “The city has seen a lot of development and changes such as the pedestrianisation and buildings like Riverpoint. But I think it would be great if people coming into the city saw magnificent walkways connecting all the bridges and saw the visual attractiveness of it. I think these plans will really enhance the city and the immediate river environment,†Cllr Leddin added.
Limerick Independent 5 December 2007
Interesting that the proposed development at Jacksons turret is mentioned here, a decision on the controversial plans for a luxury apartment block:rolleyes: is due by January 8th
December 1, 2007 at 10:13 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754634Tuborg
ParticipantThe expected planning application for the further development of the Milk Market was submitted by the Limerick market trustees in the past week!
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Description; The erection of a tensile structure in the central courtyard, development of a mezzanine floor within the courtyard incorporating a restaurant at upper level and permanent stall units at ground level, the construction of restaurant kitchen and associated service areas within the market house and adjacent units, the conversion of existing office unit in the market building into a permanent stall unit and the development of two stall units and bin store area on the public footpath Mungret Court adjacent to the Market Buildings. The Milk Market is a protected structure (RPS 049)
Address; Milk Market Mungret Street Limerick
November 24, 2007 at 5:20 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754624Tuborg
Participant@Bock the Robber wrote:
Just take one look at the standard of construction there.
@CologneMike wrote:
The state of the footpath at the entrance of the building-site was littered with burst bags of plaster-gypsum was an absolute disgrace. Residents of the Watergate Flats had to walk through this slippy white muck.
Oh dear, our old friend Ger Madden seems to be in the firing line again! He does seem to have quite an interest in this area, this is his third attempt at a development in the vicinity. Althought the first got crucified in the planning office and it appears he just lost interest in the other one (the derelict shell), hopefully the city council will pursue the developer for the costs of clearing that site.
A delve into the planning archives shows that Mr Madden is somewhat of a featherhead, there are 2 incompleted applications for his latest development and a further two for the abandoned shell. 4 incompleted applications in just 2 developments is a bit on the careless side I would say!:o I presume the building has been completed by now, or has it? Anyone got any up to date images of it?
CologneMike mentioned the poor construction practices in place and the general state of the footpaths in and around the site. I note then that the developer was clearly warned in advance about this in a condition as part of the grant of permission.
Prior to the commencement of development the applicant shall submit proposals to prevent the soiling of the public road during the construction phase of the proposed development.
With his previous record, its a wonder he got planning permission at all, he’s surely lost what little credibility he had left at this stage?
Full planning report here
What I find quite annoying about this part of the city is its piecemeal development, which has led to an incoherent planning mess. Many of the buildings here such as mungret court, tara cort and the watergate flats are all relatively new, yet they are ageing terribly and the whole area exudes an air of gloom and depression. I believe the draft city develpment plan or one of the recent reports has earmarked the area as suitable for the development of an urban village, with a mix of residential, retail, commercial and cultural developments. As it stands the city council have made a real balls of the regeneration attempt, the ideal solution would be to start over again.
November 17, 2007 at 12:21 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754612Tuborg
Participant@vkid wrote:
From todays IT Commercial property section..Also mentions the same rumour I heard earlier in the year that Brown Thomas was possibly to relocate to the Opera Centre and we will eventually see the back of that ugly building dominating O’Connell Street. Would be great if they do. Better image of the entrance to the Opera Centre at the corner of Ellen Street and Patrick Street which looks a lot better than the original one the Post and Leader had. Will see if I can scan in..it doesn’t seem to be online.
Full article hereThe promoters will obviously be hoping that Brown Thomas may fill one of those anchor units by moving down from its tired store on O’Connell Street.
I think everyone longs for the day when that monument to misery meets the wrecking ball, but I wont get my hopes up just yet! I wonder would Brown Thomas really consider moving into a shopping mall?, after all they like to consider themselves an exclusively high street department store, I believe all their stores are located on the principal retailing streets in each city! The O Connell Street location is unrivalled, its the building itself thats the achilles heel of the business. Even though it was only opened in 1963 and despite a good deal of investment over the last couple of years, its basically obselete at this stage. The layout is awkward and the whole operation seems to be hampered by a lack of space. I notice, Brown Thomas have recently spruced up the facades by giving them a nice coat of grey paint!:)
Theres been a lot of talk of Debenhams switching to the opera centre aswell, of course their current store could be facing demolition aswell as part of the plans for the Arthurs Quay area. Marks & spencer appear to have signed up for the parkway scheme although there are rumours that they’re planning a city centre store aswell. Whatever happens, there should be a bit of a scrap for the 2 anchor units. BTW has anyone come across any flooor plans for the opera centre?
Below;
Old Todds Department store, destroyed by fire in 1959.

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