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    The Park Canal project sounds fairly interesting. It’s a really nice walk out to UL from town especially where the canal rejoins the Shannon at Rhebogue? it’s complete wilderness, with not a buildng in sight – one of a number of great but overlooked wildlife corridors into the city along with the marshes in Corbally and around Barringtons Pier/ Northern Approach Road, so fingers crossed a decent job gets done. The last part of the plan doesn’t exactly inspire confidence though,”Phase 2 of the project cannot be fully defined at this time as it would involve substantial inputs from the private sector as development schemes are brought forward. ” especially given the fact that new housing estates can already be seen along the Dublin Road.

    The info on the pedestrianisation project came from a leaflet got from The Limerick co-ordination office on O’Connell St. about a year ago. No start date was mentioned, but it seems the opening of the Shannon Tunnel in 2009, is the most likely date.

    ShaneP
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    As for news on the Shannon rail link, the original article came from here –
    http://www.railnews.co.uk/displaynews.asp?ID=892

    There was another article, which seems to have disappeared off the interweb for now. I think it was put out by Beauxwalk Properties, who were responsible for redeveloping Shannon town centre – It gave fairly detailed info on how the link could be brought about; including proposals for stations at Park (canal)/ Corbally, Longpavement/ City North, Cratloe, Sixmilebridge, Shannon (2/3 stops), Clarecastle and Ennis – as far as I remember.

    http://www.westontrack.com/news36.htm
    West=On=Track – News
    Firm would invest euro16m in airport rail link
    The Irish Times (9th October 2003)
    by Gordon Deegan

    Plans to provide a commuter railway railway to Shannon airport yesterday secured a major breakthrough when a private company Beaux Walk Properties, said it was prepared to invest eurol6 million in the project. A report published yesterday by the Shannon Railway Company on the project concludes that the euro60 million commuter rail link between Shannon, Limerick and Ennis “is a viable commercial entity” through a public-private partnership.

    The proposal envisages a regular seven-day service between the three centres using the existing rail line between Limerick and Ennis together with a new six-mile spur to be constructed to Shannon Town Centre, Shannon Free Zone and Shannon Airport. The proposed schedule anticipates a train service to and from Shannon Airport every 20 minutes to Limerick and Ennis. The Shannon Railway Company is a consortium of investors led by Beaux Walk Properties, which is currently constructing a 150 million redevelopment of Shannon Town Centre,

    Yesterday , its managing director, Mr Barry Boland, said the proposed commuter rail link envisaged attracting 20 per cent of the estimated 230,000 weekly commuter car trips to use the new services. The report says there is a potential demand for 2.3 million passengers a year for the service in an area which has the highest single concentration of industrial employment outside the Dublin area. “Our assessment is that the service will generate sufficient profits within five years to render the project a viable commercial enterprise without any ongoing Government subvention,” he said.

    Mr. Boland said Shannon Rail Company was prepared to invest 37 million, provided the Government gives a tax break equivalent to the balance of euro23.5million. The funding proposal involves the euro23.5 million from the Government, investors’ equity of euro26.5 million and bank borrowings of euro10 million. The Government is also being asked to provide euro4 million per annum for the first five years of the project.

    The report says the costs of constructing the new six-mile spur to Shannon off the existing Limerick-Ennis line, along with upgrading parts of the current line, will come to euro41.8 million. Clare County Council in its recently adopted South-East Clare Economic Plan has prohibited development taking place within the corridor of the proposed rail link. Mr Boland said: “The proposed link is consistent with Government regional policy and will have a major impact on the development potential for the Limerick-Shannon gateway.” To move the project forward, Mr. Boland said the promoters were prepared to undertake detailed technical, financial and market research study at a cost of euro500,000. The company had sent a copy of the report to the Minister for Transport, Mr Brennan, and had asked the Department of Transport for a euro200,000 grant towards the cost of an agreed feasibility study.

    ShaneP
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    Here’s a bit on the LImerick PLUTS (Planning Land Use and Transportation Strategy) – from the Limerick Leader 22/12/01

    Expansion in city and towns strong
    By DEARBHLA LOOBY

    SMALLER family sizes in the mid-west region mean that the number of households will grow by about 50 per cent by 2026.

    This is one of the forecasts in the Limerick Planning, Land Use and Transportation Study presented to Limerick City Council by Malcolm Buchanan of Colin Buchanan and Partners, consultants at this week’s meeting.

    The report covers the city and a radius of abut 25 miles, including Newcastle West, Kilmallock, Foynes, Nenagh and Ennis.

    The study deals with the period from 1996 to 2026, and predicts also that the total population in the area will grow by between 47,000 and 58,000, to approximately 260,000 in the next 20 years.

    The present populations (incuding suburbs) of the larger centres are: Limerick 83,000; Ennis 18,000; Shannon 8,000; Nenagh 6,000; Newcastle West 4,000. These are all growing strongly, but some smaller villages are still declining.

    The report also estimates that the labour force will grow by 42 to 48 per cent.

    It pointed out that there are currently nearly 1,400 hectares of land zoned for residential development in the region.

    “This could accommodate over 30,000 new homes, which means that 90 per cent of the estimated increase in housing demand could be accommodated on existing residentially zoned land,” Mr Buchanan said.

    He said it was the consultants view that this land should be used for residential development. “It should as far as possible be focused within transport corridors. Good residential layouts with access for through bus services which can link the new settlements to shops, workplaces, schools, etc are in our view more important than exceptionally high densities in making the new developments sustainable.”

    The study found that the road network in the region has many weaknesses.

    “There are significant delays through town centres, especially Limerick. Roads are of poor quality, particularly away from the primary route network, and poor connections to some areas such as Foynes. There is poor maintenance of the roads and high accident rate. Many of these problems will tend to get worse as traffic increases,” Mr Buchanan said.

    He pointed out that a programme of road scheme for the area has already been assembled by the NRA, the three county councils, Limerick Corporation and their consultants.

    “This study, PLUTS, has therefore concentrated on looking beyond the construction of these committed and planned schemes, and has identified nearly 30 links in the road network where more capacity is needed by 2026. Within Limerick itself, further road widening or construction has to be considered in the light of the needs of the environment, pedestrians, cyclists, busses and freight deliveries. The opportunity exists to exploit the capacity released on the city centre network as a result of the Southern Ring Road and fourth river crossing,” he commented.

    He expressed concern that this released capacity could easily be eroded by the proposed crossing tolls, which could divert traffic back into the city centre. “We suggest that a city centre traffic management scheme could prevent this from occurring and also prevent toll revenue being eroded.”

    City manager Brendan Keating said a final presentation on the consultation findings in the study would be made in February.

    “The findings to date stem from detailed study and a consultation process. The study has been on display for some time and has attracted considerable interest. Views expressed by a number of people have been incorporated in the report,” he said.

    Knew I saw it mentioned somewhere before – got a 3/4 page mention in the current city development plan – google searches yielded various bits of it. Here’s a link to one part –

    http://www.limerickcdb.ie/images/strategy.pdf

    ShaneP
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    Any future discussion on the fabulousness or otherwise of Galway might prove more insightful on its own thread if anyone has a particular interest.

    Found this article recently on http://www.railnews.co.uk . A little off the point perhaps, but should be relevent to the future development of Limerick ;

    SHANNON AIRPORT RAIL LINK STUDY ORDERED
    Rail news & views | April 2005

    11 April 2005

    IRISH Railways — Iarnrod Eireann — has been instructed by Transport Minister Martin Cullen to carry out a feasibility study of a new link linking Shannon Airport with Limerick City.

    The proposed rail spur to Shannon Town and the airport would be 10 kilometres (six miles) long.

    The study will investigate a number of issues including cost, passenger numbers, the route, the location of stops and changes. The report is due to be published within six months.

    The Shannon Rail Partnership has carried out a number of studies in the past two years, which indicated that the rail link will be viable.

    Commenting on the study ordered b y the Transport Minister, a member of the Shannon Rail Partnership, Padraig MacCormaic, said: “We think there will be a successful and positive outcome from the study, especially with the airport growing and Ryanair and other airlines coming in, which will bring in thousands of people to the airport and they won’t all want to be hiring cars. If a rail link was in place they would be able to get to Limerick and Ennis quickly and conveniently.”

    PLUTS sounds vaguely familiar TP, think I may have come across it before.Will try an help but little more explanation might jog my memory.

    ShaneP
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    More from the promo –

    ShaneP
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    Those warhouses are fairly decent buildings, there’s a few of them in Limerick, but don’t ever remember seeing them anywhere else, at least not on such a large scale – do they exist anywhere else?

    Some promo stuff from the city council on pedestrianisation project –

    ShaneP
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    Here’s an image of the warehouse referred to earlier on (apologies for the picture quality). It’s from that Judith Hill book too.

    ShaneP
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    Well, Dave123 – you mentioned the terrace on Pery Sq – It has a fairly interesting history.

    It was the last georgian terrace to be built in Limerick in 1836. It was financed by means of a tontine, whereby each of the investors in the project received rent on their investment while they remained alive. As each member of the tontine died so too, their shares and the last person alive ended up owning the whole terrace. Seemingly this form of investment resulted in an untimely end for many people and so these types of companies were outlawed, although i’m not sure if Pery Sq gave rise to any such carry on.

    Also the terrace was meant to be part of a planned square around what is now the People’s Park – (I think it was for residents only, back in the day) however those six houses were never intended to be continued on, so it will be interesting to see how the new part of the hotel is integrated with the existing house – I think there is a vacant lot behind the house on Barrington St. If you look at the photo you can just about see that the entrances to the houses at either end of the terrace are to the side as opposed to being at the front and as well as that each of the end houses are set slightly forward. These gestures were apparently intended to give the whole scheme the appearance of a unified entity – like a large country house instead of 6 townhouses – so i read somewhere anyway.

    No. 2 Pery Sq. has been restored to something of its original form by the civic trust and is open to visitors if you’re interested. Here’s an image from a book called,”The Building of Limerick” by Judith Hill which is a fairly good introduction to the history of the city’s planning and architecture.

    Also the old county council buildings are the row of 5 or 7 converted georgian houses at the junction of O’Connell St and Mallow St, if that’s any help.

    ShaneP
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    Just saw a planning notice in the Leader for another hotel – at the corner of Pery Sq/ Barrington St – sounds like a small enough development involving the restoration of a Georgian house and a five storey addition to the rear. As for the development at Punches Cross – it was supposed to be a hotel with the original pub left intact, but it seems to have been put on hold for a while. There’s going to be a lot of hotels… and dunnes stores’ in Limerick when it’s all finished! Got this picture of Pery Sq from this website –

    ShaneP
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    And finally for now –

    ShaneP
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    County Hall, Dooradoyle –

    ShaneP
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    And some more –

    ShaneP
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    Don’t really know the area too well, and was only there at night, so apart from the view from the main road it’s difficult to know what the place is really like. Guess suburbia is inevitable in this age and if it happens well it’s usually better if it’s stuck on to an existing village rather than growing out of nothing. In the mean time here’s a few photos from my archive for anyone still unfamiliar with Limerick –

    ShaneP
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    Well that’s fantastic news – nothing was making sense until now, – the photomonatage, the timber cladding looking things etc. thanks for the clarification. I realise that the building’s presence could potentially benefit the park, but it would be reassuring to know that, that is by design rather than coincidence. It sure would be nice to get the views out of that penthouse. Is there going to be a mix of apartment types then? I hope it gets built soon because as it stands – well enough has been said on that!

    ShaneP
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    That’s what makes them all the more disappointing – i’d be tearing my hair out if I had any. Surely we could have expected so much better from that practice?

    ShaneP
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    Also Tuborg, What’s BTW stand for?

    ShaneP
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    Well. I still can’t believe you approve of that heap on Edward St., Dave123.

    If it lasts half as long as the Savoy did, i’d be surprised. It’s not only the fact that it looks cheap, which bothers me – the whole project appears to be the product of a lazyminded approach by architects, developer and planners. It is the epitomy of everything that’s wrong with new developments in Limerick today (as described by Ash1 a few weeks ago)

    As far back as 1991, a report was published on the success or otherwise of the first urban renewal schemes throughout the country – Murray O’laoire were involved in preparing that report, which included a section on the design of city centre apartment schemes. One of the many observations made was that new developments should have a variety of unit sizes to ensure a good social mix, as is the norm in the rest of Europe, so what do we end up with in Limerick, 14 years later – a block of 33 two bed apartments on Edward St and another one of c.135 two bed apartments on William St. – These lessons should be well learned at this stage as there are enough examples in this country and elsewhere of successful apartment schemes. It’s pretty disheartening to say the least.

    On a related point, is anyone aware of an apartment scheme in Ireland which includes a service lift and entrance (which allows for apartments to be renovated or upgraded without inconveniencing other residents or closing off roads and footpaths to accomodate cranes etc.)?

    As for Annacotty, it is good to see the place looking a bit more lively these days – the new bars etc have been hopping the couple of times i was out there, and the river makes a great backdrop to the village, long live Annacotty! – I guess Dunnes Stores will have to open a branch or two there soon though, given the rate at which they seem to be proliferating in Limerick. 3 new stores in as many years, can’t help but wonder are they trying to take over the world? There’s plenty of room in my hot press or perhaps under the sink if they’re stuck for sites and there’s easily enough room on the chimney for a spar, centra and vodaphone outlet if they want to make a bit of a shopping centre out of it!

    Is the demolition of the Savoy still in progress? Saw it during the first couple of days and it was fairly spectacular – the wrecking ball/ drill cut straight through the building ,the tv screens for the bowling alleys were hanging on by a thread, and you could see straight thru’ a section of the cinemas. Hope there’s a new cinema in town to replace it soon. Don’t think ther’s any risk of oversupply in in the hotel sector though Tuborg – seems a good no.of them are reporting 90% occupancy since all those Ryanair flights started out of Shannon. It was reported in the Post recently that there wasn’t a single room available in the city one weekend and if the convention centre gets built there’ll be capacity for plenty more. It’s the best idea to come about in years, a development that would suit Limerick perfectly. Did quite a bit of research on the subject for my thesis last year so will stick it up here soon – as it’s undergoing major reconstructive surgery at the moment, if any one’s interested.

    ShaneP
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    Irish Independent, Saturday, 13 August, 2005

    Three contenders line up to build indoor arena

    SUPERMACS owner Pat McDonagh faces competition over his dream to build a major indoor arena outside the capital.

    Two Munster-based businessmen – one in Cork and the other in the Limerick area – are understood to be putting together plans for the development of a major indoor arena for a variety of entertainment events.

    Both are understood to have completed feasibility studies on the project but have chosen separate locations, in Limerick and Cork, for their proposed arena.

    Galway-based Pat McDonagh proposed to locate a €100m development, including an 8,000-seat indoor arena, a hotel and restaurants in Athlone, Co Westmeath, but this ran into planning difficulties and he is now considering a number of other locations.

    He confirmed last night that he has looked at Galway, Limerick and “another midlands location” as alternatives.

    Limerick appears to be a likely location, given the proximity of Shannon Airport, with its huge volume of European low-fares traffic, and the city’s improving infrastructure.

    Limerick Mayor Diarmuid Scully believes the city should do all in its power to ensure it does not miss the opportunity to secure the development.

    “We must put our best foot forward, roll out the red carpet to these people to make sure that we do not lose out.

    “All you have to do is look at what the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham did for what was up to then a pretty much run-down city centre.

    “It revitalised the whole city centre, turning it into one of the most vibrant in Europe,” Mr Scully said.

    The mayor predicted that a site on the outskirts of Limerick would be the likely location, although he did not rule out the possibility of it being located on the docklands.

    “One way or the other, it will probably take both the city council and county council working together on this, but that would not be a problem,” Mr Scully said.

    Eugene Hogan

    ShaneP
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    From Limerick Post – 12/8/05

    Demolition of St Mary’s Park?

    Marie Hobbins
    A LOCAL councillor’s claim that the 450 houses in St Mary’s Park will be demolished to make way for a new housing estate has been rubbished by Defence Minister, Willie O’Dea. He told the Limerick Post on Wednesday that such a plan is “definitely not on the Government’s agenda”.

    But Cllr John Gilligan categorically states that demolition of the houses, built in the 1930s, will proceed as part of a major regeneration plan for St Mary’s Park.

    Confirming that a study has been prepared for the regeneration of St Mary’s Park, Noeleen Ryan, co-ordinator for the RAPID (Revitalising Areas by Planning Investment and Development) Programme for the inner city said: “This has gone to the Department of the Environment for approval but the Government has told us that we will get regeneration. In order to secure this we have to put a strategy in place to cover all aspects of the area – social, economic, environmental, educational, etc as the plan is to regenerate and lift the entire area.

    “A project manager will be appointed and a company formed – all the relevant agencies will have an impact, not just the local authority,” she said.

    Part of the regeneration plan would be the construction of another road into St Mary’s Park and the development of new business to create employment in the area.

    “The study has to go before Cabinet as capital funding will be required,” informs Ms Ryan

    Minister O’Dea has emphatically dismissed any demolition plan for the housing estate and the Council’s Housing Committee member, Cllr Joe Leddin contends that it does not make sense that with millions recently invested in installing new windows and doors in the St Mary’s Park houses and a planned programme of central heating installation due to commence soon, that demolition of the houses is on the cards.

    “These houses are not lined up for demolition – it would be nonsense to have put new doors and windows at such a huge cost into the houses, not to mention the central heating that is due to go in and two years later demolish them,” he said.

    A contradictory view from Ms Ryan is that the central heating programme will commence in Lee Estate but will not progress to St Mary’s Park.

    Adamant that demolition is very much on the agenda, Cllr Gilligan said: “The houses involved, built in the 1930s, are mass concrete – their life span is well past. Why shouldn’t they be demolished – it happened in Ballymun which was only built in the 1960s.”

    Pointing out that the often maligned RAPID Programme is at last beginning to yield results, the councillor said that money is now being released for various new projects for King’s Island.

    “We’re getting 900,000 euro for a new creche in St Mary’s Park, 120,000 euro for the Widows Alms Houses,27,000 euro for a roof to the Star Rovers Club, 40,000 to rail off their pitch and 50,000 for an all-weather pitch for the club. There’s also been tens of thousands invested in the refurbishment of local schools. Money is being released but I’m looking forward to the big one, the regeneration of St Mary’s Park.”

    The Department of the Environment was not in a position to comment on the issue at the time of going to press.

    ShaneP
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    From LImerick Leader, May 28, 2005 –

    20 Years Ago

    AN POST STORM BREAKS OVER MAGIC GARDENS

    CONTROVERSY raged in Limerick this week as workmen moved in to begin the construction of a £1 million sorting office for An Post at the once famous Roches Hanging Gardens in Henry Street.

    An Post have been accused of “sheer vandalism” as they intend knocking down most of the existing building, which they own.

    But postmaster Bill Marnane pointed out that they had contacted An Taisce and other interested groups who had no objection to the new office going ahead.

    Referring to the plans for the new sorting office on the 800 square foot site, he explained that the existing facade was being kept intact as was the stone spiral staircase and the first archway.

    However, Captain Frank Parker, president of Thomond Archaeology Society, told the Limerick Leader that they would like to see what remains of Roches Hanging Gardens preserved in its entirety.

    “A substantial part of the original vaulting which supports the terraces is still intact and any scheme for the redevelopment of the property now occupied by the Post Office should provide for the preservation of this vaulting as well as the facade,” he added.

    Seamus î Cinneide, the Limerick antiquarian, is this Saturday bringing a group of archaeologists and historians from all over the country on a tour of the city, including Roches Hanging Garden.

    Mr î Cinneide said that An Post should be stopped from demolishing any of the building. Such action would be “sheer vandalism”.

    Mr î Cinneide said that the gardens were built in 1808 by William Roche, a Limerick banker, to the rear of his residence at 99 George’s Street – now O’Connell Street.

    They were on top of a series of arches which varied from 45 feet to 25 feet high. By means of glass houses, heated by ingenious flues, Roche grew exotic fruits like oranges, grapes and pineapples in one of the gardens.

    The garden cost Roche £15,000 to build. Their high position afforded him magnificent views of the Shannon and Clare hills.

    Although his fellow citizens nicknamed the gardens ‘Roche’s Folly’, Roche was a shrewd businessman.

    He profitably sold the vaults underneath the supporting arches to the Revenue Commissioners as a bonded stores for £10,000 and an annual rent of £300.

    During the emergency, the Department of Defence, singled out the building as an ideal air raid shelter.

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