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Any development which occurs on Patricks Quay would be welcomed by me. At the moment it is nothing more than a “higgledy piggeldy” mess. The varied building heights fronting the quay look, to me, like someone who has had their 2 front teeth knocked out. Then there is the awful yellow block which is the metropole! Hopefully we will see something to redeem the area and revitalise the quay!
The portacabin on patricks st. is supposed to be only a temporary measure. I heard that the old bus conductors cabin is being restored and will be repositioned on the street in the future.
I’d make the same assumption about that swedish retailer locating in either of these sites but I am also interested in the properties which have become vacant on Patricks st. The lease is for sale in the old pound city store and the lease has been sold in the carphone warehouse outlet. Also the newsagents across from merchants quay “the Favourite” appears to undergoing extensive reconstruction. These units may not have a large enought floor plate for the retailer mentioned above but might we see more international chains getting onto Patricks st. I know footlocker anounced a major expansion into the Irish market and so too did Starbucks.
I noticed that the carphone warehouse outlet next to Roches stores has a deal agreed notice on it? I wonder who will take over the lease?
I am happy to hear that the days of the present Jurys Hotel are numbered! It is horrible! Does anyone remember when it was painted pink?
I’m really starting to get worried about that 9story block of student accomodation going up in Victoria mills! I think its goina look awful! Maybe when the scaffolding comes down and when we will be able to get a holistic vista it might be okay!I think the development at Sharman Crawford St is fantastic! From the renderings it looks as if it will make a great contribution to the aesthetic quality of the area. Also it takes advantage of its riverside location by providing open space in the form of a mini boardwalk.
The work on the Oriel house hotel is due to be completed in 2005 and it will bring the hotel to a four star standard with a leisure centre part of the development.
I think Lidl have been rejected for planning permission on the site you refered to, across from the White Horse. So the hotel plan is obviously gone out the window.
The site that Ben Dunne wants to build his fitness centre is on the vacant site across from teh Flor Griffin Store. There were rumours that this site was originally supposed to play host to a childrens playground ( There currently isn’t any in the town with a pop. in excess of 16,000 people) But maybe the council thought Ben Dunnes proposal too good to refuse
I was unaware that the overall scale of the retail aspect was to have been the same in the previous proposal. Then I would have to agree with you that it would have been beneficial to the street. I just got the wrong impression from the original proposal that the retail aspect would give us something similar to the savoy centre, with small retail units. That was why I was happier to hear of the overall scale of the retail aspect. 120,000 sq ft I’m trying to picture this size and I think thats double the size of the new tesco store in Wilton. These larger floor plates are exactly what we need in Cork and the rest of the Irish cities to attract the big name retailers.
H+M are opening a store in Dundrum town centre. So at least they are making their first inroads into the Irish market.On another note, work on Oliver Plunket street is progressing well. Passing through today I could already get a feel for what the street will be like when finished. In the design there was another interesting design for the street lighting. No progress has been made on this front but I am looking forward to seeing them. I just remember talk about them as being able to change colour and being vandle proof. I wonder will they cause as much controversy as the ones on patrick st. Prob not!
Although I haven’t seen the proposed new development for the the Guy and Co. Site, I am aware of the incresed retail aspect in comparison with the previous proposal. I agree with the decison of CCC to reject the aplication for a hotel on the site. This site is instrumental in the revitalisation of the street and I think Higher order retail uses would bring a greater footfall than a hotel in the area.
In the local press in the recent past, Habitat were said to be looking at a number of sites in the city, one in particular the old church site which is connected to the guy and co. site.
Speaking of Heitons I don’t know why they haven’t located on North Main st. Like buy that awful Leaders shop. Its a disgrace that they can have two rundown shop fronts on such an important street. I really can’t inderstand it.
If you think of the retailers which are currently expanding in Ireland you might be able to guess some of the names which could pop up on the Coalquay.
House of Fraiser are opening in Dundrum, a similar sized store. Also when Arrnots was brought private there was talk about another store outside the capital, belfast or cork were mentioned.
THen there is John Lewis which is opening soon in N. Ireland.
Other retailer which I’m just guessing could be interested could be Tk Maxx (already located in Limerick) H+M, Zara and the other inditex chains.
Also tHe carphone warehouse is going to stop trading out of its unit next to roches stores on Patrick street. Big name fashion retailers are rumoured to be looking at the site.ah can’t you give us just a hint of the names that you have heard that are looking at cornmarket st. A really subltle one that those “nice but dim” people in the local press won’t get and can’t write as their own.
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Just like to say that your insight into development in Cork City is greatly appreciated by information hungry people like myself.I agree with Lexington who says that the picture shown of the lights on Patricks st. is unflatering. Also the fact that it looks like a dull november day isn’t doing it any favours either.
Actually I really like the lights. Firstly they are unusual and their uniqueness befits the main street of the city. Secondly they provide a reference point to the herritage of the city. The architect Beth Gali spoke about the the images she encountered when she visited Cork, and the most striking aspect was the masts of the ships and boats in the docks. These lights are a reflection of this image. Living in a region with the second largest natural harbour in the world and where the sea has had such a major influence on the development of the city I commend the architect for including a reference to this in her design.
The change on Patricks St. has been drastic and it has been transformed from a stretch of traffic choked, cracked pavement to a fantastic public open space.
If the designers of the the O’ Connell st redevelopment achieve even half what Beth Gali has done to Patricks St. they will have done a very good job!Wake up and educate yourself about the world and broaden them narrow little minds of yours.
You appear to be the narrow minded one who doesn’t know his ass from his elbow in terms of the concept of metropolis.
Definitions of metropolis on the Web:
a large and densely populated urban area; may include several independent administrative districts; “Ancient Troy was a great city”
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwnpeople living in a large densely populated municipality; “the city voted for Republicans in 1994”
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwnThe capital of a country.
http://www.dreamghar.com/mdic.htmlA distinguished Los Alamos scientist whose name is associated with a particular importance sampling (optimized choice of points) approach to Monte Carlo methods aimed at statistical physics problems.
http://www.npac.syr.edu/users/gcf/sccs757/node10.htmlOne or more central cities and their surrounding suburbs that dominate the economic and cultural life of a region.
http://www.sociologyinourtimes_2nded.nelson.com/glossary4.htmlThe central city of a country or region or area, whether large or small (from the Greek for “mother city”).
http://www.retta.org/study/word-day.htmlargest town or urban agglomeration in a region or country
Yes I was thinking along the same lines, because I knew how Marks and Spencer had wanted to locate at Mahon Point. I was also thinking about Superquinn but I don’t think they have much intent on entering the Cork Market at the moment.
Lexington, I hope what you heard about marks and spencer becoming an anchor in Ballincollig will become a reality. I heard rumours Tesco where in line for the food anchor. I’m all for competition in the retail sector but we need variety. tesco are represented in almost every major retail development at the moment e.g. Mahon point, Dundrum Town centre, Clare Hall, Redevelopment of Wilton. Please not another Tesco in Ballincollig!
The mere mention of Sagrada Familia makes me shudder. I saw it recently n all I can say is it looks Gawdy! Sorry I drove my friends crazy wit dat one when we were there! As for the Watergold building I don’t know wat I think of the building itself but its surrounded by a bloody car park. Did the architect ever consider outdoor space? I know it rains a lot but when de sun does shine like where are the residents supposed to go. I suppose they could sit on the outdoor picnic tables in the mc donalds next door, with their super size meals, and consider the thought that a generic fast food outlet has more open space than there “upmarket” apartments.
If they built the carpark underground and created open space for residents and perhaps some commercial aspect seems as it is the centre of douglas.
I think developers hav made a mess of Douglas anyway!Yea I noticed that digusting sticky brown residue on the ground too. U can also see it on the square stones to sit on? I’m not a geologist but might it be coming from the granite used?
Its strange that another planning application lodged by lidl has been refused. They also applied for permission for a development in Ballincollig West ( across from the L+N or Super Valu as its now called) Is this a concentrated effort to keep Lidl from gaining a strong foothold in the Cork area or as I believe a testement to the poor quality of design which Lidl employs for its stores.
Hopefully Local authorities are realising the impact these generic, utilitarian stores are having on towns throughout Ireland. Perhaps as a result Lidl will rethink their strategy and develop a higher quality mixed use development to serve as a sustainable neighbourhood centre. With such a strong name as an anchor in a scheme such as this I don’t see how such development would not yield a good investment return.
Aldi have lodged planning permisson for such a development on the former John A. Woods site in Ballincollig. Why can’t Lidl do the same elsewhere?Luckly the snail pace of developement which persists in the city centre is not occuring in other areas of the county. For example O’ Flynn’s town centre development in Ballincollig is progressing at a swift pace, or at least it appears to be. The first tower crane went up today on the site. Already the steel framed construction of the shopping centre is visible from main street. Also, after visiting the information office located on site and viewing the plan, I got an impression that what is being created in Ballincollig will serve to better Ballincollig by creating a modern town centre in an area which before I would regard as nothing more than a glorified patch of linear sprawl development. I hope it will be a success and if it is, perhaps it will serve as an good step forward for the development of the cork metropolitan area as a whole. We must face the fact that despite attempts by planners, which in an Irish and generally European context have been stringent, our cities are becoming decentred settlements with many centres. Then I ask why we are not paying more attention to the development of these centres as viable sustainable areas, which can compliment the city centre. Death to the semi and all things suburbia!
I am so annoyed to hear An Taisce has thrown another spanner in de works for development in Cork City. Their objection to the the Water St. development is yet another delay in the creation of a vibrant sustainable new urban quarter in Cork City. I’m sick of living in a city full of run down reminants of its past. It needs to shake off the hangover caused by industrial decline and move foward as a modern European city with a built environment to reflect this!
