samuel j

Had noticed the recess, presumably done to fit the esb box….daft…. the tail wagging the dog…… do any of our learned Conservation Departments seek out info. on how such matters are handled elsewhere…. a simple web search these days would even give you or I much data…..

What was under the carpet as whats there now seems like the best offering from the spring sales of Tiles-r-Us

@lawyer wrote:

Piece on the ‘Irish Examiner’ during the week from the Cork County Council advising that the traffic lights were only a temporary measure while the proposals for the split level crossing were being finalised.

I see…… seems to concur with stories of Amgen gone..gone so to speak…so Council now have no choice… I’ve started so I’ll finish… situation as work was well advanced so some format of a finish has to be done.

Think Chris right… we won’t be hearing much about this for a while…. a shame…. the jobs were needed..

at last…. search engine playing tricks though…. not picking up everything on a case that the old one did…probably just teething probs

@Spinal Tap wrote:

Looking at Planning Files the litany of spurious serial objectors the term “Professional Help” certainly spring to mind everytime one describes anything over 3-storys “Manhattan” style development in an open planning process – The Evening Echo here is equally guilty as any new proposal for Cork / Docklands is described in similar terms. If its not a rare bird or plant that suddenly comes to attention and needs protection in the City Centre to the detriment of the majority of the citizens for roads,infrastructure,buildings etc.

The planners and the system are not completly stupid you know.

BTW Manhattan is a fantastic place.

Yes the serial objector is indeed a glitch in the system and undoubtedly a huge time loss etc., but I guess such is their right.
Know well some of the beauties some anti groups come up with and again time and money spent investigating etc. may well be used elsewhere but again I guess such it their right.

“The planners and the system are not completly stupid you know.” – of course not but it is inconsistency that gets many a Joe Bloggs up in arms. When I say inconsistency I mean the apparent lack of a level playing field for those applying for planning. I know numerous examples of one off applications, in most cases individuals who are made jump through hoops and conditions to get the planning they require. And thats fine and most will accept that but 1 or 2 years later, a developer comes along with say 3+ houses and upwards and its like all the conditions, levels, proximities do not apply at all. Rushbrooke by the way if full of such cases….
Its what people see around them happening that then cause the Manhattan effect… which I agree is a fantastic place.
People get very annoyed when they themsevles have been through the planning process and willingly spent time and money getting it right but to then see developments popping up in and around locality where everything they adherred to, just does not seem to come into question. This gets um out as they say and can produce some nuggets on rare plants, birds and even transform your average Joe into the dreaded serial objector…. its just frustration.

Amgen – heard from more sources at weekend, they gone alright and plan now is to develop to site and infrastructure to try to draw others there…albeit on smaller scale… might explain the latest traffic light plan…
mad have they not learned anything from other countries or indeed dublins Naas road..traffic lights on such a road a receipe for motors accidents…

@THE_Chris wrote:

Hmmmm. I remember this was all supposed to be upgraded to overpasses, but now that Amgen have put the date back I dunno. Traffic lights there would be daft beyond belief. Just put the overpasses in plz.

word on street is that Amgen gone gone…… might explain the traffic light option…

Maybe I’m wrong but word from many in the industry despite pre election propaganda.. amgen alot more than a put back date…. if anyone has better news would love to hear it..

@PTB wrote:

Yeah, I remember when a dutch submarine pulled up there about 18 months ago. I asked if I could board and have a look around, but to no avail.

Does that bridge look like a Shinto gate after collapsing to anyone?

It does……:D

Sub – probably above top secret…….:D 😀 or so they want to believe… nah maybe just their tea time…:p

@THE_Chris wrote:

You gotta have a new bridge there somewhere…… but it has to be risable or rotating etc. Not a huge number of ships come up there anyway, but they have to keep the waterway open in this way.

Once Port of Cork, move essentially all commercial traffic will move to Ringaskiddy, vessels loading/discharging will not need to go upriver so far.

However one still may get smaller Cruise vessels, courtesy visits by Naval vessels, training ships etc. so
would think that there will always be some need to gain access to these section of quay where one has
deep/usuable berths.

Take the Toll Bridge in Dublin, the bulk of traffic is down river on Alexandra Road etc. but you still do see a small amount of traffic going upriver, be they masted pleasure craft or anything with the airdraught that neccessiates a bridge lift.

In longterm for the city, albeit for more Tourism related traffic it would be unwise to have the Cork upriver quays un-navigable.

Hope they get to actually read the 13 submissions…unlike some Councils….

Combine all that with madcap schemes by certain Bishops to waste time and peoples hard earned money and you alienate even those with Religious literacy…. not the way to go…….