Rory W
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“The Irish-based expert, who agreed to talk solely on the basis that his name would not be revealed, is a planning and engineering consultant with a significant background in the forward planning of major sports infrastructure. He has followed the stadium saga since its infancy and is well versed in all aspects of the debate.”
If this unamed source is as qualified as he says he is then (in my humble opinion) he is surely working for Magahy and Co on sports campus Ireland, surely they employ the most qualified people to do the job – such as Irish based experts.
I believe that Clonmel house on Harcourt Street (now looking slightly neglected – it’s the one with Saagar Indian Restraunt in the Basement) had a tunnel under the street and across to the Iveagh Gardens (part of which was once the Clonmel House Gardens). Just an interesting one to note
Ah it’s not the worst – why they made them do this was that the original developer of the site illegally pulled down the old grammar school but wasn’t allowed to build anything on the site which wasn’t some kind of a reproduction of the original building. It is at least an attempt, Drogheda’s record on preservation is shaky at best, but this new development (Part of the St Lawrences centre) is welcome in Drogheda – a town which is currently dying on it’s arse for lack of shopping development (a hideous Dunnes and Tesco on West Street and the Drogheda Town Centre which must have looked great in about 1985). Drogheda is probably the fastest growing town in Ireland (or suburb of Dublin – I get letters addressed to me as Drogheda, Co Dublin) and needs facilities to cope with this fact.
Yes it’s pastiche, but the developer wasn’t allowed get away with tearing down the building and replacing it with what was originally proposed (i.e. bland 1991 crap) at least this building is somewhat smypathetic to its surroundings
As an ex iFSC resident – I am now jelous that there is an M&S Simply food shop down there now – All that walking to Henry street to buy stuff, grr.
Correct that it shouldn’t be in Stack A but it’s in the right location on excise walk, and it’s a million miles away from Spar and their range of crap. Nowt wrong with Aldi/lidl though
Thanks goodness for that – I was getting worried about that particular issue. Mind you If you want to talk abou bias (a bias towards stupidity?) why not have started the Ballymun/airport line whilst Ballymun has the guts ripped out of it rather than waiting indefinitely
Two interesting things
1 – the Luas stop outside the Odeon (old Harcourt Street Station) is getting actual individual cobble-lock between the rails whereas the Abbey St Station (for example) is getting printed concrete. Southside bias?
2 – Isn’t it interesting how the pavement has been finished outside The Sunday Business Post Office and The Origin gallery on Harcourt Street (and nowhere else on the street) given that these were the most vocal complainers about the Luas – a case of he who shouts loudest eh?
btw, here is my temple bar comment: they wanted SoHo and got Soho, did I just make that up or has someone said it before?
Good one – haven’t heard that one before
I just looks like a refurb of one of the present towers with something of interest around the base. Have to see more detail in it but apart from the ground level I have to say its disappointing
Wow – this must be the biggest “handbags at dawn” thread ever. Wonderful to read the contrasting wit, reason, sarcasm, profanity, generalisation and personal abuse as the one piece. Well done to all concerned!
Hey alan d – they have opened an Italian Wine bar in the Quatier Bloom, that would be a pretty nifty place to sit out in the courtyard of on a summers day for a decent glass of wine!
And as for the tiles on the main platforms in Connolly – once a bit of rain gets on them they are absolutely lethal – you think they would have gone for non slip ones.
I too have a faint fondness for the old B&W tiles – ahh nostalgia
Mall Mart is well gone at this stage – they are working on foundations now – anyone know whats going in there
Putting the Leinster game in Lansdowne was a big mistake for the following reasons (1) Donnybrook works best on a Friday night – perfect for going somewhere between the office and home (2) people knew Lansdowne would have bugger all atmosphere and stayed away (3) tournament has not generated interest to date – first game and all that and (4) it’s not the same weather that we had in April for the finals.
But could you imagine it in an 80,000 seater – all that would be missing is the tumbleweed
True there is a high concentration of rugby fans in Limerick but it is not true to say that the majority are based there.
It is easier for someone coming from outside Dublin to get to Dublin than it is to get to Limerick since all major roads do lead to Dublin. For example I commute to the Games from Drogheda and meet fans coming from Belfast on the Enterprise to see the game – and shock horror we walk from Connolly Station to Lansdowne Road.
Going to a game is not just about attending the actual match – its more than just that, there is the build up and the post game wind down. Fans from England, Scotland, Wales France and Italy all love the Lansdowne walk to and from the game. Irish fans do to.
Would the GAA abandon Croke Park for the inconvenience of its location – I think not. They have pride in ‘headquarters’.
The fact that Lansdowne is a 20 minute walk from St Stephen’s green means that anyone who can commute to the city centre (Where all routes lead anyway) can get to Lansdowne in a short time.
Atmosphere – what people love about Lansdowne is the fact you can have a few pints before or after the game, in one of many fine establishments and walk your way into town for a meal/night out afterwards – what facility is there for this in Abbotstown – nothing.
Lansdowne Road is also the worlds oldest International rugby ground – let’s keep this record going.
Redevelop the ground – allow for an expanded Dart Station and underpasses. Don’t just keep thinking of the economic value of the site – think of the history and the place it holds in peoples hearts.
Building the stadium in Abbotstown will make going to the game purely functional and soul less – it’s like comparing shopping in Liffey Valley with shopping in the city. One is a bland but worthy, devoid of character but convenient – the other is what gives us our soul, the quirks, the slight inconvenience but its ours, it deserves to be at Lansdowne.
Though according to today’s Times the stadium at Lansdowne will be along the lines of the Hong Kong Rugby Stadium (Which looks quite good by the Pics in the sports section – sorry cannot post pics) and is 500,00 seater. It’ll be a u shaped job by the looks of it with a small stand at one end and a fuller one at the other whilst maintaining the same North-South alignment, and wont rise higher than anything currently on site at present (so there goes that objection)
The Luas has greater frequency than the dart every 3 mins at peak which is at least 5 times the frequency of Dart (I’m a commuter I know these things) which has to share mainlines and each 40 metre unit has a capacity of 250 (I think) as opposed to 800 for a Dart
So 250×5 = 1250
1250 greater than 800
REAL!
“It travels for 3-4 kms without servicing anything other than the hard shoulder of the M50”
And why does it do this – because the locals didnt want it running through Kingswood estate – same with the reason it runs doen the canal and not through Inchicore – the locals objected. If it doesn’t serve these people they have no-one to blame but themselves for objecting in the first place.
